2021-22 NFL Off-Season Thread | Training Camp

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NY media and radio barely even acknowledges the Giants. When they do, it’s how bad Mara has been and how awful Daniel Jones is and what a mistake it is allowing him to prove himself again after he’s been awful and the reasoning for him being awful is that he’s had to deal with new coaches every year. He’ll have another new coaching staff this year so what’s gonna be the excuse this year when the Giants win 4 games and he’s garbage again?

The city hates Daniel Jones.

You can’t trade Saquon, he’s the only player that’s fun to watch. The rest of this team is trash.

I have no faith in this new HC and GM already. Bringing in a bunch of players and coaches from the Bills. How many SBs the Bills won in the last five years? How many SBs they been to? So now we the South Bills, sounds great. Top 5 pick next year. Rinse and repeat.

Problem is both franchises missed on QB and they both always seem to miss on QB. Eli Manning pedigree is what earned him all those extra chances. Manning brand is also why they’re holding on to Jones, it’s almost like they can’t understand why he is not taking that next step forward.
Jones has been given weapons at RB/WR/TE. Then the Giants needed to retool on defense.

Can Jones improvise or is he very mechanical in his reads and progressions

 

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It’s not like they’ve had the worst oline in the league since he’s been there and haven’t been trying to retool that line for over a decade now.

 

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It’s not like they’ve had the worst oline in the league since he’s been there and haven’t been trying to retool that line for over a decade now.

If Jones is a mechanical QB this would be a huge issue. He probably has to stand a certain way in the pocket… the receivers have to be at their position at exactly their count for the route and the oline has to hold back the pressure for exactly their count as well for the play to be successful.

Probably works well in college with superior talent.. you have to improvise in the pros

I’ve also come to realize how mechanical and exacting NFL playbooks actually are.
Routes actually have a speed/height/agility rating to them (moreso speed/agility now that QBs are rarely throwing high anymore). which is why coaches are always saying they don’t have the right personnel.

It’s all very mathematical with some physics sprinkled in

 

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Damn, hate that for Debo if true

 

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[jpzx]

Jets can’t be serious bringing in Jimmy after where they drafted Zach Wilson and then starting him in Year 1. Just a waste.

 

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Yeah, I agree. You see these stats and you think damn, he deserves another season or four.

Bengals went to the Super Bowl last year and had a worse ranked offensive line.

The problem is, they drafted a mediocre QB that was never great in high school or college and expected him to be great. Why?

More turnovers than TDs, can’t play a full season and he chokes. But yes, let’s give him another year and expect something different.

IMAGINE BEING DRAFTED 6TH OVERALL AND HAVING 6TH ROUND EXPECTATIONS.

36 fumbles, 29 interceptions, 45 TDs and 12 wins in three season. Giants would be lucky to get a 5th round draft pick for him tomorrow. He’s ****in garbage.

 

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You referring to D.Jones or Z.Wilson?

 

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If Jones is a mechanical QB this would be a huge issue. He probably has to stand a certain way in the pocket… the receivers have to be at their position at exactly their count for the route and the oline has to hold back the pressure for exactly their count as well for the play to be successful.

Probably works well in college with superior talent.. you have to improvise in the pros

I’ve also come to realize how mechanical and exacting NFL playbooks actually are.
Routes actually have a speed/height/agility rating to them (moreso speed/agility now that QBs are rarely throwing high anymore). which is why coaches are always saying they don’t have the right personnel.

It’s all very mathematical with some physics sprinkled in

there is also such a thing as talent....giants have very little on offense.....staying healthy is key part of being part of a talented group.....9ers rookie mitchell(6th round pick!) has more 100 yard games than barkley....barkley just 1 100 yard rushing game his past 15 games.....is it all on him? no, giants will be replacing 4 guys from the Oline this year.....how many teams can say that? WRs, toney and kenny were in and out of games all year..... DJ def does not look like a starter in this league but don't act like Brady/Wilson/Rodgers etc take this team to the playoffs.


I see why the giants are giving DJ one more year,.....his best offensive year TD wise was his rookie year, that was also his most TO year...again he was a rookie......that was one year in that offense, then he had the jason garrett offense, the guy who last called plays 10 years prior and was relieved of those duties...def feel his pocket awareness improved over the last 2 seasons in that horrible system.....what else should the giants do? trading for wilson or waton would have been amazing idea but trading the assets needed would still have the giants with lack of talent for at least next 2 years.......now they get to see DJ and if he fails they can draft a QB next year......
no one thought drew brees was a franchise QB after his 3rd season.

I would have liked to trade a 3rd for Jimmy G

I feel bad for judge i think he is a good leader, but it seems they forced on him jason garrett as the O coordinator.....which clearly led to his downfall.

 

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You referring to D.Jones or Z.Wilson?

I didn’t like Zach coming out of college but he’s only had one year and his QB coach was killed before the season started and I don’t think they replaced him. I would take him over Danny Donations though.

 

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Yeah, I agree. You see these stats and you think damn, he deserves another season or four.

Bengals went to the Super Bowl last year and had a worse ranked offensive line.

The problem is, they drafted a mediocre QB that was never great in high school or college and expected him to be great. Why?

More turnovers than TDs, can’t play a full season and he chokes. But yes, let’s give him another year and expect something different.

IMAGINE BEING DRAFTED 6TH OVERALL AND HAVING 6TH ROUND EXPECTATIONS.

36 fumbles, 29 interceptions, 45 TDs and 12 wins in season. Giants would be lucky to get a 5th round draft pick for him tomorrow. He’s ****in garbage.

lol their Olines are both bad for sure, but you state worse Oline as if the giants are avg and Bengals are among the worst......incorrect.....oh and lets just forget that Bangals had a QB that played hot towards end of the season much respect to Joe b for sure, but he did have not only 2 pro bowl players but two ALL PRO players who were healthy all season. lets talk facts and not lie and say injured bust barkley is a exciting player when Joe mixson has had by far the better career


or do you really think giants win less or same games and DJ has same or less stats with TWO ALL PRO players?

 

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there is also such a thing as talent....giants have very little on offense.....staying healthy is key part of being part of a talented group.....9ers rookie mitchell(6th round pick!) has more 100 yard games than barkley....barkley just 1 100 yard rushing game his past 15 games.....is it all on him? no, giants will be replacing 4 guys from the Oline this year.....how many teams can say that? WRs, toney and kenny were in and out of games all year..... DJ def does not look like a starter in this league but don't act like Brady/Wilson/Rodgers etc take this team to the playoffs.


I see why the giants are giving DJ one more year,.....his best offensive year TD wise was his rookie year, that was also his most TO year...again he was a rookie......that was one year in that offense, then he had the jason garrett offense, the guy who last called plays 10 years prior and was relieved of those duties...def feel his pocket awareness improved over the last 2 seasons in that horrible system.....what else should the giants do? trading for wilson or waton would have been amazing idea but trading the assets needed would still have the giants with lack of talent for at least next 2 years.......now they get to see DJ and if he fails they can draft a QB next year......
no one thought drew brees was a franchise QB after his 3rd season.

I would have liked to trade a 3rd for Jimmy G

I feel bad for judge i think he is a good leader, but it seems they forced on him jason garrett as the O coordinator.....which clearly led to his downfall.

They’re literally punting away another season. You can’t say, we’ve put too many new coaches around him and that’s why he sucks. Then do it again and expect different results.

Brees was better his first year of playing that Danny Donations ever was. Brees was also a second round pick, not the ****in 6th overall.

 

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lol their Olines are both bad for sure, but you state worse Oline as if the giants are avg and Bengals are among the worst......incorrect.....oh and lets just forget that Bangals had a QB that played hot towards end of the season much respect to Joe b for sure, but he did have not onluy 2 pro bowl players but two ALL PRO players who were healthy all season. lets talk facts and not lie and say injured bust barkley is a exciting player when Joe mixson has had by far the better c

Can’t be serious.

The expectations for Burrow and Jones are the same. Two top QB picks. One has looked like a franchise player, one hasn’t. Since Burrow came in the league, everyone been saying how sorry his team is and how they are. He’s turned them around. What the **** has Danny done? Nothing but suck **** and get hurt.


Saquon has been hurt but he’s also been rushed back on the field cause the team sucks. He blew out his knee because he wasn’t healthy. Last year he was rushed out and wasn’t good. When he’s healthy, he’s the only fun player to watch. I’ve been watching this team for almost 30 years. It’s never been this bad. The city knows it.


Let’s take a ****in poll, how many people here want Daniel Jones as their QB? I can answer. ****IN NONE.

 

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They’re literally punting away another season. You can’t say, we’ve put too many new coaches around him and that’s why he sucks. Then do it again and expect different results.

Brees was better his first year of playing that Danny Donations ever was. Brees was also a second round pick, not the ****in 6th overall.

where brees got drafted doesnt matter, like I stated no one would dare say drew brees was a franchise QB after his 3rd season, heck the chargers drafted his replacement after his 3rd season.....NO ONE expected him to ball out his 4th season......if anyone besides you thought he was a HOF franchsise QB after the chargers drafted rivers a team would have TRADED FOR HIM

dont get me wrong i'm expecting DJ to fail, if he Is a franchise QB its a middle of the road tannehill type not a HOF.....that hope has sailed, I doubt this kid can even last 8 games....clearly didnt drink his milk

BUT I see why the giants are giving it a shot, what other options did they have? Jimmy G? thats all I see that made sense....watson or wilson wouldnt as our talent is no where near ready to support those QBs

 

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Can’t be serious.

The expectations for Burrow and Jones are the same. Two top QB picks. One has looked like a franchise player, one hasn’t. Since Burrow came in the league, everyone been saying how sorry his team is and how they are. He’s turned them around. What the **** has Danny done? Nothing but suck **** and get hurt.


Saquon has been hurt but he’s also been rushed back on the field cause the team sucks. He blew out his knee because he wasn’t healthy. Last year he was rushed out and wasn’t good. When he’s healthy, he’s the only fun player to watch. I’ve been watching this team for almost 30 years. It’s never been this bad. The city knows it.


Let’s take a ****in poll, how many people here want Daniel Jones as their QB? I can answer. ****IN NONE.

expectations may be the same but Joe is clearly better...hes one of the top young QBs in the league....there is no comparison....you wanted to take a dump on DJ and bring up how joe has taken the same or similar talent level to the super bowl....thats simply not the case.....joe is better and had way better talent, heathly talent. joe didnt do it on his own....those 2 all pros had big part

I never stated it made sense for giants to bring him because he is clearly a franchise QB in this league, it made sense because what other move is there? its jimmy G or Daniel Jones or baker mayfield those are the options....why give up on DJ when you can see how the season goes and draft a Q B next year


back to barkley, I wasnt aware they rushed him from a injury to start the season.....his first 4 games to start the season he avg less than 50 yards a game.....

 

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Bengals would have missed the playoffs if they had Daniel Jones last year. Pitt would have probably broken his back by week 8 and he’d be done.

He is ****in trash and he’s ****in injury prone. But the owner doesn’t want to admit they ****** up (same reason he kept Gettleman for far too long and tried bringing him back this year) and also likes him because he reminds him of his own son.

There’s a reason the ratings and gear sales are way down. The team, the QB and everyone around ****in sucks. I didn’t buy **** from this team last year, won’t buy **** this year. **** the Giants, **** John Mara and **** Daniel Jones

 

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We get it

 

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I dont know why jordan love is not being talked about.....thats a guy the giants, pantehrs, seahawks texans should all be offering picks to packers for. maybe a 3rd this year and 4th next

 

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I dont know why jordan love is not being talked about.....thats a guy the giants, pantehrs, seahawks texans should all be offering picks to packers for. maybe a 3rd this year and 4th next

I mean for what though?

 

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I mean for what though?

oh come on ,thats not enough of sample size and going from pine to starting Rodgers team thats even more pressure....hes cheap young makes sense for a team to try to trade for him

 

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I’d cut Dani and offer a 5th for Love

 

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oh come on ,thats not enough of sample size and going from pine to starting Rodgers team thats even more pressure....hes cheap young makes sense for a team to try to trade for him

But it’s also not enough of a sample size to say he’s worth two picks IMO

There’s plenty of cheap and young QBs with no experience in the league

 

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If Love looked that good, they’d be moving on from AR. They know they ****** up and are trying to bury him on the sideline and forget about it.

 

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Yeah, I agree. You see these stats and you think damn, he deserves another season or four.

Bengals went to the Super Bowl last year and had a worse ranked offensive line.

The problem is, they drafted a mediocre QB that was never great in high school or college and expected him to be great. Why?

More turnovers than TDs, can’t play a full season and he chokes. But yes, let’s give him another year and expect something different.

IMAGINE BEING DRAFTED 6TH OVERALL AND HAVING 6TH ROUND EXPECTATIONS.

36 fumbles, 29 interceptions, 45 TDs and 12 wins in three season. Giants would be lucky to get a 5th round draft pick for him tomorrow. He’s ****in garbage.

Exactly. Being turnover prone like that is not fixable. That’s who he is.

Dude is a turnover machine