Felt the same way on those Mars 4s. I remember trying mine on and the first step in them put a nasty crease in. The subway foot long shape, the rubber lace holders that were all soft and pliable, ugh I don't even want to think of it.I grabbed a pair of Fire Red Mars IV's in 2006 the morning they came out. I decided to return them later that day due to the materials being so thin and the shape looking ridiculous. They just sucked. I'm guessing that was his doing.