'09 COLLEGE FOOTBALL OFF-SEASON THREAD-recruiting/Coaching Changes/Transfers

[39478]

Originally Posted by Chester McFloppy

Not much, got banned for a week for calling some dudes mom a camel.

Halfway through the ban we lose BB to you guys.
Belotti hangs em up.
Blount might not play.

Could be an interesting year. Oh well, could be worse... at least we aren't Miami.

The biggest stories in Oregon Football, two of which were national stories as well

Vctry20 and I have been holding down the fort

 

[runshouse23]

Originally Posted by CP1708

Why didn't we retire 26 for good?

I think in this case it would have been warranted. Not only for what happened to him in the NFL, but his play at the U certainly deserved consideration to just put that number away.

There was an article talking about how Miami did the right there about not retiring ST's jersey.

I believe it was in the MH. Something along the lines of letting the number live through people that will deserve that number.

I believeit MIGHT have been Manny Navarro writing that story.

 

[dlo13]

...and just for Mr. Clark...

 

[exile on ivy st]

Brown said UO's spread won't prepare him for the NFL the way a pro style offense would, but I don't think the spread prevents players from goingany higher in the draft than they already would, in fact I'd be willing to argue that UO's offense might even showcase a player's athleticabilities to a greater extent than most programs. Stewart went #11 as a junior after one healthy season and Blount would have gone late 1st early 2nd if he hadcome out, and he was 2nd string and 2nd leading rusher on his own team this year. Bryce's logic is basically "I'm going top 3 regardless of whatoffense I'm in, I need to be thinking about how well I'll be able to perform as an NFL rookie"

I still call BS on a pro-style offense giving a running back, not a QB, THAT much of an edge in the NFL as opposed to a spread. I'd think that theprofessional level is such a big step up in competition anyway that regardless of what offense that running back was groomed in he'd have to adjust to thatlevel of talent. As it stands Steve Slaton didn't seem to face any serious problems in transitioning and I don't think that, based on his play, anyonein the Panthers organization thinks that Stewart won't be able to reach his max potential as a pro just because he played in the spread for 3 years.Oregon's RB coach has been in the program for 20 years, and if you asked him, I don't believe that he'd tell you that the way he coached Mo Morrisor Onterrio when UO ran a pro-style prepared those players any better for the pros than when he coached Stewart.

I would have believed him a lot more if he had just said "the SEC is the most popular conference in the nation and I'll be on primetime televisionevery weekend there".

 

[vctry20]

Originally Posted by dr funk 13

Originally Posted by Chester McFloppy

Not much, got banned for a week for calling some dudes mom a camel.

Halfway through the ban we lose BB to you guys.
Belotti hangs em up.
Blount might not play.

Could be an interesting year. Oh well, could be worse... at least we aren't Miami.

The biggest stories in Oregon Football, two of which were national stories as well

Vctry20 and I have been holding down the fort

Yeah but we aren't half as funny

banned for a week for calling some dudes mom a camel.
case and point

 

[theone2401]

Originally Posted by Exile On Ivy St

Brown said UO's spread won't prepare him for the NFL the way a pro style offense would, but I don't think the spread prevents players from going any higher in the draft than they already would, in fact I'd be willing to argue that UO's offense might even showcase a player's athletic abilities to a greater extent than most programs. Stewart went #11 as a junior after one healthy season and Blount would have gone late 1st early 2nd if he had come out, and he was 2nd string and 2nd leading rusher on his own team this year. Bryce's logic is basically "I'm going top 3 regardless of what offense I'm in, I need to be thinking about how well I'll be able to perform as an NFL rookie"

I still call BS on a pro-style offense giving a running back, not a QB, THAT much of an edge in the NFL as opposed to a spread. I'd think that the professional level is such a big step up in competition anyway that regardless of what offense that running back was groomed in he'd have to adjust to that level of talent. As it stands Steve Slaton didn't seem to face any serious problems in transitioning and I don't think that, based on his play, anyone in the Panthers organization thinks that Stewart won't be able to reach his max potential as a pro just because he played in the spread for 3 years. Oregon's RB coach has been in the program for 20 years, and if you asked him, I don't believe that he'd tell you that the way he coached Mo Morris or Onterrio when UO ran a pro-style prepared those players any better for the pros than when he coached Stewart.

I would have believed him a lot more if he had just said "the SEC is the most popular conference in the nation and I'll be on primetime television every weekend there".

I think it comes down the preference only, because any high level prospect should have all the skills to transition between a singleback spreadlook and a I back look. But if you like following a fullback and lining up deep then that is just what you like. Sounds like BS to me though

Stewart is not a really good example to support your point because, when I watched him at least, he always seemed like an I back to me. Slaton, yes he has toline up deep now but the blocking schemes are familiar to him. I dont think its a big issue unless you suck anyway but you just picked two bad examples

.

 

[vctry20]

Brown said UO's spread won't prepare him for the NFL the way a pro style offense would
he should ask Jonathan "FA" Stewart how that's working out for him

 

[bigmike23]

Originally Posted by vctry20

Brown said UO's spread won't prepare him for the NFL the way a pro style offense would

he should ask Jonathan "FA" Stewart how that's working out for him


thats one RB out of the spread offense, can u name anymore?

Blount would have gone late 1st early 2nd if he had come out, and he was 2nd string and 2nd leading rusher on his own team this year
LOL

 

[ericberry14]

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

Originally Posted by vctry20

Brown said UO's spread won't prepare him for the NFL the way a pro style offense would

he should ask Jonathan "FA" Stewart how that's working out for him

thats one RB out of the spread offense, can u name anymore?



Steve Slaton... cant think of anyone else besides them two

 

[jville819]

So i'm chilling here procrastinating on some HW playing NCAA and decided to play with WVU and just remembered about the backyard brawl from a couple yearsago.

How these dudes couldn't beat the +@@*$+! panthers still blows my mind. You got Pat and Steve. Even though Pat went out with an injury i think? Pitt was+@@*$+! terrible.

I mean you had 1 game to win against a %!#% opponent and you'd be playing in a NC yet somehow you blow it. I think they woulda ran all over OSU and Patwoulda had a field day against that D

They had a helluva 3 year run tho

 

[vctry20]

Originally Posted by ericberry14

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

Originally Posted by vctry20

Brown said UO's spread won't prepare him for the NFL the way a pro style offense would

he should ask Jonathan "FA" Stewart how that's working out for him

thats one RB out of the spread offense, can u name anymore?

Steve Slaton... cant think of anyone else besides them two


Can you name any other spread schools that ran the ball out of the spread as much as those two? I agree that you don't see a lot of backscoming out spread schools to the league, however I don't believe that depends on their college offense they ran, I believe that depends on the back. Howmany running backs ran the ball as good as those two in the spread and failed in the league? I may be blanking right now but I can't think of any. I buythat argument for QBs, not running backs.

 

[gunna get it]

If first Aid played in a pro offense , he woulda been top 5 pick injury issues and all.

and Steve Slaton went what 3rd round so he definitely aint in the conversation about playin in pro offenses to raise your draft status for the NFL


there aint a spread option team in America who doesnt run the ball more than 50% of the time.

 

[vctry20]

I mean first and foremost I'm just calling shenanigans on that reasoning because I really don't think that was the deal breaker.

I do believe that a pro style offense may prep you a little better because your going to run more in between tackles following a blocker, but in the bigpicture I really don't think that matters. If you are going to play pro football, you're going to play no matter what offense you ran out of incollege, it's not like everybody is skeptical of spread running backs like they are QBs running out of the spread.

I don't know it's late and I've been studying for finals all day and I have the argument in my head but for some reason I can't put it intowords. I don't think there is enough evidence out there to say that running out of the spread won't help you make it into the league. I think ifanything it makes you look better because it put's the RB into space allowing them to showcase their speed.

Wasn't Steve Slaton knocked for his size and his inability to hang onto the ball too?

Side Note
I wonder if the fact that Steve Slaton was so successful last season is going to interest teams in Jeremiah Johnson, I was surprised when he got invited to thecombine, he's a pretty small guy, and hes fast, but I didn't think he was NFL fast. I used to sit behind him in astronomy and he was always YouTubingclips of himself and Facebook stalking random @%%+!#%. I wanted to tap him on the shoulder one day and be like, "hey man you should probably payattention to this stuff...you know...just incase

."

I never did though because he sat to TJ Ward and that dude is scary lookin in person

 

[gunna get it]

in the NFL, how many times are RBs running in space?

thats why running out of a pro set best showcases their skills for the NFL.

It does matter to NFL scouts.

It the same reason Wishbone RBs arent selected early in the drafts

Yall kiddingyourselves if u dont think looking towards the NFL wasnt one of the main reasons BB chose Tennessee.

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

Only way that these legit, bigtime RB's will go to these spread schools, is if these spread schools start churning out productive backs as much as the proset schools do. Yeah, you got first aid, but who else?

Spread = instant drop in draft stock

Only way to reverse that is for these spread backs to beast in the NFL and for them to start being top 5-10 picks.

Until that happens, the Bryce Brown's of the world will continue to go to these pro style schools.

And spread schools will either get the scat back type (Noel Devine, Chris Rainey, etc) or the underrated prospects. Or simply the kids who played in the spreadin HS and want to do so in college too.

I think we've had this discussion before.

The spread to RB's is like the Spread for QB's.

For every Jonathan Stewart you have beaucoup RB's that came out and did nothing.

And for every Drew Brees you have a Alex Smith/Timmy Chang/Colt Brennen/Tim Couch, etc. Beaucoup QB's.

And the this w/ Legarrete, he's a Juco kid so he was going for optimum playing time first and foremost.

 

[theone2401]

But if your a truly elite prospect you can make the adjustment. Being in a spread is only going to adversely affect people who could have never ran a pro setanyway.

I backs in a spread should still make good backs....scat backs in the spread never had a chance anyway. Now from a draft stock perspective I can see why youwould pick one over the other you want to give you self as much of the upper hand as possible. But Jonathan Stewart is a perfect example. Did anyone, watchinghim play, think he was a scat back? No he was a I back playing out of position his whole career and it didnt affect him because he always had the pro backskills. I think his college career was hindered by running in that offense not inflated.

 

[gunna get it]

BB aint talkin about playin well and adapting, he's speakin on $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and draft status.

and if u play in a pro offense, and thrive, u will see more dollars and a higher draft choice than that same RB who played college in a spread.

 

[theone2401]

Well in that case id agree. Scouts always fall in love with an pro style back who is actually talented. And since they are becoming rarer and rarer thisdecision will probably improve his draft stock a few spots no doubt about it. Difference between going top 10 and bottom 20 is no joke.

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

Originally Posted by theone2401

But if your a truly elite prospect you can make the adjustment. Being in a spread is only going to adversely affect people who could have never ran a pro set anyway.

And that's the main issue.

NFL scouts are worrying about if these kids can make the transition and actually play in a pro style set.

But when they come out of a Pro Style O in College, you KNOW off gate whether they can play in it or not. There is only one adjustment and that is to the speedof the game.

These scouts want to know (as much as humanly possible) what they are getting when drafting a player. Spread causes question marks for that RB.

 

[fear the ibis]

Spread wasn't an issue with Bryce.

How many RB's does UT havein the L? Yet he chose UT over Miami who has just been spitting out RBs to the NFL over the last decade?

UT is a damn great environment to play college football in. But it sucks right now. If they can become good again he has a chance to be the face of UT footballfor the next couple years. He'll be god-like in Knoxville. That's why he chose UT. I don't blame him either cuz that was the best choice for himhonestly. At Miami there's no guarantee he'd even crack the rotation. Oregon ain't ever winning +*%*. UT was better.

 

[CP1708]

No truly elite level player wants to play football in Eugene. Period.

Eugene can rack up dozens of SC's leftovers and a couple 3 star guys from around the way do to the Swoosh. Thas it.


You want to play pro ball, don't go to Oregon. Been that way for 57 years.

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

Originally Posted by Fear The Ibis

Spread wasn't an issue with Bryce.

How many RB's does UT have in the L? Yet he chose UT over Miami who has just been spitting out RBs to the NFL over the last decade?

Uh oh.

 

[CP1708]

Originally Posted by Fear The Ibis

Spread wasn't an issue with Bryce.

How many RB's does UT have in the L? Yet he chose UT over Miami who has just been spitting out RBs to the NFL over the last decade?

UT is a damn great environment to play college football in. But it sucks right now. If they can become good again he has a chance to be the face of UT football for the next couple years. He'll be god-like in Knoxville. That's why he chose UT. I don't blame him either cuz that was the best choice for him honestly. At Miami there's no guarantee he'd even crack the rotation. Oregon ain't ever winning +*%*. UT was better.

It's not any worse in Tenn right now then it is in Miami man. We're both down from where we should be.

 

[the wizard]

Originally Posted by Fear The Ibis

Spread wasn't an issue with Bryce.

How many RB's does UT have in the L? Yet he chose UT over Miami who has just been spitting out RBs to the NFL over the last decade?

except Randy Shannon and his staff can take credit for none of those RB's in the league right now.

 

[gunna get it]

Originally Posted by Fear The Ibis

Spread wasn't an issue with Bryce.

How many RB's does UT have in the L? Yet he chose UT over Miami who has just been spitting out RBs to the NFL over the last decade?

UT is a damn great environment to play college football in. But it sucks right now. If they can become good again he has a chance to be the face of UT football for the next couple years. He'll be god-like in Knoxville. That's why he chose UT. I don't blame him either cuz that was the best choice for him honestly.

sorry but U dont even know what you're talkin about
thats the problem. UM fans always� livin in the past.� we talkin about now and the future. Just who is UM's OC? Coop and Javaris is really thrivin in thatOffense boy I tell ya ...

Travis henry and jamal Lewis were garbage

and the fact that Tennessee is gonna be running the same O that USC ran with Bush and Lendale

U may be confusing Phil Fulmer and his Offense with the new one being implemented that you have� only seen in USC

At Miami there's no guarantee he'd even crack the rotation. Oregon ain't ever winning +*%*. UT was better.

OK, we get it. yall miami fans think he's some huge scrub now that he that he's not in Coral gables.
too bad NONE of yall were saying this last yr when he committeed.
None of yall said that during his Army AA l practices or the� game where he was clearly the best player.

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