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Kiper's mock draft...didn't know whether to make a new thread or not so just stuck it in here:
[h2]Underclassmen dominate first mock[/h2] [h3]21 non-seniors show up in the first round of Mel Kiper's initial mock[/h3]
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Getty ImagesNdamukong Suh is Mel's choice for the first overall pick by the Rams.
Things certainly will change as the workout season commences, but it's time to get the ball rolling for the 2010 NFL draft. Remember that my Big Board and position group rankings (now adjusted so all declared players are grouped) are a good primer. That said, off we go.
Two things that stand out early in the first mock draft of the season are the degree to which the first round is dominated by underclassmen -- they make up 21 of the 32 picks -- and how we're seeing a truly deep class of defensive linemen. Even though many NFL teams now employ the 3-4, the options up front for either 4-3 or 3-4 defenses are pretty significant in this draft.
[h6]St. Louis Rams[/h6]
Record: 1-15
Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
Nobody questions that the top need for the Rams is a quarterback. But unless St. Louis trades down -- an extremely difficult proposition on multiple levels -- it shouldn't take a quarterback with its first pick. Suh is maybe the most dominating defensive tackle I've seen in 32 years of doing this. He can be effective immediately for the Rams.
[h6]Detroit Lions[/h6]
Record: 2-14
Gerald McCoy*, DT, Oklahoma
Getting McCoy both fills a big need for the Lions and is an extraordinarily good consolation prize for any team unable to get Suh. McCoy makes his living in opponents' backfields and is such a talent he could have landed in this position last year had he declared as a redshirt sophomore.
[h6]Tampa Bay Buccaneers[/h6]
Record: 3-13
Eric Berry*, S, Tennessee
This is very early for a safety to go off the board, but Berry is that kind of talent. A player compared often (not unfairly) to Ed Reed, Berry is a difference-making safety headed to a league that has seen those types (Reed, Troy Polamalu, Bob Sanders) become more and more notable in recent years.
[h6]Washington ********[/h6]
Record: 4-12
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Mike Shanahan and the ******** can get a quarterback here who might have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The ******** need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection, when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.
[h6]Kansas City Chiefs[/h6]
Record: 4-12
Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
I think the Chiefs could use help at safety as well, but Berry likely won't fall this far, and they'd be reaching on either of the two other safeties with first-round grades. Okung could solve two problems, making him a good value. He also could step in at LT and allow the Chiefs to move Brandon Albert to the right side. A pick that can pay immediate dividends for the Chiefs.
[h6]Seattle Seahawks[/h6]
Record: 5-11
Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
Many in Seattle will view the offensive line as a greater need, but Morgan fills another huge hole for a team that simply couldn't get to the quarterback in 2009. He represents great value because he can rush the passer, is productive against the run and can even drop back -- a versatile talent. Pete Carroll knows defense and should love what Morgan can offer.
[h6]Cleveland Browns[/h6]
Record: 5-11
Joe Haden*, CB, Florida
I'm not convinced the Browns will be willing to draft a quarterback simply because the position is unsettled. In Haden, they can't go wrong with by far the top CB on the board, a player they can plug in from day one. A deft cover corner and great tackler, Haden is the total package.
[h6]Oakland Raiders[/h6]
Record: 5-11
Anthony Davis*, OT, Rutgers
Davis might not be the most complete tackle in the first round just yet, but he is the most naturally gifted and should get better. Great feet, ideal size and he has the ability to maul defenders in the run game. After a whiff in the first round last year, the Raiders should address a big need here.
[h6]Buffalo Bills[/h6]
Record: 6-10
Jimmy Clausen*, QB, Notre Dame
People will debate Clausen's merits long after he shakes the commissioner's hand, but he has continued to improve, has displayed toughness, has an NFL arm and, perhaps most importantly, has experience under center in a pro-style offense. That was a key for Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez, and is a huge consideration for scouts.
[h6]Denver Broncos (from Chicago)[/h6]
Record: 7-9
Dez Bryant*, WR, Oklahoma State
In all likelihood, Brandon Marshall is headed elsewhere, so the Broncos will attempt to fill the void with the best deep threat in the draft. Bryant has great size and was unstoppable in the Big 12. He represents an immediate weapon in the passing game.
[h6]Jacksonville Jaguars[/h6]
Record: 7-9
Jason Pierre-Paul*, DE, South Florida
This is no place to draft a guy like Tim Tebow just to sell tickets. Pierre-Paul could be the Mario Williams of this draft class, a raw talent but one with remarkable athleticism and an incredible burst off the line. Could be a terror for QBs in the future and maybe he's local enough for some.
[h6]Miami Dolphins[/h6]
Record:7-9
Rolando McClain*, LB, Alabama
A potential home run for Miami, a team that needs an inside linebacker and could get the best one in the whole draft after the top 10. The Dolphins also could go after Bryant if he were to fall to them here, because they also must address WR.
[h6]San Francisco 49ers[/h6]
Record: 8-8
Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
I consider the right tackle position a big need for the 49ers, and getting Williams here should strengthen them immediately both in the run game and as they look to further develop a potentially dangerous passing game with Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis.
[h6]Seattle Seahawks (from Denver)[/h6]
Record: 5-11
C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
He's not an offensive lineman, but Spiller could be a Reggie Bush-like option for the Seahawks. For a coach uniquely familiar with what Bush can do, Spiller is a missing home run threat in the run game, a good receiver and a valuable returner. Fans will want O-line help, and I'd expect it in Round 2.
[h6]New York Giants[/h6]
Record: 8-8
Carlos Dunlap*, DE, Florida
This is a high-value pick for the Giants, whose defensive line depth I feel has been overstated. There are makeup questions surrounding Dunlap, but for much of this past season, he was considered the premier pass-rusher in the college game. He has the potential to be like Jevon Kearse.
[h6]San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina)[/h6]
Record: 8-8
Earl Thomas*, S, Texas
The 49ers need help in pass coverage, and Thomas fits because he's a great value here, whereas reaching for a CB at No. 16 wouldn't represent good value at all. Thomas isn't a huge guy but can cover a tremendous amount of real estate.
[h6]Tennessee Titans[/h6]
Record: 8-8
Everson Griffen*, DE, USC
Pierre-Paul likely won't fall this far, so the Titans get a gifted underclassman who looked like a pro coming out of high school and now is living up to his potential. He already has an NFL frame, and when Griffen is consistent, he's a strong pass-rusher.
[h6]Pittsburgh Steelers[/h6]
Record: 9-7
Bryan Bulaga*, OT, Iowa
Pittsburgh clearly needs help up front if it wants to return to power running and protecting the quarterback, and Bulaga is an emerging tackle with great feet from a pro-style system. The Steelers will improve immediately, and he wears the black and gold well already.
[h6]Atlanta Falcons[/h6]
Record: 9-7
Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
The Falcons could use some help at OLB, and Kindle's continued improvement throughout the season is appealing. He's not quite in the class of Brian Orakpo, but he is a similar type of player and has proved to be very physical.
[h6]Houston Texans[/h6]
Record: 9-7
Brian Price*, DT, UCLA
Price is hidden away a bit in such a deep class of defensive linemen, but he's a disruptive force who utilizes great leverage. He should add depth to an improving defense.
[h6]Cincinnati Bengals[/h6]
Record: 10-6
Aaron Hernandez*, TE, Florida
They need to give Carson Palmer options in the passing game aside from who already is there, and Hernandez is the most athletic TE available, a guy with surprising run-after-catch ability. The favorite target of Tebow at Florida, he could offer immediate help in the passing game.
[h6]New England Patriots[/h6]
Record: 10-6
Ricky Sapp, OLB, Clemson
The Patriots clearly need help when it comes to getting to opposing quarterbacks, and Sapp is an ideal fit on the edge in the 3-4. He's the kind of athlete who can adjust to being upright and flat-out knows how to get to the quarterback.
[h6]Green Bay Packers[/h6]
Record: 11-5
Taylor Mays, S, USC
If you had told Green Bay in August that it could get Mays at No. 23 overall, the Packers would have been thrilled. An extraordinary athlete, Mays might have suffered against expectations, but the Pack hit a home run with Clay Matthews Jr. out of USC last year, and Mays both fills a need and has great potential.
[h6]Philadelphia Eagles[/h6]
Record: 11-5
Navorro Bowman*, OLB, Penn State
The Eagles need an athletic OLB, and they get a lot of value by landing Bowman here. Bowman lacks size, but any parsing on measurables can't overcome his great play on film. Could end up as the best at his position in this class.
[h6]Baltimore Ravens[/h6]
Record: 9-7
Jermaine Gresham*, TE, Oklahoma
Gresham is so good that while he sat out his junior year, I left him on the Big Board the whole time. Now healthy, he's a great find this late in the first round and a perfect target for Joe Flacco as an heir to Todd Heap. At a hair over 6-6 and 262 pounds, he's the total package at TE.
[h6]Arizona Cardinals[/h6]
Record: 10-6
Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
I see this position as the second-biggest need for the Cardinals, and Williams is a great value here. Tremendously strong in the lower body, he is a disruptive force against the run.
[h6]Dallas Cowboys[/h6]
Record: 11-5
Bruce Campbell*, OT, Maryland
Jerry Jones knows he needs to address the tackle position after the debacle he witnessed against Minnesota in the divisional round of the playoffs, and Campbell, while still learning, is a tremendous talent at this position.
[h6]San Diego Chargers[/h6]
Record: 13-3
Jonathan Dwyer*, RB, Georgia Tech
With the possible departure of LaDainian Tomlinson on the horizon, Dwyer represents the player who can handle 20-plus carries in an offense that already has a great speed back in Darren Sproles. Dwyer has ideal size and shows explosiveness.
[h6]New York Jets[/h6]
Record: 9-7
Golden Tate*, WR, Notre Dame
The Jets must give Mark Sanchez some weapons in the passing game, and while Tate has question marks on his ability to separate, he is more physical than many think and has always been a playmaker. In the mold of Laveranues Coles.
[h6]Minnesota Vikings[/h6]
Record: 12-4
Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
Need meets value here. Robinson is the second-best corner in the draft, and Minnesota should be happy to grab him this late. Robinson has the chance to step in and contribute.
[h6]New Orleans Saints[/h6]
Record: 13-3
Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State
Odrick is an ideal pick here for the Saints, who are looking to add stability to the rush defense. His presence helped standout LBs Bowman and Sean Lee run free up in Happy Valley, and the Saints will ask for the same.
[h6]Indianapolis Colts[/h6]
Record: 14-2
Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan
Graham was a one-man show for the Wolverines, leading the nation in tackles for loss as a senior. Always in the backfield, he's a guy who can learn under master pass-rushers in Indy and build on the tradition. He's been on my Big Board all year, so a good value this late.
* -- Draft-eligible junior/redshirt sophomore
Seahawks taking Morgan and having Curry from last year has all the makings of a nice solid core for that D.
I would be thrilled if we took McClain if Dez is off the board. Now that we have Nolan, I want to stock the shelves big time for him. So if we land either ofthose guys, I'm cool with that.
I don't want Golden out in NY though.
I would be thrilled if we took McClain if Dez is off the board. Now that we have Nolan, I want to stock the shelves big time for him. So if we land either ofthose guys, I'm cool with that.
I don't want Golden out in NY though.
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the Bengals just took Chase Kaufman in the 2nd round last yr didnt they? why go back to TE in the 1st round one yr later
he was injured rite ?
he was injured rite ?
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My draft wish: Al Davis relinquishes all GM power to someone else before the draft.
Has there ever been this many consecutive top 7 pick busts by any team in NFL history?
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... and our offense was still ranked 31st
Has there ever been this many consecutive top 7 pick busts by any team in NFL history?
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DMC
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... and our offense was still ranked 31st
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Dez or Lando and I'm happy
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yea.. eagles won't be taking that guy
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Rams better take Suh. I know we need a lot of holes filled but we should go with the best overall player.
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I would actually prefer McClain over Bryant, most receivers go in later rounds and we can probably pick up a guy like A.J. Green in the second round. WithMcClain the Miami Dolphins linebackers would be Joey Porter, Ayodele, Jason Taylor (if he stays), Channing Crowder, and Rolando McClain
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AJ Green 2nd round? nah son. AJ green is a sophmore, he aint comin out til next yr
most WRs goin later rounds isnt that accurate neither.
most WRs goin later rounds isnt that accurate neither.
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Oh @#%@ my bad didn't realize, thought he was coming to the league. And history has shown with guys like Boldin (2nd Round), T.O. (3rd Round),Colston (7th Round), Welker (undrafted), and Miles Austin (undrafted) that play makers at wide receiver can be found in later rounds.
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Haden to the Browns at #7? PLEASE NO!
We have bigger needs than corner. Eric Wright is one of the better up and comers in the league.
I honestly don't think Dez OR Rolando will be available at #12 for you Dolphin fans...if these GM's know what they're doing that is...
We have bigger needs than corner. Eric Wright is one of the better up and comers in the league.
I honestly don't think Dez OR Rolando will be available at #12 for you Dolphin fans...if these GM's know what they're doing that is...
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thats not Most Wrs.
U can find quality guys later but the torry Holts Moss's reggie waynes and larry Fitzgeralds are going to be snatched up in the 1st round More often thannot.
U can find quality guys later but the torry Holts Moss's reggie waynes and larry Fitzgeralds are going to be snatched up in the 1st round More often thannot.
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I like the Mike Nolan hire by Miami and I would love pick if they ended up with McClain. Parcells will have this team back in the playoffs next year.
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I honestly believe either Dez or/and Rolando WILL be there at 12th (because of teams needs ahead of us). If not, we should trade down and add up valuable picks
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You like Henne as the future QB? I can definitely see Tebow going to Miami in the second round. I think that would be a great pick with the way Miami plays.
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Originally Published: January 20, 2010
[h2]Mel Kiper's latest 2010 Big Board[/h2]
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This is the week when the Big Board officially takes a backseat in importance compared to the mock draft for most fans. But the Big Board is still vital to me as the base for which we can assess who is doing a good job in terms of draft value. In the first round, the top need often supersedes the value you gain at a certain selection point, but there comes a time when all bets are off. If a guy in the top five of this Board falls to you at, say, No. 15-20, you'll see teams decide to address that need later. The value is just too high.
So even as the mock drafts pile up, the Big Board still matters.
Ndamukong Suh
DT
6-4
300
Analysis: Explosive, relentless and consistent. Last week: No. 1
Gerald McCoy
DT
6-4
297
Analysis: Disruptive force. Productive NFL career ahead. Last week: No. 2
Eric Berry
DB
5-11
203
Analysis: Ultimate playmaker in the Ed Reed mold. Last week: No. 3
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4840832#Jimmy Clausen
QB
6-3
223
Analysis: Improved through adversity, has under-center experience. Last week: No. 4
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4840832#Sam Bradford
QB
6-4
223
Analysis: Has underrated arm, great feel for position; is superaccurate. Last week: No. 5
Joe Haden
CB
5-11
190
Analysis: Polished cover corner with tackling ability to match. Last week: No. 6
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4840832#Derrick Morgan
DE
6-4
275
Analysis: Solid pass-rusher but stout versus run. Very productive. Last week: No. 8
Russell Okung
OT
6-5
300
Analysis: Athletic, strong and fiery blindside pass-protector. Last week: No. 7
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4840832#Dez Bryant
WR
6-2
220
Analysis: Dynamic receiver and returner. Draft's best downfield threat. Last week: No. 9
Rolando McClain
LB
6-4
258
Analysis: Fiery, vocal team leader with top instincts for position. Last week: No. 10
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4840832#Earl Thomas
S
5-10
197
Analysis: Athletic safety with cover skills; can contribute immediately. Last week: 11
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4840832#Jason Pierre-Paul
DE
6-5
262
Analysis: Explosive, natural pass-rusher; raw but physically gifted. Last week: No. 12
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4840832#C.J. Spiller
RB
5-11
195
Analysis: Multitalented, superfast, electrifying game-breaker. Good hands. Last week: No. 12
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4840832#Brian Price
DT
6-2
300
Analysis: Powerful leverage guy who wreaks havoc along line. Last week: No. 13
Carlos Dunlap
DE
6-6
290
Analysis: Physical tools are off the charts. Has unlimited upside. Last week: No. 14
Aaron Hernandez
TE
6-2
250
Analysis: Great hands and excellent run-after-catch skills for a TE. Last week: No. 16
Everson Griffen
DE
6-3
280
Analysis: Supremely talented pass-rusher; gained consistency this past season. Last week: No. 17
Anthony Davis
OT
6-6
325
Analysis: Gifted physically, has quick feet and still improving. Last week: No. 18
Dan Williams
DT
6-3
327
Analysis: High motor, consistent, tremendously powerful lower body. Last week: No. 19
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4840832#Bryan Bulaga
OL
6-6
312
Analysis: His leverage is incredible; one of his biggest assets. Last week: No. 20
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4840832#Taylor Mays
S
6-3
235
Analysis: Stunning physical skills, but struggled on young team. Last week: No. 21
Trent Williams
OL
6-5
318
Analysis: Long and strong. Back on Big Board after a long hiatus. Last week: No. 22
Brandon Graham
DE
6-2
270
Analysis: Awesome athlete; force off the edge, led nation in TFLs. Last week: No. 23
Sergio Kindle
LB
6-4
255
Analysis: Improved all year; prototype 3-4 OLB in NFL. Last week: No. 24
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4840832#Jermaine Gresham
TE
6-6
258
Analysis: Great talent but missed season. Workouts will be big. Last week: No. 25
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Henne will be dangerous as hell with real receivers. I already said on here, Chad to Dez could be a LETHAL duo...
And they already took Pat White in the 2nd round last year. No need to take another project QB/potential Wildcat guy that early.
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Good call. Forgot about White. I'd still like Tebow on that team though. Nonetheless, Miami should be real strong in a few years.
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Like i said in the Dolphins thread;
Mcclain/Bryant/Berry. If all 3 are gone by 12 then we need to trade down.
Mcclain/Bryant/Berry. If all 3 are gone by 12 then we need to trade down.
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I honestly do.....I've been preaching Henne to anyone that would listen since last yr. Once he gets his touch passes mastered and an actual #1WR, the sky's the limit for this kid.
I don't think/hope we'll be drafting a QB early for a long time. Tebow has Jax writing all over him
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As much as I hate to say this, unless one of those guys has a terrible combine I don't think we will snatch any of them with the 12th pick.
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*edit: the pic i was using is gone but no, no tebow, no
someone give me a scouting report on danario alexander, everytime i saw him play he was great. maybe he's a little skinny, routes not that crispy, kneeinjuries... but two of those are correctable, and the last one's just a risk every player has to deal with. i feel like he has a future for sure
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we should go for a big fb with speed on offense to complement gore
and on defense i say a taller cb
and on defense i say a taller cb
