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Well I hope Bad Chad Dawson Brings his Lunch box cause on April 12 he gets to meet Glenn Johnson who is a tough night for anyone
2008 NT Boxing Post Vol. Oscar De La Hoya vs. Manny Pacquiao 12/6/08 HBO PPV
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Malignaggi +@!$*++ sucks i dont see how anyone thinks he is good. his bum%+%! talking about he wants hatton, i hate hatton but hatton would cake walk hissorry%+%!.
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Ngoudjo didn't get robbed, it was a close fight that could have gone either way, but i had Paulie by a point or so. Paulie's problem is that he has NOpop and isn't elusive enough all the time to stay away from guys. He has nothing to keep them off of him, and too often he stays in the pocket instead ofusing his legs. How he fought the Lovemore N'Dou fight is how he should ALWAYS fight. When he gets sucked into staying in the pocket, it hurts him becausehis power is none.
And yes, Roy will probably dismantle Tito. Roy has enough speed left to confuse Felix, and i think 170 is a little too far north for Tito. I don't thinkhe'll be fast enough or have enough pop on his punches to do the necessary damage to Roy. Hopefully Roy doesn't run and at least makes it entertaining,but i'm not holding my breath.
And yes, Roy will probably dismantle Tito. Roy has enough speed left to confuse Felix, and i think 170 is a little too far north for Tito. I don't thinkhe'll be fast enough or have enough pop on his punches to do the necessary damage to Roy. Hopefully Roy doesn't run and at least makes it entertaining,but i'm not holding my breath.
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paulie is a cupcake , cotto shoulda ended that boy
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Showtime looking to bounce back from a dismal ending to 2007:
David Haye and Enzo Maccarinelli's explosive cruiserweight unfication fight will be screened by Showtime in America, promoter Frank Warren confirmed today at a press conference at the O2 Arena.
Both boxers came face to face for the first time since signing to fight on March 8 in London at the O2, which Warren promised would be the modern day equivalent of a "cockpit".
And as well as catching the interest in the UK - there is currently an unprecedented demand for tickets - it is also big business in the States, with Showtime televising the fight.
Setanta Sports screen it live in the UK.
Today both boxers promised television viewers - and those lucky enough to be in the audience - an explosive fight to rival anything seen in the British ring.
Posing with a detonator and fake sticks of dynamite, Warren promised that it would be "bombs away" come fight night.
"This is the biggest fight domestically since Nigel Benn fought Chris Eubank, and it will be a better fight," said Warren.
That's beacause between them, Haye and Maccarinelli have stopped 40 of their 50 opponents - 15 have gone in the first round - and both have been on the floor.
"Our records speak for themselves, we are both the best at our weight, we both love to score knockouts, we have both shown vulnerability and that we have got big hearts," said Haye.
"I'm excited about this fight. People have consistently asked when it was going to happen, and now it is on. I'm happy, the fans are happy and people are going to have a great night's entertainment."
Maccarinelli added: "This is a fight everyone wants to see. You've got two boys who look to fight the same way, they look to take the other person out.
"If it doesn't finish early then you are going to see 12 of the most brutal rounds ever witnessed in a British boxing ring, and that's a fact."
Haye added: "I'll second that."
Meanwhile Haye insisted that he had not taken the fight because of money, but to cement his legacy as the best in the world - and also dismissed concerns about making the 14'4 cruiserweight limit.
"It?s not about the money," said the 27-year-old Londoner, who will come to the ring with a 20-1 (19) record and the WBA and WBC cruiserweight titles.
"I want to be the undisputed number one," said Haye.
"I was looking at going to heavyweight, and we had Hasim Rahman lined up, but I said to Adam Booth do what you can to make the Maccarinelli fight.
"In 50 years time when I?m looking back at everything, I?ll say I fought the best around. This is the fight everyone wants to see. No one looks at the record books and says he was tight at the weight ? who cares? Enzo Maccarinelli is a big name, it?s a flat 50-50 fight.
"I?ve been getting e-mails from fans of mine saying don?t take the fight, but it's the best fight out there for me."
Until the fight was unexpectedly announced just after Christmas, no one believed Haye would remain at cruiserweight following his win over Jean Marc Mormeck to lift the WBC and WBA titles.
Before that contest, Haye insisted that the strain of making cruiserweight was adversely affecting his career, and it would be his last fight at 14'4.
Once more he expects to move up to heavyweight after beating Maccarinelli - but said the weight would not be a factor against the 27-year-old Welshman.
"I didn?t go too mad over Christmas and didn?t get too high in terms of weight, I looked after myself and stayed healthy," said Haye.
"I thought there was a 10% chance of this fight coming off, so I took that into account.
"I?ll have to make a sacrifice for a couple of months. The fight is made and my weight is great, I don?t think that is going to be a factor.
"It?s 100% under control. I live a good clean lifestyle. Don?t worry about the weight too much. Everything is under control."
Maccarinelli, the WBO champion, has long hankered after a fight with Haye, but insisted he won't be awed by his reputation as a puncher
"Come fight night I?m going to be bringing everything I?ve got," said the Swansea fighter, who is 28-1 (21).
"The fight is not a risk. I want to be the man at cruiserweight and do that I have to beat David Haye.
"Speaking as a fan, it?s the fight I want to see, two guys fighting the same way, trying to rip each other?s head off.
"Like me, David Haye will try and impose himself in the centre of that ring. He can punch, but as I?ve said, I want to be the man and to do that I have to beat him.
"I'm capable of stepping on the gas from the first round, and that's what I'll be looking to do.
"People have been saying that Haye is stronger than me, faster than me, fitter than me, punches harder than me, is the better boxer, but I don't believe that, and on March 8 we will find out.
"It took Joe Calzaghe 10 years to get his unfication fight, and getting mine inside two years, with so much of my career ahead of me, is fantastic."
Hopefully Steve Cunningham can get the winner of this fight...
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Damn I read about this fight a few days ago Ill be flying back from New York that night so Ima have to get it Sky+ed(like Tivo)man I cant believe I cant watchthis live grrrrrrrrrrr.
Im so shocked Haye took this fight Enzo will have a great chance of winning because Hayes not got legs at that weight and Enzo is accurate n hits hard.I dontknow how many of u guys have seen much of either fighter but this is gonna be a huge fight this is gonna be a great fight make sure u get to see it.
Sorry but anybody saying Paulie won that fight Saturday is crazy even a draw woulda been a missjustice.
Peace
Scottie
Im so shocked Haye took this fight Enzo will have a great chance of winning because Hayes not got legs at that weight and Enzo is accurate n hits hard.I dontknow how many of u guys have seen much of either fighter but this is gonna be a huge fight this is gonna be a great fight make sure u get to see it.
Sorry but anybody saying Paulie won that fight Saturday is crazy even a draw woulda been a missjustice.
Peace
Scottie
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[h1]The 10 best chins in boxing history[/h1]
By Graham Houston
Special to ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: January 8, 2008
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It took a monstrous hook from Sugar Ray Robinson to take Gene Fullmer off of his feet.
Throughout boxing history there have been some incredibly tough individuals. The "Durable Dane" nickname of old-time lightweight champ Battling Nelson was well-earned, for instance. In a look at the all-time best chins, then, the problem is not which boxers to include but which to leave out. Here, focusing on fighters of the past, is a list of the toughest of the tough. [h2]10. Tommy Farr[/h2]Tough Tommy from Tonpandy, Wales, will forever be remembered for not only lasting the full 15 rounds with Joe Louis but actually giving the Brown Bomber a very good, competitive fight. Farr was stopped five times but three of those losses were earlier in his 126-fight career and two when he was well past his best. The Louis fight was one of the ring's great exhibitions; it showed how to endure under fire and give some back against an all-time great puncher. As James P. Dawson reported in The New York Times: "Farr, though he was beaten last night, battered and bruised and pounded with staggering force at times, won glory in that he attained the unique distinction of surviving 15 rounds against the master puncher of the day." [h2]9. Gene Fullmer[/h2]The "Mauling Mormon" was stopped only twice, the first time famously when Sugar Ray Robinson hit him with one of the greatest left hooks ever thrown in their middleweight championship rematch. In three other 15-round fights with Robinson, Fullmer took the best punches that the greatest fighter in history could deliver. He was stopped for the second time in his career when, cut and battered, his corner retired him after the seventh round against old rival **** Tiger in Nigeria, but by that time Fullmer, 32, was at the end of his career. In the third of his four-fight series with Robinson -- a 15-round draw -- The Associated Press reported that Sugar Ray "rattled numerous rights off the granite-like jaw and chin of Fullmer" and that it "seemed impossible for the 29-year-old champion from West Jordan, Utah, to survive the attack." Fullmer did survive, though, and defiantly told the press afterwards: "He never hurt me." [h2]8. Carmen Basilio[/h2]
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Carmen Basilio, right, had the ability to walk through extremely hard shots.
The onion farmer from Syracuse, N.Y., was a tireless aggressor and wicked left-+$*!@% noted for his ruggedness and big heart. His two stoppage defeats came at the end of his career against the bigger, stronger Fullmer, and the rematch was halted mainly because Basilio was badly cut, with the brave warrior furious at the referee for stopping the fight. Basilio withstood some tremendous blows from Tony DeMarco in their two welterweight championship wars. When he narrowly defeated Robinson in the first of their two epic fights The Associated Press reported that Basilio "shook off punches that would have knocked down a horse." [h2]7. Jake LaMotta[/h2]Not many fighters, surely, could have withstood the punishment that Jake LaMotta absorbed from Sugar Ray Robinson in their 1951 title fight without going down. Although the Bronx Bull took a terrible beating he was on his feet, bloodied but defiant, at the finish. (In the movie "Raging Bull," Robert DeNiro, as LaMotta, says with hoarse-voiced satisfaction at the end of the fight: "Ray, you couldn't knock me down." It was the sort of comment the real-life LaMotta might have made.) In more than 100 bouts against the best of his era, nobody barred, LaMotta was stopped just four times -- by Robinson, the notorious fixed fight against Billy Fox, and twice as a light heavyweight when he was largely a spent force -- but he was never counted out. [h2]6. Kid Gavilan[/h2]
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In 143 fights, Kid Gavilan, left, was never stopped.
The Cuban Hawk was never stopped in 143 fights -- although he suffered a couple of knockdowns, one coming in his welterweight title fight with Basilio when he was nailed by a left hook that might have knocked out most 147-pounders. Gavilan is the fourth boxer on the list to have fought Robinson. When Gavilan gave Sugar Ray an excellent fight for the welterweight title, James P. Dawson reported in The New York Times that "the Cuban has more endurance, determination and fearlessness than any other in Robinson's limited field of challengers." [h2]5. Carlos Monzon[/h2]Argentina's Carlos Monzon lost three fights out of 100, all on points, and although knocked down by the fine Colombian middleweight Rodrigo Valdes, he got up to win and retired afterwards as unbeaten and the undisputed 160-pound champion. I was lucky enough to have been able to cover several of Monzon's European fights from ringside, including his 1975 title defense against Gratien Tonna in Paris when the rather crude but muscular French boxer landed a tremendous left hook early in the fight -- and Monzon never went anywhere. After this, the will to fight seemed to drain from Tonna, who essentially surrendered in the fifth. [h2]4. George Chuvalo[/h2]
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George Chuvalo, left, took shots from some of the hardest hitting heavyweights in boxing history -- including George Foreman, right -- and never went down.
No list of best chins could be complete, in my view, without mention of Canadian heavyweight ironman George Chuvalo, who twice went the distance with Muhammad Ali and was never dropped in 93 fights. (When Chuvalo was stopped by Joe Frazier he suffered a fractured cheekbone, and he remained on his feet while being overwhelmed by George Foreman.) Chuvalo outlasted the very hard-hitting Jerry Quarry in a seven-round war. In an interview for Boxing Monthly in 1998, Chuvalo told me that although known mostly for being able to absorb punches, he felt he could box a bit, too. "If I got hit with one-tenth of the punches that I was reputed to have been hit with, I wouldn't be able to talk to you," he said. "I'd always say: 'On the right night, I'd beat anybody.' Maybe if they had 100-round fights I would have." [h2]3. Rocky Marciano[/h2]Rocky Marciano's ability to take punishment and keep coming is the stuff of legend. He was dropped twice in his 49 fights (all of which were victories), coming back to knock out wonderful sharpshooters Jersey Joe Walcott and Archie Moore. Although the great Ezzard Charles bloodied Marciano in each of their two fights he could not stop the Rock's relentless advances. Marciano simply seemed unstoppable in these fights. As observed by writer Ed Fitzgerald in the January 1953 edition of Sport magazine: "You can, as with an enraged grizzly bear, slow him down and make him shake his head if you hit him hard enough to wound him, but you can't make him back up." [h2]2. Harry Greb[/h2]The old "Human Windmill" was as tough as they come. In 240 bouts he was stopped only twice, once when he was outweighed, then when he suffered a broken arm. Those losses came in the first two years of his 13-year career. A great middleweight champion, he fought the best of his era including top-caliber light heavyweights, notably Gene Tunney (later to become heavyweight champion) and Tommy Loughran. Astonishingly, Greb fought the last several years of his career while blind in the right eye, the general consensus being that he had been thumbed in the eye in a 1921 contest. [h2]1. Marvelous Marvin Hagler[/h2]
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Only Juan Roldan, right, could take Marvin Hagler off his feet -- and it was more of a slip than a knockdown.
In a list of really, really tough guys, Hagler has to be right up there. He was only dropped once, and that was an off-balance flooring against Argentina's rough and rugged Juan Domingo Roldan, whom he otherwise outclassed. Hagler stood up to the best punches of John Mugabi, one of the biggest hitters of the 1980s. What puts Hagler at the top of the list, in my view, is the way he took some tremendous punches from Thomas Hearns in their epic three-round war. I doubt very many middleweights could have weathered the Hearns firestorm that night, but Hagler did, and he came back with an even more withering barrage of his own. What a chin -- what a fighter. Graham Houston is the American editor of Boxing Monthly and writes for FightWriter.com.
Marvelous Marvin Hagler
My all-time favorite
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where is ronald mother **$!$@! winky wright?his chin is steel
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all them fighers are from the BC's he should atlest make a list of present day boxers also
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Winky's gloves stay glued to both sides of his face is what keeps Ronald standing, not his chin, the fact that he refuses to take any risks to let thatchin stick out is why he is probably the most boring fighter in boxing today.
How Evander Holyfield isnt on that list is beyond me.
How Evander Holyfield isnt on that list is beyond me.
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Evander had a head of granite let alone a chin.
Article about Amo's beloved Edison Miranda. Super Middlweight is going to be THE division this year with fighters like Pavlik, Taylor, Green, Miranda,Bute, Lacy, etc.
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Is the hopkins fight going to be in yankee stadium or not
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No venue yet.
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the Hopkins-Calzaghe fight is likely gonna take place in Vegas.
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its probably the people that are behind him , like when he stuck his chin out and put his gloves down on shane , his people went off on him
Welterweight champion Hits: The 2007 ESPN.com Fighter of the Year (and Ring magazine's, for that matter) was well deserving of his recognition. He defeated two huge names in the year's two biggest fights, outpointing Oscar De La Hoya and impressively knocking out Ricky Hatton. Equally as important was that the fights were mainstream successes judging by the media attention, pay-per-view sales (combined 3.25 million homes) and two sellout crowds at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Years don't get much bigger for a fighter. Misses: Instead of moving full steam ahead with a super fight against Miguel Cotto or any number of quality potential opponents, Mayweather is instead talking about taking a long break or exploring entrance into mixed martial arts. That is very disappointing, especially when he is at the peak of his career.
Super middleweight champion Hits: In 2007, Calzaghe celebrated his 10th year as a champion, made his 20th and 21st title defenses and unified belts with a stunningly lopsided decision against formidable Mikkel Kessler in front of more than 50,000 fans. If there was any previous doubt, Calzaghe also punched his ticket to the International Boxing Hall of Fame no matter what happens in his proposed spring fight with light heavyweight champ Bernard Hopkins. Misses: The only problem looming is if he and promoter Frank Warren blow the Hopkins deal. Other than that, it's all peachy keen.
Junior lightweight Hits: Pacquiao's March 15 rematch with Juan Manuel Marquez is one of the fights we've all been dying to see again, so kudos to Pacquiao for taking it when he could have easily gone in a different direction and still make a ton of dough for an easier fight. Misses: Let's see -- we've got the fight we want, his promotional situation has been sorted out and he's already busy training. What is there to complain about?
Light heavyweight champion Hits: By all accounts, B-Hop has been quite reasonable during negotiations with Calzaghe, so if the fight doesn't happen, it appears as though we won't be able to blame Hopkins, which hasn't always been the case with other fights that fell through. Misses: Hopefully, if the fight with Calzaghe gets finalized, Hopkins won't continue to resort to the gutter promotional tactics of turning the fight into a race war. It's unnecessary and won't be tolerated.
Junior lightweight champion Hits: It took some trials and tribulations to make the long-awaited rematch between Marquez and Pacquiao, but Marquez, after initially turning down an immediate rematch in 2004 because he radically priced himself out of it, finally came around. He took the short side of the deal to get it done. Misses: Marquez, now 34, might be slipping just a tad. It's possible he waited too long to make the rematch with Pacquiao, 29, who is better now than he was when they first met.
Welterweight titlist Hits: Cotto and promoter Top Rank have not shied away from matching Cotto with anybody. He's a star, he's in his prime, he's exciting and he'll fight anybody. With Shane Mosley and Zab Judah vanquished in 2007, bring on Mayweather or De La Hoya, or even Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito or Kermit Cintron. Misses: Because Cotto probably won't make his 2008 debut until April, it means the turnaround for him to return in early June will be too quick. That means he won't headline a big show at Madison Square Garden on the eve of New York's annual Puerto Rican Day parade this year.
Middleweight Hits: Although he fought at 170 pounds, well over his usual 160, Wright was highly competitive in a loss to Bernard Hopkins in his last fight in July, a testament to how good of a boxer he is. Misses: Since that loss, Wright hasn't fought and there is no obvious notable fight on the horizon for him. He is stuck in no-man's land. The name middleweights, Kelly Pavlik and Jermain Taylor, are occupied with each other. The top super middleweight, Calzaghe, is probably going to fight Hopkins. And a bout with the one notable junior middleweight who would make sense for him to fight, titleholder Vernon Forrest, is tough to make because there isn't that much money in the fight, relatively speaking.
Junior featherweight champion Hits: Win or lose the rubber match with Rafael Marquez, they gave us two fantastic fights in 2007, which resulted in the rematch being named fight of the year by ESPN.com (and Ring magazine) and the third round from the rematch being selected as round of the year. Misses: Is it possible for the third fight to live up to expectations after the first two sensational brawls?
Junior featherweight Hits: Despite taking a lot of punishment and being stopped by Vazquez in the sixth round of the epic rematch in August, Marquez isn't taking a breather. He's going right back in with the guy who stopped him when few would have blamed him for taking another fight. Misses: This isn't on the fighters, but the rubber match is supposed to be March 1. However, no site has been announced yet. After the dismal attendance and poor promotion of the first two bouts, you'd think the organizers, Gary Shaw, Sycuan Ringside Promotions and Golden Boy, would get to work already.
Middleweight champion Hits: From solid contender to world champion and pound-for-pound entrant, Pavlik had a terrific 2007, going 3-0 with three knockouts against veteran tough guy Jose Luis Zertuche, top contender (and favorite) Edison Miranda and champion Jermain Taylor. Hell of a year with a big 2008 ahead, including the rematch with Taylor on Feb. 16 and a possible June defense against John Duddy. Misses: Because Taylor insisted on it in his rematch clause, Pavlik-Taylor II will be at 166 pounds, meaning the middleweight championship won't be at stake. It takes just a little luster off the fight. 11. Juan Diaz 12. Shane Mosley 13. Oscar De La Hoya 14. Ricky Hatton 15. Ivan "Iron Boy" Calderon 16. Jermain Taylor 17. Chris John 18. Cory Spinks 19. Paul Williams 20. Antonio Margarito |
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His divisional rankings are much better.
Both Cotto & JMM belong above Hopkins, IMO. And how Vasquez, Marquez, and Pavlik are all below Winky is beyond me.
What's up w/ De La Hoya? Any word?
STILL haven't watched the Malignaggi fight yet.
Both Cotto & JMM belong above Hopkins, IMO. And how Vasquez, Marquez, and Pavlik are all below Winky is beyond me.
What's up w/ De La Hoya? Any word?
STILL haven't watched the Malignaggi fight yet.
Because Cotto probably won't make his 2008 debut until April, it means the turnaround for him to return in early June will be too quick. That means he won't headline a big show at Madison Square Garden on the eve of New York's annual Puerto Rican Day parade this year.
I look forward to that every year.
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IMO - Miguel is too low
Manny is too high
Winky is too high
Kelly Pavlik is too low
Manny is too high
Winky is too high
Kelly Pavlik is too low
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Agreed except for Pavlik. I think he is just about right, maybe even a bit too high. I'd put Calderon and Juan Diaz just above Pavlik. IMO, JulioDiaz & Acelino Freitas + all his other defenses are a better resume than Miranda and Taylor. Miranda and Taylor may be a bit than Julio and Freitas,although i'm not convinced, but the rest of Pavlik's resume is terrible an at least Juan has had a few title defenses against fairly solid competition.
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anyone watchign ESPN Friday Night Fights ???
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Son just got dropped...
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yea, Allan Green is in studio and Miranda is the main event.
, Allan Green said Pashal wasnt that good ...
Pittman aalmost ended it Hot Damn
Pittman aalmost ended it Hot Damn
