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Obama can't win. Son gets cock blocked at epic levels.
He rescues an old lady from a burning house........................ he gets accused of being the one that started the fire in the first place.
ACA: Affordable Care Act (better known as OBAMACARE) - Enrollment Starts October 1st - You In?
He rescues an old lady from a burning house........................ he gets accused of being the one that started the fire in the first place.
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you just went full fascist. you NEVER go full fascist.
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this would've been a great idea when our economy was still booming from 90-2007 or so.
these companies would much rather close up shop than to pay the amount it costs to insure full time workers.
these companies would much rather close up shop than to pay the amount it costs to insure full time workers.
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Well I guess its better than being called a "commie" or "socialist"
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Two things.
1. It's not that Obamacare is forcing these major companies to shift towards part-time work. It's that these major companies are shifting to avoid paying for their employee's health. It's not like these companies are small and will be going out of business by having to cover the costs... they just want to protect the profit margins. In this instance, I think it's wrong to blame Obamacare for implementing what already exists in other "first-world" countries in our own -- blame the companies who are unwilling to protect their workers if it means a loss of profit. Places like Canada, the UK, Cuba, and even Singapore have surpassed the U.S. in terms of Healthcare -- and providing Healthcare for their entire populations has undeniably been a major part of the reason why their systems offer better care at a lower price than ours does.
2. Correllation =/= Cause. While in this case it's true that the increase in part time workers has been, at least somewhat, effected by the implementation of Obamacare, that is NOT always the case. It's also very obvious that Obamacare is not the ONLY factor in the increase. It's also true that job opportunities have been growing more scarce (due to a weak economy, and less of a need for low-skill work thanks to technology,) and the size of our population continues to grow while the number of jobs stays relatively the same. It's not just that these companies don't want to front the bill to pay for healthcare. A part of the problem is that there aren't enough jobs to go around in the first place. Instead of hiring 1 skilled professional to work in a position, it is more adventageous for a company to hire 2 or 3 recent college grads or otherwise unemployed people part-time at a lower hourly rate without the added costs of employee benefits.
In the bigger picture, I think it's insane that the American people haven't demanded a system like the NHS in UK up to this point. Now that it's coming to fruition, people are actually fighting against something that will improve their quality of life because the TV tells them it's bad. That, above everything else, makes me worry about the future.
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bingo.its all the same thingits just has slight variations to the main term.
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Not a fan of the ACA as a whole and it will have SIGNIFICANT effects on the health care system and not in a good way. There are some components of the plan that I do like but not as a whole. Dont have time to go into all the details many large universities are already starting to prepare for the consequences as are many corporations and small businesses.
Not too many of my co workers are too happy with it either.
Not too many of my co workers are too happy with it either.
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If Republicans hate the PPACA so bad, why not let it happen and if it fails, they can run on reform.
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its all the same thingits just has slight variations to the main term.
They're not the same, there's fundamental differences in both.
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its all the same thing
They're not the same, there's fundamental differences in both.
they all use government as the way to control things. all use "equality" and "for the people" when it does the complete opposite.
fascism= gubmint and corporations run things
socialism= gubmint runs things
communism= gubmint runs things
theres no place now that is operating under the dictionary terms.
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Part of problem is that the Republican party is incredibly divided -- to the point that even if the Republicans had the White House and majority in both Senate & House, it'd still be tough for them to get anything done because there are so many different views and philosophies that would be in conflict. The Republican party is a massive umbrella for a plethora of different conservative/traditional views -- The Tea Party, Traditional Right Wingists, Moderates, Progressive Traditionalists... (see more here). There is even a new group of younger republicans coming out of the wood works, that are beginning to label themselves as "Independent" (but really run under the Republican ticket) who are often only a few years removed from high positions within different corporate organizations. They tend to favor lobbying, and in many instances it seems like companies said to hell with finding lobbyists to persuade politicians, and that they'd be better off grooming ones for themselves. Don't know of many, but a guy named Cam Winton here in Minnesota fits the bill pretty well. (More info on him, and what I'm trying to get at here)
The impending shutdown is a hint towards a looming problem that is much bigger than just whether or not the ACA will be funded -- and I, for one, think that it hints towards the idea of our government being inherently broken (or, in the very least, that so many people have taken advantange of the loop holes that it might as well be broken,) and that major changes need to be imposed before we have to worry about an impending shutdown after every congressional session.
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No in communism the government doesn't compete with no one because it owns all the business. It also controls its economy though a single authoritarian party.
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Absolutely NO reason to be pissed at all unless you believe all this doom and gloom stuff.
HOWEVER, if you are single and your adjusted income (gross less deductions) is over 200,000, then you maybe subject to a 3.8% Net Investment Income Tax and/or a 0.9% Medicare surtax. A lot of different scenarios depending on your personal situation and if you have investment income. Now if you're in this category of taxpayers, then yah you should be pissed!
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I appreciate the sentiment of this thread, but it's pretty useless since nobody knows what's actually in the bill. Each state has their own exchange, so prices and coverage will depend on where you live.
If we're honest, nobody knows what's actually in the bill beyond the talking points. The bill is 2000 pages, and the language outlining the implementation is another 20,000. Several dozen states have yet to get their exchange systems up and running, so no matter how much we want it to work, it's going to be a disaster for another couple months (or even years) until all of the kinks are worked out.
If we're honest, nobody knows what's actually in the bill beyond the talking points. The bill is 2000 pages, and the language outlining the implementation is another 20,000. Several dozen states have yet to get their exchange systems up and running, so no matter how much we want it to work, it's going to be a disaster for another couple months (or even years) until all of the kinks are worked out.
The problem is not whether it fails, it's that no government program has been repealed after it's failed.
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Why do people keep saying 'nobody knows what's in the bill?' It's been out for a while.
http://housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf
http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights/law/index.html
http://housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf
http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights/law/index.html
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Stop making sense.
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What do you mean by disaster though? Like people buying medical insurance through the exchange and the doctor denying the insurance? I live in Ca, and the exchange website is up and running so folks can now price out the different tiers of insurance coverage. I know several families with precondition medical issues that will GREATLY benefit from these reduced premiums. A friend of mine, a mother of two, who has Diabetes, is looking forward to getting better medical insurance for her diabetes treatment and insulin supplies. She has been DENIED insurance or have had ridiculous high deductibles. She tells me she owes about 10 grand just on unpaid medical bills. Yes she works, and her employer doesn't provide insurance.
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I'm wondering what incentive there is to get insurance before getting ill if they can't deny pre-existing conditions? the fine for noncompliance can't be more than a monthly premium, right?
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The fine is relatively small the first year of implementation.
But yah that's one of the issues of this mandate is how to get healthy young people to buy health insurance.
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Early reports are saying the monthly premiums are lower than projected by the CBO. Take the sources FWIW
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox...s_will_be_cheaper_than_the_cbo_projected.html
http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/23/new...aign=Feed:+rss/money_topstories+(Top+Stories)
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/05/10/1994331/obamacare-forcing-insurers-lower-premiums/
Having insurance companies compete is a great thing IMO, I thought the GOP and Tea Party were all about the 'free market'.
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How many people do you know who have actually read it though? Let alone understand it. This isn't exactly a 1000 page book report we're talking about here. Not only is it written in complex legal jargon, almost every paragraph requires you to go back and reference another paragraph.
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If you look at the second link, it breaks it down. I was just responding to that repeated myth of 'nobody knows'. Also, all bills/act whatever are filled with complex legal jargon, and many pages that's what happens when lawyers write these things. TBH, if a person really wants to know they'll have to take the time out to read/research not just repeat talking points.
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when you guys are done debatin and deliberatin, can you tell me if this is good or not? (I have insurance, but I wanna know would it be beneficial if I wanted insur but had no job supplying it)
