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pujols was on a decent track to flirt with the hr record. was at 445 after his last season with stl at 31yo
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I’m going with Griffey just cause he ain’t use steroids...his stats are still impressive despite an injury plagued career in Cincy...arod and bonds had great careers also but the steroids taints it....they might not even make the hall of fame
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Just cause they don't make a corrupted hall of fame voted by baseball writers who never played the game and people Bonds bullied doesn't make him not the best player in the game. No player and I mean no player was more feared than Bonds in the early 2000's.
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Yea but that’s just early 2000s. I love Bonds but he wasn’t looked at like that from the start. Late 80s through 90s, I don’t remember him being talked about like Griffey and Arod. In “Book of Shadows” from interviews with ppl close to Bonds and with BALCO, that’s the main reason he started using to begin with.
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So, no consensus. Kinda what I figured. Interesting poll idea.
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What.....Bonds was widely considered one of the best young players in the game coming up. He hit 84 jacks in his first four professional seasons and then won the MVP in his fifth professional season. Bonds won 3 MVPs in his first 9 seasons. Griffey didn't win his first til year 8..... ARod batted a collective .220 in his first 200 AB's in Seattle and then burst onto the scene in Year Three with an MVP season.
Not sure how you could say he wasn't looked at that way from the start...He was 3.5 WAR player in his rookie season. For comparison, AROD was negative in his first two seasons, Griffey was 3.3 in his rookie year.
Can't sit here and say Bonds wasn't widely considered a stud coming up..
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bonds >
three time mvp by 1993
Only member of the 500 500 club
and this in 98
three time mvp by 1993
Only member of the 500 500 club
and this in 98
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Bonds 10 year splits 1986-1996 334 Home Runs, 1000 RBI's, 360 SB's 3 MVPS, 7 AS's, 6 GG's. Those in itself are border line HOF numbers.
1997-2007 428 HR's, 998 RBI's, 134 SB's and 4 MVPS and 9 ASG.
Laughable, dude put up hall of fame splits in two career worth and you wanna debate roids?
1997-2007 428 HR's, 998 RBI's, 134 SB's and 4 MVPS and 9 ASG.
Laughable, dude put up hall of fame splits in two career worth and you wanna debate roids?
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Wait Griffey!? He only has one MVP - love him but not in the GOAT convo
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bonds was 2x MVP and would've had them Ps in the WS if they didnt blow the lead
this was before even wearing a SF uniform
split his caeer in half and that's two top 10 stretches
this was before even wearing a SF uniform
split his caeer in half and that's two top 10 stretches
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No one is saying he wasn’t a stud. I even said he’s at the top as possibly the goat earlier, I’m not disagreeing with you. You said most feared player to step to the plate in the early 2000s. I agree, he was. Im just saying that wasn’t the sense throughout his career. That’s not saying he he wasn’t a stud then wait her though.
But you could make the argument that Albert Pujols was in that same convo during that timespan (01-07). Hell, if you wanted to look at those numbers from that time Pujols hit more homeruns and had more RBIs.
But you could make the argument that Albert Pujols was in that same convo during that timespan (01-07). Hell, if you wanted to look at those numbers from that time Pujols hit more homeruns and had more RBIs.
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Exactly...the sentimental attachment to Griffey clouds the fact that the gap between him and others like Bonds and ARod was large.
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You said Bonds wasn't feared early in his career but won 3 MVPS in his first 9 seasons. How is a player that does that not feared early on his career?
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Were they intentionally walking him with the bases loaded early in his career? No they didn’t. He was still pitched to and wasn’t nearly walked or pitched around the way he was late in his career.
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Griffey was en route like others have said, but the second half of his career deaded the GOAT conversation. Which is unfortunate because growing up in the 90's I was as big a fan of his as any.
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Got it, so players who put up less numbers are more feared because to be feared you need to be walked with the bases loaded?
Great logic.
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You have trouble comprehending things huh? User name very appropriate. Moving on
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Moving on because your argument changed three times.
First it was he wasn't feared early on his career=3 MVPS before Year 10.
Then it was he wasn't feared early on his career as he was later on his career=4 more MVPS before end of career.
Then it was he wasn't feared early on his career because he wasn't intentionally walked even though his numbers rivaled Griffey.
Great goalpost moving, but yes moving along, you're right.
First it was he wasn't feared early on his career=3 MVPS before Year 10.
Then it was he wasn't feared early on his career as he was later on his career=4 more MVPS before end of career.
Then it was he wasn't feared early on his career because he wasn't intentionally walked even though his numbers rivaled Griffey.
Great goalpost moving, but yes moving along, you're right.
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Change three times? Comprehension man. Yea because you can’t read or hear anything that downplays your narrative. Which knowing how you are in the NFL thread, probably never should of engaged in the first place
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He's borderline incapable of having a discussion about sports without getting offended.
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The only narrative I had was Barry is the best player in the game, a claim that I backed with stats and which you said didn't count because he "wasn't intentionally walked or feared that way early on his career", an argument which you changed your argument 3x different times in 3 separate posts but you're right I'm the one to worry about.
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Offended about what? I posted the stats that clearly show Bonds as one of the most dominant players in the game, ever.
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Not at all what I said. Was giving examples but keep doing you. I mean Albert Pujols was probably the more feared hitter during that timespan you mentioned, but keep pushing.
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