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About Jacory not being a heisman winner?
That's not even the best thing to quote me on. Quote me on Tyrod killing UM this year.
'09 COLLEGE FOOTBALL OFF-SEASON THREAD-recruiting/Coaching Changes/Transfers
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That's not even the best thing to quote me on. Quote me on Tyrod killing UM this year.
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Pretty sure that was Duke's homecoming.
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Scandal after scandal, when will hammer fall on Trojans?
| July 30, 2009 By Dennis Dodd CBSSports.com Senior Writer Tell Dennis your opinion! | |
| LOS ANGELES -- It's been since 2005 that Reggie Bush played at USC. More than three years since Yahoo! Sports blew the roof off the sucker with the report that Bush accepted cash and benefits worth $300,000 from some would-be agents. Fifteen months since an investigation of basketball star O.J. Mayo was made public. Two-and-half months since it was reported the basketball coach slipped Mayo $1,000. Fifty days since that alleged greaser of the palm, Tim Floyd, resigned. Admit it, when you heard Thursday that the football program had perhaps committed an NCAA violation in the midst of all this, you were floored. You had to be. This can't be happening again, can it? The Los Angeles Times reported that Pete Carroll might have violated rules by using former NFL assistant Pete Rodriguez as a consultant. Carroll, speaking at the Pac-10 media days on Thursday, said the issue was cleared through the compliance department and was not a violation. That's a relief. Would this be the same compliance department that passed Mayo and his entourage through the hallowed gates of USC? Was that the compliance department that slept while receiver DeWayne Jarrett literally slept -- in an apartment he shared with Matt Leinart that was partially paid for by Leinart's dad? Or maybe we're being too harsh on the compliance folks as they pass through this mushrooming mess. All they're supposed to do is their jobs -- keep watch on the athletic department and make sure no one breaks NCAA rules. But they have a boss, too. • Dodd: Five things about the Pac-10 | USC picked to win If you want accountability, try asking AD Mike Garrett what's up. You can try, but the closest you'll get to him is a taped statement from early June. That's how Garrett reacted when he was criticized recently for not being proactive in the investigations. "We have no idea how long these investigations are going to continue," senior vice president for administration Todd Dickey said last month. That's all we have 39 months after Yahoo broke the Bush story. Now the FBI is involved along with the NCAA and Pac-10. The football and basketball cases have been bundled making a lack of institutional control finding more likely. Meanwhile, Troy is burning. It is starting to look like Oklahoma in the 80s or Alabama anytime. Message boards are filled with a fundamental question: When is USC going to be punished? "Has it been only three years?" Carroll said of the Bush investigation. "It's been a long time." Actually, it seems like it is approaching some sort of record for NCAA investigation longevity. Or maybe there is so much dirt that the association needs time to process all of it. There's still a lawsuit hanging over Bush. The key subjects -- Bush and Mayo -- aren't compelled to talk. What's most likely to happen is the NCAA is waiting for some courtroom or another to spew forth the gory details. While the clock ticks, there is a wide perception that USC is getting some kind of preferential treatment. There's some messy stuff here. If it is found that Bush competed while ineligible, the Heisman and BCS folks might have to start thinking about taking back some hardware. "He's a player who is just out there playing the game," Stanford running back Toby Gerhart said at the media days. "OK, he took the money but I wouldn't be like, 'He can't play. We're going to protest this game.'" Bush is admired by many, not just Gerhart. There is the question of how all this would impact his legacy as well as his coach's. Even after the loss of eight NFL Draft picks Carroll is favored to go to his eighth consecutive BCS bowl. At that rate, you wonder who is going to get the Trojans first, the NCAA's investigative team or a Pac-10 team. "[Bush took] $300,000 and he feels no ramifications?" Arizona State linebacker Mike Nixon said at the media day. "It's like steroids in baseball. You do it until you get caught." Nixon knows a little something about accountability, maturity and both sports. He spent four years in the minors and will be 26 when the season kicks off in September. "I think they should treat it like they would at any other school," he said. At the least, compliance has done a horrible job of overseeing football. Garrett is perceived as one of the emptiest suits in big-time college sports. He got lucky in hiring Carroll nine years ago. Mike Bellotti, Dennis Erickson and Mike Riley rejected overtures. Carroll was a third or fourth choice. It worked, gloriously, but look where Tim Floyd got him. Kevin O'Neill, Floyd's replacement, was praised by Garrett for being "available." That's going to look good in the press guide. Kevin O'Neill, one of the most available coaches in college basketball, comes to USC to rebuild the tradition ... When you're stuck in investigative traffic like this, you don't wait for the light to change. You hold a come-to-Jesus meeting with the entire athletic department twice a week reminding everyone to stay clean. You plead. You scream. You yell. You threaten coaches with their jobs if there is one more transgression. You don't put out videos that are archived on YouTube. The Rodriguez thing looks to be minor, a secondary violation at worst. A person with knowledge of the NCAA process told CBSSports.com that the severity of any possible violation will be determined, in part, by who knew, who approved it and how long Rodriguez worked with the team. The same person said, considering USC is already under investigation, this incident could give the NCAA reason to look deeper into the program for a pattern of violations. "The Reggie Bush stuff is really not topical," Carroll said Thursday. "We don't hear anything about it. We did all our contributing a long, long time ago." How long as it been for USC? Long enough for the Trojans to lose twice to Oregon State. Long enough for the Pac-10 to change commissioners and still be dealing with it. Larry Scott took over for Tom Hansen at the beginning of the month. "I'm inheriting something that's in progress," Scott said. Way in progress. |
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On him having a long way to go before becoming a good QB. He puts up at least 3 passing TD's on y'all 3rd game of season. Is that a long enough way foryou? VT is one of the least scary teams on our schedule. Thursday NT on national tv? C'mon. Chokies don't have it in their hearts to win a big game. Webeat y'all last year w/ your season on the line. (Even though u still somehow managed to weasel into the ACC champ game) We shut down Tyrod the past 2years, that scrub Marcus Vick before him for 2 years, and that other scrub mobile QB you had before baby Vick. C'mon now.
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I'm not a VT fan.
Last year was a rebuilding year for VT and they still won the ACC and a BCS game What does that say?
Tyrod won't be the same passer he was in the past. I stand by my statement and if I'm wrong I'll be back here so you can throw it back in my face.
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Last year wasn't no damn rebuilding year for them. Rebuild from what? They're a mediocre team compared to the rest of the country. Have been since Mikeleft. The ACC is just garbage. They've just managed to be slightly better than all these other ACC teams over the past few seasons....but that doesn'tmake them an elite team.
I'm not even gonna say i told you say when we shut them down. I'm not worried about VT at all. Especially with Tyrod at QB
I'm not even gonna say i told you say when we shut them down. I'm not worried about VT at all. Especially with Tyrod at QB
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Rebuilding from being an onside kick recovery away from playing in the national championship. We were third in the final regular season BCSrankings and had eight players drafted. You don't remember that? Oh wait, you were too busy going 5-7 and getting your **% handed to you in Lane.
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Off the top of my head they lost Brandon Flowers, Xavier Adibi, Brandon Ore, Eddie Royal, Josh Morgan. They lost a couple more receivers, anotherLB and a few good DL.
That's a lot of talent to lose and still win a BCS game is damn impressive even if it was the ACC.
You aren't worried about VT
Miami was been nothing but average since Randy took over. You are playing the most talented in the ACC in one of the toughest places to play and youaren't worried? Cane arrogance I guess. If UF played VT I'd be worried and we all know how much better UF is than UM.
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Didn't VT play w/ 4 frosh recivers last year?
And a frosh running back was their main ball carrier?
I'd say that's some rebuilding for your *@%
And a frosh running back was their main ball carrier?
I'd say that's some rebuilding for your *@%
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Gunna we have none of yahoo
thats how pathetic we are.
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Originally Posted by KingJames23
Off the top of my head they lost Brandon Flowers, Xavier Adibi, Brandon Ore, Eddie Royal, Josh Morgan. They lost a couple more receivers, another LB and a few good DL.
That's a lot of talent to lose and still win a BCS game is damn impressive even if it was the ACC.
You aren't worried about VT
Miami was been nothing but average since Randy took over. You are playing the most talented in the ACC in one of the toughest places to play and you aren't worried? Cane arrogance I guess. If UF played VT I'd be worried and we all know how much better UF is than UM.
VT won the ACC. It's not like they were starting from scratch. USC loses players every year to the draft and they don't go into a rebuilding phasephase every year. They plug in new players and move on. VT did the same, doesn't mean they were re-building. And 12-13 is not average. It's horrible.But we're still gonna handle VT.
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Tyrod won't be the same passer he was in the past. I stand by my statement and if I'm wrong I'll be back here so you can throw it back in my face
this dude
Have you seen anything to make you think that? or is it just your hate for the U
You can make the case that Tyrod aint even top 5 in the ACC
and if VT was rebuilding last year what the hell were we doing?
Do you think last year was the typical Miami squad?
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2008 7-6
2007 5-7
2006 7-6
according to your last 3 yrs, [dennis green]you are who we thought you were [/dennis green]
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Why just count the last 3 years?
If you goin bring history into this why not bring up the 83, 87, 89, 91 and 01 championships?
Yeah and im sure every year Miami plays like 12 true freshman at QB, WR, DT, and LB
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History? U wanna bring up the 1940s too? How far u wanna go back? u wanan include the yrs before Howard Schnellenberger too?
Recent history is what your team is right now, correct? matter of fact, some of the same kids on this yrs team were on the last 3 pretty mediocre teamscorrect?
so UM isnt a mediocre football team right now? they havent been that for 3 yrs running?
this is the problem with Alotta UM fans, they cant get around the fact that they ARENT the 01 Nat'l Title team. yall are damn near 10 yrs removed fromthat.
some of yall need a reality check.
for the last 3 yrs yall are a .500 team couple that with the fact yall play in an overall SORRY conference and it looks EVEN WORSE.
at least the Florida State Fans know they are a bad football team, UM guys can have reality slap them in the face week after week and yell "HOW CAN YOUSLAP!"
Recent history is what your team is right now, correct? matter of fact, some of the same kids on this yrs team were on the last 3 pretty mediocre teamscorrect?
so UM isnt a mediocre football team right now? they havent been that for 3 yrs running?
this is the problem with Alotta UM fans, they cant get around the fact that they ARENT the 01 Nat'l Title team. yall are damn near 10 yrs removed fromthat.
some of yall need a reality check.
for the last 3 yrs yall are a .500 team couple that with the fact yall play in an overall SORRY conference and it looks EVEN WORSE.
at least the Florida State Fans know they are a bad football team, UM guys can have reality slap them in the face week after week and yell "HOW CAN YOUSLAP!"
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Don't sweat these N's lows. It's a U thing. They wouldn't understand.
http://photobucket.com/images/it%2527s a u thing
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If you goin bring history into this why not bring up the 83, 87, 89, 91 and 01 championships?
Its almost 2010 and dudes talkin about the 80's.
Im real close to puttin 'U' fans next to Lakers fans so yall may wanna tone it down.
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Originally Posted by Fear The Ibis
Originally Posted by KingJames23
Off the top of my head they lost Brandon Flowers, Xavier Adibi, Brandon Ore, Eddie Royal, Josh Morgan. They lost a couple more receivers, another LB and a few good DL.
That's a lot of talent to lose and still win a BCS game is damn impressive even if it was the ACC.
You aren't worried about VT
Miami was been nothing but average since Randy took over. You are playing the most talented in the ACC in one of the toughest places to play and you aren't worried? Cane arrogance I guess. If UF played VT I'd be worried and we all know how much better UF is than UM.
VT won the ACC. It's not like they were starting from scratch. USC loses players every year to the draft and they don't go into a rebuilding phase phase every year. They plug in new players and move on. VT did the same, doesn't mean they were re-building. And 12-13 is not average. It's horrible. But we're still gonna handle VT.
And to the dude talking about why I think Tyrod will be better: Tyrod spent the entire off season and spring reworking his throwing motion and improving hisfootwork. Better mechanics=better passer. Tyrod doesn't have to be Sam Bradford slinging it all over the field. If he can be an average passer VT willbe a very very good team.
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Fear The Ibis wrote:
It's a U thing. They wouldn't understand.
Word
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Season is right around the corner and y'all _'s are in mid season form already.
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Kill yourself.Originally Posted by CP1708
What if you're both?
