2013-2014 NBA Thread - IND @ WAS and OKC @ LAC on ESPN

[jjs07]

Ska talking to Larry David is like a Narcisse/Chalky White conversation

 

[darthska]

Oh, and I banned DBD.

Not that AnimalThug needs people to get off his back, because I know he's good.

But I'm saying, I banned DBD. If he comes back as a [trolling] tornado of attention next time, he'll be banned again. "Hai gaiz!! I'm back! Loook at meeeee!!!! "

No.

Any further explanation you guys need... is unimportant to me.

If DBD needs further explanation... (hi, bud 

)... he can PM me. Again.

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

Being a mod can go to your head...

 

[you big dummy]

good guy haslem http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1936205/trollhaslem_medium.gif

this guy.

 

[coldcity]

feel's

 

[tomdiginson]

DBD ?

 

[markangelo]

brb, can't find the NBA thread

 

[finallyfamous]

Am I in general?

 

[do work son]

feel's

 

[Bert.]

this thread sucks, too many trolls and nonsense

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

[COLOR=#red]The Extra Pass: Busting myths surrounding Blake Griffin, and Thursday’s recaps[/COLOR]


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In his first season playing in the league, Blake Griffin crushed any and all expectations. Now, just a few years later, he can’t seem to get out from under the weight of them.

Without diving in too deep as to why that is, it’s probably fair to say that Griffin isn’t treated as even-handedly as some of his contemporaries. Maybe it’s the athleticism or the commercials or the persona or the rapid ascension, but Griffin can never really seem to satisfy his critics.

As a result, this has led to a few common complaints being repeated ad nauseum, even though they aren’t necessarily rooted in truth.

Blake Griffin needs to develop a post game

You hear this a lot, but rarely is actual data brought in to the conversation.

According to My Synergy Sports, a service that breaks down and tracks every play type, Griffin scored .88 points per play out of the post last year. Post-up opportunities comprised 35 percent of his offense. How does that compare to some of the league’s best post scorers?

Blake Griffin: .88 PPP, 35% post-ups
Kevin Love: .85 PPP, 24.9% post-ups
LaMarcus Aldridge: .94 PPP, 33.7% post-ups
DeMarcus Cousins: .81 PPP, 24.9% post-ups

Very rarely do you hear anyone harp on Love, Aldridge or Cousins about needing to develop their post skills, but Griffin was a more prolific and more efficient scorer than everyone except for Aldridge last season.

Does he always make it look pretty down there? Certainly not, but saying that Griffin isn’t a good post scorer flies directly in the face of the facts.

When Griffin can’t dunk and play in transition, he can’t be effective

Griffin’s mid-range game is a work in progress, for sure. Still, here’s a list of players with at least 25 made field goals that Griffin is shooting a better percentage than from 10-22 feet:

Marc Gasol, Kevin Martin, Carmelo Anthony, Bradley Beal, Gordon Hayward.

It’s a small sample size, but it wouldn’t be a surprise to see Griffin be right around league-average from mid-range this year.

It also seems silly that Griffin’s production in the pick-and-roll (1.2 PPP in that setting this year) can be so easily ignored. Pick-and-rolls make up the strong majority of every half-court offense in the league, and Griffin has routinely been one of the best finishers in the league as a roll man.

Let’s not discount Griffin’s passing ability, either. With the exception of Kevin Love, Josh McRoberts and the Gasol brothers, no other power forward or center ranks above Griffin in assist opportunities per game, which is tracked by SportVU and is defined as “passes by a player to a teammate in which the teammate attempts a shot, and if made, would be an assist.”

That confirms what most people who watch Griffin every night already know. Griffin is drawing the attention of multiple defenders whenever he gets the ball, and he’s routinely finding teammates open shots.

Truth be told, Griffin is already the player a lot of people want him to become. The narrative being stuck in neutral is funny, really, because there are other much more legitimate critiques of Griffin readily available. He’s a poor free throw shooter. He’s an inconsistent defender that lacks focus. He doesn’t help protect the rim or defend the pick-and-roll well.

Those are the areas of improvement that could help Griffin take his game, and maybe the Clippers, to the next level. All this other stuff is just noise.




#FACTS



http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....rrounding-blake-griffin-and-thursdays-recaps/

 

[darthska]

 
brb, can't find the NBA thread

Am I in general?

this thread sucks, too many trolls and nonsense

My apologies, gentlemen. And Famous.

 

[ballinsam23]

Trey burke looking pretty good in limited minutes. The poor shooting % is obvious with a rookie playing his first games after a month into the season and will probably continue for a month or two.

I liked his decision making though. He seems fundamentally sound and he's pretty damn good in the PnR from what i've seen so far.

 

[antidope]

The god has returned

I really feel like I'm in 2003 watching this, all the way down to the Dipset sounding beat.

 

[$tacy]

D wag> d rose

 

[Bert.]

[COLOR=#red]The Extra Pass: Busting myths surrounding Blake Griffin, and Thursday’s recaps[/COLOR]



In his first season playing in the league, Blake Griffin crushed any and all expectations. Now, just a few years later, he can’t seem to get out from under the weight of them.

Without diving in too deep as to why that is, it’s probably fair to say that Griffin isn’t treated as even-handedly as some of his contemporaries. Maybe it’s the athleticism or the commercials or the persona or the rapid ascension, but Griffin can never really seem to satisfy his critics.

As a result, this has led to a few common complaints being repeated ad nauseum, even though they aren’t necessarily rooted in truth.

Blake Griffin needs to develop a post game

You hear this a lot, but rarely is actual data brought in to the conversation.

According to My Synergy Sports, a service that breaks down and tracks every play type, Griffin scored .88 points per play out of the post last year. Post-up opportunities comprised 35 percent of his offense. How does that compare to some of the league’s best post scorers?

Blake Griffin: .88 PPP, 35% post-ups
Kevin Love: .85 PPP, 24.9% post-ups
LaMarcus Aldridge: .94 PPP, 33.7% post-ups
DeMarcus Cousins: .81 PPP, 24.9% post-ups

Very rarely do you hear anyone harp on Love, Aldridge or Cousins about needing to develop their post skills, but Griffin was a more prolific and more efficient scorer than everyone except for Aldridge last season.

Does he always make it look pretty down there? Certainly not, but saying that Griffin isn’t a good post scorer flies directly in the face of the facts.

When Griffin can’t dunk and play in transition, he can’t be effective

Griffin’s mid-range game is a work in progress, for sure. Still, here’s a list of players with at least 25 made field goals that Griffin is shooting a better percentage than from 10-22 feet:

Marc Gasol, Kevin Martin, Carmelo Anthony, Bradley Beal, Gordon Hayward.

It’s a small sample size, but it wouldn’t be a surprise to see Griffin be right around league-average from mid-range this year.

It also seems silly that Griffin’s production in the pick-and-roll (1.2 PPP in that setting this year) can be so easily ignored. Pick-and-rolls make up the strong majority of every half-court offense in the league, and Griffin has routinely been one of the best finishers in the league as a roll man.

Let’s not discount Griffin’s passing ability, either. With the exception of Kevin Love, Josh McRoberts and the Gasol brothers, no other power forward or center ranks above Griffin in assist opportunities per game, which is tracked by SportVU and is defined as “passes by a player to a teammate in which the teammate attempts a shot, and if made, would be an assist.”

That confirms what most people who watch Griffin every night already know. Griffin is drawing the attention of multiple defenders whenever he gets the ball, and he’s routinely finding teammates open shots.

Truth be told, Griffin is already the player a lot of people want him to become. The narrative being stuck in neutral is funny, really, because there are other much more legitimate critiques of Griffin readily available. He’s a poor free throw shooter. He’s an inconsistent defender that lacks focus. He doesn’t help protect the rim or defend the pick-and-roll well.

Those are the areas of improvement that could help Griffin take his game, and maybe the Clippers, to the next level. All this other stuff is just noise.







http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....rrounding-blake-griffin-and-thursdays-recaps/

no one cares

SRS

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

no one cares

SRS

Now!

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

But nobody cares though

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

man I'm just trying to bring this thread back to basketball.


These guys arguing about who's a fighting rebel or whatever...

Lets get back to ball man..

 

[lawdog1]

Now!

I care, Certified. Good post. Repped.

 

[darthska]

 *Especially from you AnimalThug, you're generally cool peoples in my book.

I trust that your response fits for you as well, meaning you're done with this in here.

But before we part...

*warned* No personal attacks.

When I want to know what you think I sound like, or who should be banned, I'll ask you.

Toodles.

(Get the last word via PM if you must. I need something to ignore at work. But this needs to get back to the NBA. )

 

[larrydavid1]

After a rough return last game, no Iggy or Bogut, Steph Curry for 40+ tonight?

 

[licensed to ball]

So Zyzz complains that the thread sucks and it's nothing but trolls running around posting nonsense.

Then someone proceeds to try to bring the discussion back to basketball with an actual NBA related article.

Then Zyzz crosses out the entire article and says that no one cares.

Ha. The irony.

 

[rck3sactown]

no one cares

SRS

basically

 

[certifiedflyboi23]