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YES!
Cheating is basically ingrained into the culture and history of the game, no record are accurate or magical.
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Cheating is basically ingrained into the culture and history of the game, no record are accurate or magical.
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yup. and thats why these writers needs to accept that when voting on HOF inductees...the game has always been and will be full of tainted records.
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then wtf is the big deal shouldn't the writers know even more than us? Why are people being federally prosecuted?!?!
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because it's illegal..
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I hate today.
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However, if there are guys who did (supposedly) play clean (frank thomas/jim thome come to mind), isn't that a slap in the face to them for what they accomplished by NOT cheating?
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that's just it, though. "supposedly". when it's so ingrained within the game, you can't even assume innocence. would it surprise anyone outside of thome and thomas die hards if it came out that these guys were dirty? probably not.
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I don't even wanna know about cal....
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Griffey, Thome, Thomas etc. all cheated. They just didn't get caught.
If players are still willing to cheat when suspensions are on the line you're telling me players were staying clean when it was the wild wild west?
Personally, I don't care. Bonds is the GOAT. All those roids didn't stop us from taking Games 6 and 7 from them in the world series doe
If players are still willing to cheat when suspensions are on the line you're telling me players were staying clean when it was the wild wild west?
Personally, I don't care. Bonds is the GOAT. All those roids didn't stop us from taking Games 6 and 7 from them in the world series doe
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Wouldn't surprise me at all...however, I am sure there are guys who played the game clean. They'd have a legit gripe, but due to roids and other PEDs running rampant in MLB, it's hard to give anyone the benefit of the doubt.
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Erupt - accusing them is one thing...but how can you say for sure that they did use?
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Willie Mays did..
he basically admitted to it
he basically admitted to it
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But who gets to decide who actually gets prosecuted or not. There are plenty of players who just got slaps on the wrist
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players have an uninformed an warped view of "performance enhancing"
Kirk Gibson goes on the field with a million cc's of cortizone in his leg to hit this home run, and some how this didn't enhance his performance.
Kirk Gibson goes on the field with a million cc's of cortizone in his leg to hit this home run, and some how this didn't enhance his performance.
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So how long has the ASG winner determined who got home field in the World Series? When did they start to use that format?
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I thought the people who names were on the Balco list had to go in front of Congress, the ones who lied under oath got prosecuted. I could be wrong though...
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Griffey didn't cheat.
he couldn't of. or else my entire childhood is ruined
he couldn't of. or else my entire childhood is ruined
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This is tooth fairy therapy for grown people all over again
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Article is a lot of nonsense
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Why would they make such a dog and pony show out of it... There's plenty of names on the Mitchell report who denied those allegations but were never put up in front of congress unless they were an all star
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so then griffey wasn't on the list
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For me, Crush's explosion has more to do with change of scenery than PED's. I know our generation has been trained to be rightfully cynical, but you can't underestimate the removal of intense pressure in Texas. It was clear Davis was pressing at the plate and uncomfortable in his at-bats for the Rangers after his rookie season.
More people hate Bryce, more I like him. Shrugs.
More people hate Bryce, more I like him. Shrugs.
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It's 100% on point to me.
Barry Bonds is UNQUESTIONABLY the HR king and the greatest player of this generation, any argument to the contrary is ridiculous, the only one close is maybe A-Rod when he played short.
Also I 10000% believe baseball blackballed Bonds out of the game, when you see what lengths that idiot bud Selig is going to go after Braun.
Honestly I believe Barry could DH right now if he was still in baseball shape.
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Gloomy future for Hebrew Hammer.
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I saw Bonds on TV recently and he looked like he lost weight. Head was smaller
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