All Eyez On Me teaser - RIP 2pac Vol. Goddamn it's been 20 years already?!?!

[BIG LEEMELONE]

The thing with this movie and a lot of other biopics is that the director kinda assumes that you already know at least some of the story and can fill in the blanks for yourself. I found myself doing this frequently and kind of excusing the producers for not having the time to spell everything out for me

 

[hunnybear]

you know what would be dope is if someone had the balls to do a 2pac fake death movie and the whole screenplay was on some oceans 11 type deal, u know a lil more of a light hearted take on Pac.  I'm sure the director would get lynched the next day but hey itd be interesting

 

[hunnybear]

Post death row?
Lol, I thought you were saying he left Deathrow but I got you meant after he joined

yeah im stupid my bad, pre death row and after joining death row.  The ending to the first movie could be Suge bailin him out

 

[nflowshoe]

you know what would be dope is if someone had the balls to do a 2pac fake death movie and the whole screenplay was on some oceans 11 type deal, u know a lil more of a light hearted take on Pac.  I'm sure the director would get lynched the next day but hey itd be interesting

 

[P C H]

 
no real Pac fan will ever claim 2pac is perfect, no idea where you got that from.  He was a deeply flawed person which is what made his story even more great.

He was a modern day revolutionary simply by taking all the dirt in society and putting a camera lens on it so other people outside of the hood would give a **** and try to help people out.  I dunno how old you were when Pac was alive doin his thing but NO, NOT EVERY RAPPER WAS DOIN THAT.  Just because you aren't doin black panther **** don't mean you're not a revolutionary.  There's many ways people can do different **** to be considered a revolutionary.  He was making real songs, real music, and thats why so many people responded to him.  

yeah he was bangin, goin hard, doin this and that, well hey he was a real dude. sometimes real dudes gotta do real ****, and he never claimed he was perfect.  you don't gotta be perfect to try to uplift your people.  you do what you can with what you got.  Black panthers werent perfect and doin innocent **** either while they were being "revolutionaries".

“The tragedy of Tupac is that his untimely passing is representative of too many young black men in this country....If we had lost Oprah Winfrey at 25, we would have lost a relatively unknown, local market TV anchorwoman. If we had lost Malcolm X at 25, we would have lost a hustler named Detroit Red. And if I had left the world at 25, we would have lost a big-band trumpet player and aspiring composer--just a sliver of my eventual life potential.”

― Quincy Jones

 
You can't be a part activist / part gang member who advocates young black males killing each other.

It doesn't work like that

 

[degenerate423]

cause these are gang members this wasn't about no rap ish

a real crip murked a famous rapper that was tryna be a blood, cause that rapper violated all street codes

So, it wasn't just retaliation for being stomped out?

 

[VARNELL HILL]

The only critique i'd like to hear is from Mutulu. ****** got Facebook in jail...hopefully he gets to see the film when it releases on home video. 

 

[P C H]

So, it wasn't just retaliation for being stomped out?

Not really because Orlando and those fools were already trying to get Pac and Suge. The bounty was on their heads.

It was already set in motion. If Pac didn't get hit in Vegas IMO he would have gotten hit in LA.

Orlando and Southside were in vegas separate from Pac. They didn't know Pac was there. Once Pac and Suge jumped him, they then looked at the situation / night as a prime opportunity to cash in on the bounty that was already over Pac and Suge's head.

 

[jaymosenvied]

Just got back from movies. I enjoyed it. There was a lot to cover but I thought he did a great job on the role. Had the mannerisms down and everything. Ending was ok. Should have ended like Selena and showed the fans react to his death and the impact he on them.

 

[VARNELL HILL]

 

- Everyone has their good/bad qualities. That's where the whole "devil on one shoulder, angel on the other" concept comes from. 

- He died at 25. To put that in perspective...that's the same age as people like Young Thug, Travis Scott, Migos, etc. are now. So keep in mind that he's still VERY VERY young while this is all going on.

-  If you ****** keep telling me that rap is "entertainment" and that these guys are characters...I'll gladly choose the one that's hiding the medicine in the candy as opposed to 100% nonsense. People often note that people like Kendrick, Cole, etc. won't ever fully make the impact on the ones that need it the most...because they're going to write it off because the look and sound doesn't resonate. That might quite literally be the #1 reason why Pac is regarded as highly as he is today. He captured EVERYONE...including the ones that needed to hear it the most because he resonated with them.

- Nobody remembers Pac for being an "activist" foremost. He was the biggest voice, in the biggest cultural influencer of our generation - Hip Hop - and he not only spoke about the black plight in his music...but he was showing up at town hall discussions in Bingo hall backrooms...front and center with the hood...discussing social issues. This is also before the internet, so there was no ulterior motives there. No videographers to tape that and cut a 5 minute recap to make him "seem like" a leader.

- The idea that a negative aspect of his character portrayal negates everything else he represented is a bit of a reach. You show me anyone who was revered for using their platform to speak on issues that didn't have bad publicity out there for SOMETHING. 

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

You can't be a part activist / part gang member who advocates young black males killing each other.

It doesn't work like that

I feel what you're saying. I used to feel the same way when I'd hear dmx praying on his albums. But lowkey learning about other religions and philosophies gave me an understanding of how you can be a good and bad person both at once. Hell mlk couldn't keep his **** in his pants but did that make him any less of an activist? X was pimping and selling drugs and so on. Should that drown out his message? And it's like with Jesus, even if you're a perfect angel they still gonna kill yo *** and drag your name in the mud so what's the difference

The only critique i'd like to hear is from Mutulu. ****** got Facebook in jail...hopefully he gets to see the film when it releases on home video. 

That **** was on kodi the day it came out

 

[P C H]

 
- Everyone has their good/bad qualities. That's where the whole "devil on one shoulder, angel on the other" concept comes from. 

- He died at 25. To put that in perspective...that's the same age as people like Young Thug, Travis Scott, Migos, etc. are now. So keep in mind that he's still VERY VERY young while this is all going on.

-  If you ****** keep telling me that rap is "entertainment" and that these guys are characters...I'll gladly choose the one that's hiding the medicine in the candy as opposed to 100% nonsense. People often note that people like Kendrick, Cole, etc. won't ever fully make the impact on the ones that need it the most...because they're going to write it off because the look and sound doesn't resonate. That might quite literally be the #1 reason why Pac is regarded as highly as he is today. He captured EVERYONE...including the ones that needed to hear it the most because he resonated with them.

- Nobody remembers Pac for being an "activist" foremost. He was the biggest voice, in the biggest cultural influencer of our generation - Hip Hop - and he not only spoke about the black plight in his music...but he was showing up at town hall discussions in Bingo hall backrooms...front and center with the hood...discussing social issues. This is also before the internet, so there was no ulterior motives there. No videographers to tape that and cut a 5 minute recap to make him "seem like" a leader.

- The idea that a negative aspect of his character portrayal negates everything else he represented is a bit of a reach. You show me anyone who was revered for using their platform to speak on issues that didn't have bad publicity out there for SOMETHING. 

Nah I hear all of this and I agree with it for the most part.

I guess it's hard for me to accept that that side of Pac as being anything of real tangible merit when he's talking like this on records:



In the outro to this (3:12 secs on) he's literally in a passionate tirade screaming:

"We robbing mutha*****s, *****, thug life, outlawz,

Death row *****,

What the **** you wanna do *****, Double Glocks on you ***** made ******,

Leave you dead in the streets, closed caskets, **** you bastards,

**** ya families, **** yo kids *****"

I personally can't take any of those moments you mentioned with much validity when you're claiming Piru, and use your outlet, your voice, your music, and you're saying **** like this. I mean this is ridiculous. And I get it, I swear I do. Like I said in this thread earlier, Pac died at my age Right now. We're young, we're going to make mistakes but his contradictions are what made him such an awesome, compelling figure. That being said, FOR ME, I just can't look at him with any depth beyond being a great rapper / musician because the contradictions are a bit too extreme. What you're saying at town halls and bingo halls don't resonate with me because you're also saying the stuff you said in the video above.

And I know no one is perfect. King, Malcolm, none of these guys were. But ultimately, they used their power to incite tangible, positive changes within the black community in spite of their transgressions. 2Pac's way of doing this was the music, so when you literally use your only tool for a negative purpose, it kind of defeats the purpose. That's just me though.

 

[P C H]

I feel what you're saying. I used to feel the same way when I'd hear dmx praying on his albums. But lowkey learning about other religions and philosophies gave me an understanding of how you can be a good and bad person both at once. Hell mlk couldn't keep his **** in his pants but did that make him any less of an activist? X was pimping and selling drugs and so on. Should that drown out his message? And it's like with Jesus, even if you're a perfect angel they still gonna kill yo *** and drag your name in the mud so what's the difference

I can see what you're saying, but those guys weren't just voicing their opinions in local townhall meetings. They actually made tangible changes within the black community that are still felt to this very day. I don't even think Pac lived long enough to become this revolutionary, activist guy for the black community.

The same voice Pac used to uplift his people (Music) he used it to flat out destroy it. By the end of his life, he was using his greatest strength to destroy his own people, threatening to murder his own people. He was so far removed from the guy trying to uplift his people at the time of his death that yes, you can drown out your own message which in this case, I think he did.

 

[Benny Hinn]

Big Pac fan. Just watched it. It's awful. Obvious money grab after SOC. The ending was so abrupt. The editing. Felt like a sport center highlight reel.

Just watch Resurrection doc if you want a legit biopic of Pac. That had me in tears

Or if you want to watch a recent great biopic then just watch the BET New Edition one. So much better.

1.5/8

 

[wavycrocket]

That BIG movie just came on HBO....it's even worse than I remembered :x (and I hated it when it originally came out).

We're so worried about "looking good"....that we skip the real...and go for the low brow, cheesy, glitzy feel good bs.

Nah man. Let's up the standard and tell the raw stories with dope cinematography, ACURATE WARDORBES, dialogue, and feel of the times.

***** in BIG High School class had Air Max 95s. I know I'm nitpicking....but cmon man . Just a pet peeve of mine.

 

[P C H]

Big Pac fan. Just watched it. It's awful. Obvious money grab after SOC. The ending was so abrupt. The editing. Felt like a sport center highlight reel.

Just watch Resurrection doc if you want a legit biopic of Pac. That had me in tears

Or if you want to watch a recent great biopic then just watch the BET New Edition one. So much better.

1.5/8

2Pac resurrection was awesome, and the ending was pretty bad, but damn awful?!

I ain't think it was that bad. What made it so bad to you? You're a big pac fan so I'd love to hear why you think so

 

[VARNELL HILL]

So let me ask

Does this...



...dismiss or contradict the tone and themes of Kendrick Lamar's music currently? 

 

[P C H]

 
So let me ask

Does this...



...dismiss or contradict the tone and themes of Kendrick Lamar's music currently? 

Not to me, because I personally don't hold Kendrick or 2Pac as being anything more than all time great Rappers. Their commentary on real life social issues is cool I guess, but they're just rappers. I don't expect them to be anything more than that.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

Shoe you make some good points. I'm sure you've seen interviews of pac as a teenager. Dude was soft as baby food. His story is about how a guy like that could be consumed by the world and die a completely different person like you said. 'They're gonna give you all the tools to destroy yourself'. The movie attempts to portray this and illustrate how his path got lost from where he first started to where he ended. In between there was a real message that shouldn't be lost because someone else changed the channel

 

[VARNELL HILL]

 
Not to me, because I personally don't hold Kendrick or 2Pac as being anything more than all time great Rappers. Their commentary on real life social issues is cool I guess, but they're just rappers. I don't expect them to be anything more than that.

How you choose to perceive them, and what your expectations are is your choice. But they quite literally are not "just" rappers. If you have the ability to capture international attention  and influence culture on massive scale, you aren't just a rapper. 

 

[hunnybear]

This man was shot and robbed in REAL life, bangin on wax is nothing compared to that.  Pac was at war with many other rappers at the end of his life, and this is what rappers do when they are at war.  So you're going to negate all of his good actions because he was using his most powerful weapon to let all those people he thought did him wrong know that he wasnt goin out like no punk?  Even Nas said in an interview that Pac confessed to Nas that he went at him on wax prior to Makaveli being released and Nas didnt give a ****.

So with your logic that means Nas, Jay-z, Ice Cube, Dr Dre, Snoop...etc...etc..etc.. all these cats that have done so much for the community, because of some of the negative **** in their music they are no longer activists for their people? come on man.

Other than Pac punchin dude in the casino ( there are no other urban legends of Pac doin harm to someone during the death row period) what did he do to deserve gettin murdered?  Even the killers said they were shooting for Suge not Pac, they just weren't able to drive up on Suges side of the car because of the women they were hollerin at

 

[P C H]

 
How you choose to perceive them, and what your expectations are is your choice. But they quite literally are not "just" rappers. If you have the ability to capture international all around the world and influence culture on massive scale, you aren't just a rapper. 

To a lot of others I'm sure they aren't. This is literally my interpretation of the career of Pac, along with how I differ in how I view Pac from other people(along with other rappers now, I guess)

He had the ability to influence culture on a massive scale, but used that influence to incite violence amongst his own people. And that's cool to me, Rap Music is entertainment to me. But for me, if you're going to be this activist and hold that stance and carry that badge, then I'm going to take it as such, and with that, I can't hear you on records saying that you and the outlawz will murder people's families and all that. You gotta be more responsible than that for me If I'm going to view you in that light.

Like others mentioned, MLK, Malcolm, etc. weren't perfect but they were tangibly in the field making change, not just talking about it which essentially that was all Pac was able to do. Perhaps if he lived longer we could have saw the real change that he could have potentially incited, but ultimately his grandest weapon was his music and he used that to incite violence as much as he used it to incite positive change and how I see it is, if we're viewing you as an entertainer, then that's fine that makes the story (music) all the more greater. If we're looking at you in a heavier light, then the lens gets a bit more critical for me.

 

[P C H]

 
This man was shot and robbed in REAL life, bangin on wax is nothing compared to that.  Pac was at war with many other rappers at the end of his life, and this is what rappers do when they are at war.  So you're going to negate all of his good actions because he was using his most powerful weapon to let all those people he thought did him wrong know that he wasnt goin out like no punk?  Even Nas said in an interview that Pac confessed to Nas that he went at him on wax prior to Makaveli being released and Nas didnt give a ****.

So with your logic that means Nas, Jay-z, Ice Cube, Dr Dre, Snoop...etc...etc..etc.. all these cats that have done so much for the community, because of some of the negative **** in their music they are no longer activists for their people? come on man.

Other than Pac punchin dude in the casino ( there are no other urban legends of Pac doin harm to someone during the death row period) what did he do to deserve gettin murdered?  Even the killers said they were shooting for Suge not Pac, they just weren't able to drive up on Suges side of the car because of the women they were hollerin at

No one deserves to get murdered fam,

who said Pac Deserved to get murdered?

 

[airraab]

Murder Rap was the closest thing to the truth in regards to Biggie n Pac Murder

Watch it, it's good!!

 

[gentrification]

He still alive