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I hope this goon Margarito can make it interesting...

I actually want him to win, he seems like a cool dude...When he start strapping that slab on his hand in training i was 
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He looks in good shape but i know from previous fights not to let 24/7 gas me
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I still think Caballero handles both of them at 122 or 126 or 130 fwiw. They've been ducking him in two weight classes now.
 
If Berto/Mosley or Berto/Cotto don't happen, I would love to see Berto/Jones. He's ready for it. Either way, he needs a title shot soon
Berto wants no part of Jones...high risk, low reward for him.

Mike Jones is ready, though
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Am I the only one who has next to no interest in this Pac-Man/Margarito fight?
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Pacman/Margarito good for two reasons...it may start a comeback for margarito if he wins...it'll be pacmans shot at an 8th belt in how many weight classes...

he's one of the main reasons boxing still on the big screen...it's those undefeated fighters and record seekers...
 
Pacman/Margarito good for two reasons...it may start a comeback for margarito if he wins...it'll be pacmans shot at an 8th belt in how many weight classes...

he's one of the main reasons boxing still on the big screen...it's those undefeated fighters and record seekers...
 
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If Berto/Mosley or Berto/Cotto don't happen, I would love to see Berto/Jones. He's ready for it. Either way, he needs a title shot soon
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Berto wants no part of Jones...high risk, low reward for him.

Mike Jones is ready, though
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Am I the only one who has next to no interest in this Pac-Man/Margarito fight?

I don't have any interest to watch/order the PPV and I've bought a lot of Pacquaio's PPV. 
I'm watching 24/7 and don't even like it.

I can't wait for Martinez/Williams 2 
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ARLINGTON, Texas -- Manny Pacquiao, the pound-for-pound king, and the controversial Antonio Margarito are fighting for different stakes. One fights for history. One for redemption.

Pacquiao had hoped to be in the ring with Floyd Mayweather Jr. defending his welterweight title, but Mayweather refused to fight him and is, as he says, "on vacation," while also now fighting a variety of criminal charges stemming from an alleged domestic dispute in September.

So while Mayweather's next fight will be in the courtroom, Pacquiao has moved on with his career and is moving up in weight yet again as he seeks a vacant junior middleweight belt when he and Margarito meet Saturday night (HBO PPV, 9 ET, $54.95) at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington in front of a crowd that could be as large as 70,000, Top Rank promoter Bob Arum said at Wednesday's final news conference. That would be a record for an American indoor fight.

If Pacquiao wins, he would claim a title in a record-extending eighth weight class, which, even in this era of title proliferation, is eye-catching.

"It would be an eighth title, which nobody else has ever done, but Manny Pacquiao is a different kind of athlete," said Arum, who also promotes Margarito. "He's very special and the type of accomplishments he has shouldn't really surprise anybody."

While Margarito, a former two-time welterweight titleholder, will also be looking to win a vacant junior middleweight belt, he will be seeking a measure of redemption following the well-publicized hand-wrap scandal he was at the center of when he attempted to enter the ring with loaded hand wraps before his welterweight title fight with Shane Mosley in Los Angeles in January 2009.

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TV lineup for the Top Rank-promoted card on Saturday night (HBO PPV, 9 ET, $54.95) from Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas:

• Junior middleweights: Manny Pacquiao (51-3-2, 38 KOs) vs. Antonio Margarito (38-6, 27 KOs), 12 rounds, for a vacant title

• Welterweights: Mike Jones (22-0, 18 KOs) vs. Jesus Soto Karass (24-4-3, 16 KOs), 10 rounds

• Junior featherweights: Guillermo Rigondeaux (6-0, 5 KOs) vs. Ricardo Cordoba (37-2-2, 23 KOs), 12 rounds, for a vacant interim title

• Junior welterweights: Brandon Rios (25-0-1, 17 KOs) vs. Omri Lowther (14-2, 10 KOs), 10 rounds

Margarito had his license revoked and his once-solid reputation went into the toilet. He was not allowed to fight in the United States and only after California rejected his plea for a return of his license did Texas regulators give him one in September. It was a controversial move, but it paved the way for his fight with Pacquiao, which will be contested at a contract limit of 150 pounds even though the limit for junior middleweights is 154 pounds.

"Antonio knows he needs to win the fight. He's hoping he's going to redeem himself with the victory," said Sergio Diaz, Margarito's co-manager. "But at the same time he says he doesn't really think he'll get the credit he had before [the scandal]. He thinks if he wins there will be people who will say, 'Well, he got lucky. Maybe it was the weight and Manny was too small and Margarito was too big.' I feel, and he feels, he will carry this scandal the rest of his life.

"But I do believe it's going to diminish and you'll hear about it here and there and every time he fights it's always going to be written about and spoken about. It's going to always be there. It's tough to accept it."

So while Margarito aims to resurrect his reputation as best as he can, Pacquiao goes for more history. He's used to it.

From flyweight to welterweight, where he currently holds an alphabet title, Pacquiao has roared up the weight classes like nobody in boxing history. He set the mark of winning titles in seven divisions when he knocked out Miguel Cotto in the 12th round last November to win a welterweight belt.

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After one defense, a near shutout of Joshua Clottey at Jerry Jones' $1.2 billion Cowboys Stadium in March, Pacquiao is moving up in weight yet again to fight for the belt vacated earlier this year by Sergio Martinez, who went on to win the middleweight championship.

Pacquiao has never bragged about his run of titles. Instead, he has remained humble about his accomplishments and the possibility of adding another.

The Filipino icon -- he was elected to congress in his home country earlier this year -- showed little emotion when asked about the prospects of claiming another title.

"This is why I do my best in training this time," Pacquiao said. "This is going to be another record in boxing and I have to be in great condition to win. We consider this a very important fight in my whole career."

"All the people around him have made it into a big deal, but Manny has not," Arum said. "[Trainer] Freddie [Roach] is excited. [Adviser] Michael Koncz is excited. All the other guys around him are excited about it. Manny never even mentions it except when he's asked."

Arum knows a thing or two about fighters moving up the scales to win titles in multiple divisions. Besides promoting Pacquiao, he promoted Oscar De La Hoya for most of his career, during which he won belts in six weight classes before Pacquiao pummeled him into retirement.

Arum also promoted such fighters as Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns and Alexis Arguello, who all won titles in multiple divisions.

He won't be surprised if Pacquiao gets No. 8.

"Who would believe that after the first fight with Erik Morales [Pacquiao's last defeat in 2005] that he would be here in this kind of fight and be a congressman in the Philippines," Arum said. "Who would believe that he would come to Nevada [on a last-minute campaign appearance] and help win an election for the majority leader [Harry Reid] of the United States Senate? If I said things like that before he really did them you'd have said it was just typical Arum b-------. So nothing he does surprises me, including if he wins an eighth title."

Roach, Pacquiao's longtime trainer, has no problem bragging about the fighter he hooked up with in 2001 and helped lead to six of his titles.

"Manny's a freak, let's face it," Roach said. "We're not going to see another Manny Pacquiao in our lifetime. He's a once in a lifetime deal. If you get four world titles it's a big deal. One is hard enough. To win eight is unheard of. He continues to amaze me."

Roach was a well-known trainer even before Pacquiao came into his Hollywood, Calif., gym for the first time but with Pacquiao as his star pupil, Roach has reached a new level of fame.

So, of course, he's excited about the opportunity to be part of an eighth title.

"I feel great about it," Roach said. "It's a record that will stand for a long, long time. He's the history books and he's changed my life. Having Manny in my life has made me better and made me a better life. One day he walks into my gym as a 122-pounder. He breaks [Lehlo] Ledwaba's nose in the first round and knocks him out [in the sixth round]. The rest is history. Who would think we'd be here going for an eighth title?"

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AP Photo/LM OteroAntonio Margarito wants to make fight fans forget the hand wrap scandal by defeating Manny Pacquiao.

Margarito is happy just to be getting a chance to fight a major fight, one for which he'll make at least $3 million, a figure likely to more than double if the pay-per-view performs well.

He has maintained all along that it was his former trainer, Javier Capetillo, who put the illegal pads in his hand wraps, where they were discovered in the moments before he went to the ring for his knockout loss to Mosley.

After serving his year license revocation, Margarito did have a fight in Mexico in May under the guidance of new trainer Robert Garcia, a former junior lightweight titlist. Margarito did not look particularly good after such a long layoff as he outpointed the obscure Roberto Garcia (no relation to his trainer).

Then came the battle to get a license. Nevada tabled his request and told him to go to California first. California then denied him. Finally, Texas gave him one.

"I try not to dwell on the negative," Margarito said. "I know people will ask the questions and I have to answer the questions and I have no problem with them. To me, all I am concentrating right now is on the fight. I know it is going to be asked, but, for me, I have to concentrate on the fight. Everything is in the past and I can't wait until [Saturday].

"I thank God for getting this opportunity. Of course, Bob Arum has been behind me the whole time and I thank him, too. I know it is a great opportunity and I'm going to take advantage of it. I know how hard it was to make the fight real and I'm very happy that it's finally here."

@danrafaelespn If Manny beats Margarito & Mayweather fight still can't be made, Bob Arum named 3 possible opponents to me: Mosley, Marquez, Cotto rematch.

@danrafaelespn Manny Pacquiao said today during his time with the writers, and I quote, "This is not my last fight."
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I like Pac/Cotto II. Especially at the 154 limit. I remember when MAC was that dude on NT Boxing... he loses. And yall are easy to jump ship.. smh.
 
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I like Pac/Cotto II. Especially at the 154 limit. I remember when MAC was that dude on NT Boxing... he loses. And yall are easy to jump ship.. smh.
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I don't think moving up in weight will make a difference if Pac fights Cotto it's still going to be the same result Pac wins.
I think a Cotto pre Margarito fight would've been trouble for Pac. At this time I'd rather see Cotto vs Mosley. Not Pac vs either of those 3 names.
 
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I like Pac/Cotto II. Especially at the 154 limit. I remember when MAC was that dude on NT Boxing... he loses. And yall are easy to jump ship.. smh.
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   what are you talking about? everyone still loves cotto. but if he fights pacman he is getting knocked out again. doesnt matter what weight they fight at
 
everyones calling me crazy for boycotting the Margarito fight. Ohh well. Have fun this weekend guys. regular old day for me
 
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I like Pac/Cotto II. Especially at the 154 limit. I remember when MAC was that dude on NT Boxing... he loses. And yall are easy to jump ship.. smh.
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The Margarito loss changed him forever
 
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Lost amid the burgeoning storm that is the mega-fight between controversial Antonio Margarito and congressman Manny Pacquiao is a rarity of a title fight. Guillermo “El Chacal
 
Cotto is still much respected by me, I still feel for him from the Margarito fight as I was very uncomfortable with Antonio after what happened with Mosley.


Great fight for Pac.. He put his balls on the line a couple of times going against those ropes in a couple rounds. He soon realized he could get knocked down if he kept that up, but at that point Margarito had his eye closed. Manny just stuck to using his speed the rest of the fight and he prevailed.

Props to Manny looking out for Margarito. In the 11th looking at the ref like why are you continuing the fight. Props to Manny again for not going all out and trying to kill Margarito. I told the party I was with that it's going to be nearly impossibly for Margarito to get knocked out just because that chin of his, he just doesn't want to go down. It was close a few times, but Margarito is a warrior.

I still have some disrespect for Margarito after the plaster on the wraps. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't plaster his wraps before. I don't know, but it definitely tarnished his legacy of what could have been an amazing career. He'll never have that career IMO. He had a great victory over up-and-coming Cotto who looked like a MONSTER up to that point, but since then, no real SUPER impressive victories against the names that make you a legend.

As for Manny's next fight?

Marquez? Eh. Maybe if this was 2006.

Mosley is the most interesting of the three Arum supposedly mentioned. He's stronger, quicker, and notorious. It'd be a fun fight to watch, because Manny would have to watch out for that power of Mosley's.

Cotto? I want to see MAC fight someone like Margarito again, or someone who is a proven fighter before taking on Pac again. Not someone like Yuri Foreman.

Of course the obvious answer is Mayweather, and if it's not in Manny's next two fights, I don't think it'll happen. Hopefully Money May is just waiting for the perfect time under his conditions. I don't know, I want to see it, I want May to kill Pac, but I just don't know if it'll happen.

They threw around Paul Williams name on the telecast. Good God Manny would be in a world of trouble against The Punisher. That reach would be unbearable for Manny. There wasn't too much difference between Manny and Margarito as far as reach went. That's what probably sold Manny to take this fight. The first few rounds Margarito was weary to go in with Pac. The few times Manny got in the ropes and in trouble, he got hurt, and from that point forward, Margarito had his head lowered and that was BAD NEWS for him. The size seemed to maybe be an issue for 2 rounds to start, but if Margarito is going to leave his head open like that, it becomes much easier for Pac. If Paul Williams fought Pac? He could keep Pac at bay with that reach advantage. It's not just 5-6 inches height, but the reach.

Amir Khan was an intriguing name they threw out there for Manny. I'd pay my PPV money to watch this fight. When's last time Manny fought someone who's pretty much on top of their game? Cotto had already been tarnished, as had Ricky, as had Margarito. Clottey? Eh. Oscar? That fight was a money-fight, all it was. Only reason David Diaz got a shot was because he stopped an already bum-Morales. I'd love to see an Amir Khan/Pacquiao fight, but I just don't see it.
 
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They threw around Paul Williams name on the telecast. Good God Manny would be in a world of trouble against The Punisher. That reach would be unbearable for Manny. There wasn't too much difference between Manny and Margarito as far as reach went. That's what probably sold Manny to take this fight. The first few rounds Margarito was weary to go in with Pac. The few times Manny got in the ropes and in trouble, he got hurt, and from that point forward, Margarito had his head lowered and that was BAD NEWS for him. The size seemed to maybe be an issue for 2 rounds to start, but if Margarito is going to leave his head open like that, it becomes much easier for Pac. If Paul Williams fought Pac? He could keep Pac at bay with that reach advantage. It's not just 5-6 inches height, but the reach.

Amir Khan was an intriguing name they threw out there for Manny. I'd pay my PPV money to watch this fight. When's last time Manny fought someone who's pretty much on top of their game? Cotto had already been tarnished, as had Ricky, as had Margarito. Clottey? Eh. Oscar? That fight was a money-fight, all it was. Only reason David Diaz got a shot was because he stopped an already bum-Morales. I'd love to see an Amir Khan/Pacquiao fight, but I just don't see it.
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i am under the impression that you have not watched punisher all that much. punisher often fails to utilize what is clearly a definite reach advantage and is always more than willing to mix it up close up.

amir khan has not really done much to demonstrate that he is "at the top of his game" as you put it. until he beats maidana plus a top jr welter the likes of tim bradley, devon alexander or even victor ortiz, then he has not proven much at this stage in his career.
 
Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Cotto is still much respected by me, I still feel for him from the Margarito fight as I was very uncomfortable with Antonio after what happened with Mosley.


Great fight for Pac.. He put his balls on the line a couple of times going against those ropes in a couple rounds. He soon realized he could get knocked down if he kept that up, but at that point Margarito had his eye closed. Manny just stuck to using his speed the rest of the fight and he prevailed.

Props to Manny looking out for Margarito. In the 11th looking at the ref like why are you continuing the fight. Props to Manny again for not going all out and trying to kill Margarito. I told the party I was with that it's going to be nearly impossibly for Margarito to get knocked out just because that chin of his, he just doesn't want to go down. It was close a few times, but Margarito is a warrior.

I still have some disrespect for Margarito after the plaster on the wraps. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't plaster his wraps before. I don't know, but it definitely tarnished his legacy of what could have been an amazing career. He'll never have that career IMO. He had a great victory over up-and-coming Cotto who looked like a MONSTER up to that point, but since then, no real SUPER impressive victories against the names that make you a legend.

As for Manny's next fight?

Marquez? Eh. Maybe if this was 2006.

Mosley is the most interesting of the three Arum supposedly mentioned. He's stronger, quicker, and notorious. It'd be a fun fight to watch, because Manny would have to watch out for that power of Mosley's.

Cotto? I want to see MAC fight someone like Margarito again, or someone who is a proven fighter before taking on Pac again. Not someone like Yuri Foreman.

Of course the obvious answer is Mayweather, and if it's not in Manny's next two fights, I don't think it'll happen. Hopefully Money May is just waiting for the perfect time under his conditions. I don't know, I want to see it, I want May to kill Pac, but I just don't know if it'll happen.

They threw around Paul Williams name on the telecast. Good God Manny would be in a world of trouble against The Punisher. That reach would be unbearable for Manny. There wasn't too much difference between Manny and Margarito as far as reach went. That's what probably sold Manny to take this fight. The first few rounds Margarito was weary to go in with Pac. The few times Manny got in the ropes and in trouble, he got hurt, and from that point forward, Margarito had his head lowered and that was BAD NEWS for him. The size seemed to maybe be an issue for 2 rounds to start, but if Margarito is going to leave his head open like that, it becomes much easier for Pac. If Paul Williams fought Pac? He could keep Pac at bay with that reach advantage. It's not just 5-6 inches height, but the reach.

Amir Khan was an intriguing name they threw out there for Manny. I'd pay my PPV money to watch this fight. When's last time Manny fought someone who's pretty much on top of their game? Cotto had already been tarnished, as had Ricky, as had Margarito. Clottey? Eh. Oscar? That fight was a money-fight, all it was. Only reason David Diaz got a shot was because he stopped an already bum-Morales. I'd love to see an Amir Khan/Pacquiao fight, but I just don't see it.
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Your right. The reach would be unbearable. If, that is, Punisher decides to use it. For some reason he never wants to fight like a tall guy. I guess it's understandable, he doesn't have the greatest jab in the world. I think Pac's biggest problem would just be getting inside past those tarantula arms.

And I don't think Cotto was shot, he just had a bad corner who didn't give him any kind of tactical advice during the fight.

But I can't wait for Khan/Maidana.
 
Amir has done enough in my eyes to scare Manny. I don't think he has the name-power to get a big fight with Manny. Same goes for Berto.

Paul may not use his reach to his advantage as good as he should be able to, but even tonight Manny had some issues with Margarito's size at first.

Those issues would be worse with Paul, and he's much quicker than Margarito.
 
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