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Hope Thibs play through him. If he is going to max out...better he get as many reps as possible and not have to stand in the corner while Julius Randle eats up the shot clock Zangief spinning into the paint.
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Hope Thibs play through him. If he is going to max out...better he get as many reps as possible and not have to stand in the corner while Julius Randle eats up the shot clock Zangief spinning into the paint.
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Jim's track record since the 2012 Finals is too damning to blame the talent as to why the Rockets never got over the hump. He was at the center and the main integral factor in almost every scenario. Didn't matter what team he was up against, whether or not they had their star players in playoff series (in Kawhi or KD). Can't simultaneously say he is the system and then try and shift the blame to the others who he either requested to get or ran out; and also lamenting their lack of talent because really don't nobody wanna play in a Jim Harden system.
If CP0 wasn't as bad of a choker or even worse one than he was, the last image of Harden would have been getting eliminated by Lou Dort.
If CP0 wasn't as bad of a choker or even worse one than he was, the last image of Harden would have been getting eliminated by Lou Dort.
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This is either disingenuous or revisionist, not sure which
. Gordon played just as well if not better than Klay in those series. Iggy missed 4 outta 7 games in 2018. Pj balled out in 2019. You specifically were always talking about how trash Draymond was until the rockets lose and it's '5 all stars!'. And obviously KD blew a tire. The biggest difference is that the warriors best player is better than Houston's
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They fumbled, getting a chip wasn't insurmountable; but they were always the lesser team talent-wise.
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the opportunity was lost when Paul got hurt in 2018.
Durant got hurt late in the 3rd quarter of game 5. he put up 33/5/5 on 46/44/85 in the 5 games he played. he only missed 1 game. Meanwhile, Chris Paul played the whole series and put up a whopping 17/7/6 on 44/31/79. somehow people just let this go entirely.
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You put people in there like Harrison Barnes, but when it’s convenient
. Another chance the rockets had was in 2017...against a Spurs WITHOUT Kawhi. And this happened.Y’all had y’all chances man. And the rosters were not the reasons the rockets didn’t win. The rockets did as good as they could. Be proud of that.
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But they did compete with them. Had them on the verge of elimination in 2018 and blew it.
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harden ego trippin
can't see how this doesn't lower his value
people are onto him
can't see how this doesn't lower his value
people are onto him
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What did Harden do in the 4th quarter of Game 5 in a tie game? That was the moment to seize control of that series in 2019, but on script Jim came up small.
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That's because I know what I'm getting with Harden. I also knew they weren't going to the finals because their 2nd best player is a 4th rate "star" that can't shoot to save his life. Harden and the rest of the team not good enough to overcome that. Nobody on Earth thought him and Russ would beat Bron and AD in the playoffs.
All I'm saying is we haven't actually seen him play with another truly top tier star that is as good or better than him other than when he was 22 years old playing with KD. For as great as CP is/was, he's still a 6ft guard that perennially disappoints in the playoffs. This doesn't absolve Harden from playing below his standards in the 2 series against the Warriors either.
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Steph so much better than harden it's not even funny. Like, not even debatable. Shouldn't even be in the conversation with each other.
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Facts, hard to compete with them and they did but failed still. Guess the distinction has to be made here between being beat and not competing
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What did harden do in game 5 after KD got hurt? Vanished in the 4th and fell asleep on defense giving Klay a go ahead layup to seal the game. Then he let iggy go off in game 6 and had multiple turnovers at the worst possible times to kill any momentum the rockets had. We all watched this **** go down in real time bro
. At some point you just gotta accept he's not as good as you think he is
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Yea the teams who actually have assets won't want to give up huge capital when there's no assurances he'd resign and most of the teams on his list don't have great talent/assets to swap outside of Miami and Philly.
Kinda feel like nothing's gonna happen before the season and dude is gonna be chillin cashing checks on the sideline until one of those 2 get desperate and decide to give Houston what they'd want mid-season or in the offseason.
Can't see them trading him for anything less irregardless of how much he agitates things
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it's so ridiculous and hilarious to me at how good and effective harden is at guarding the post thooo lol
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The 2018 Conference FinalsWhat did harden do in game 5 after KD got hurt? Vanished in the 4th and fell asleep on defense giving Klay a go ahead layup to seal the game. Then he let iggy go off in game 6 and had multiple turnovers at the worst possible times to kill any momentum the rockets had. We all watched this **** go down in real time bro
Game 6 - 10/24 shooting, 4/12 from 3... 9 turnovers
Game 7 - 12/29 shooting, 2/13 from 3... 5 turnovers
The 2015 Conference Finals
Game 5 - 2/11 shooting, 12 turnovers
Game 3 - 3/16 shooting
Typical stuff.
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Is there anything other than NBA TV to watch Out of market games?
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completely fair. harden definitely deserves his share of criticism from coming up small in big moments against better teams, but which of those teams did the rockets have a realistic chance at beating? maybe san antonio? you can't on one hand trash him for not being good enough to win a chip then blame him for losing to teams you say are better than the rockets. you can't have that both ways.
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Abby back@JD617
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Abby Chin returning to NBC Sports Boston - The Boston Globe
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Abby > Kyle Draper (dude always get his ****ty takes blocked by Scal. Though Kyle got a job with the Kings so that’s good for him)
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The talent level between Harden and steph isnt that big.
One guy chooses to play team basketball on both sides of the floor and be a leader. That same guy is also a great teammate willing to sacrifice and get coached .
One guy chooses to play team basketball on both sides of the floor and be a leader. That same guy is also a great teammate willing to sacrifice and get coached .
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I don’t know him personally but let’s act like hardens been paired with guys that have the most pristine track records of being good teammates. It goes both ways
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If he calls himself elite, he better play D
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I think there's a difference between opportunities presenting themselves and not being capitalized on and whether you'd pick a team to win or not. There were definitely opportunities for the Rockets to win in both 2018 and 2019 against the Warriors, but I don't really remember anybody outside of Rockets fans themselves picking them to actually win the series.
People picked the Warriors because Curry is better than Harden, and KD is worlds better than CP.
Personally I think things would be a bit different if you were to say...swap KD and CP in the equation.
