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I dont have any sources for scholar on Islam that aren't Muslim. If I find any I'll post them though
Any Muslims here?
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[h1]As-salamu alaykum[/h1]
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Same cup different flavor... I lean more towards Islamic teaching then Christianity, but I've never been able to grasp the mono theism vibe, everyone always claims to have the one true God, who could ever know that?? I guess, unless you die an actually witness it...
So I keep the God part out and mostly follow the teachings....
Most of the time I think of it as same God different principles... Is that mostly have Muslims feel??
So I keep the God part out and mostly follow the teachings....
Most of the time I think of it as same God different principles... Is that mostly have Muslims feel??
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I get what you're saying. Muslims don't claim that Christianity and Judaism believe in the wrong God. In fact, we believe in the same God. Like you said, its the same God byt different principles. Christianity believes in the trinity, whereas Islam believes God is one without any partners. Judaism doesn't believe in Jesus, whereas Islam believes Jesus was God's prophet. If you believe in one universal God without any partners and all of his prophets (i.e. Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, etc) then you are a Muslim.
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who says the man isn't getting his jimmy rustled?!?
Fail to see the correlation between op's post and not getting yams.
Has me
let that boy cook...
as long as its not pork
as long as its not pork
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Brah every religion has od flaws so does Islam
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Same thing with most religions/followers.
Most religions call for the avoidance of alcohol, but a lot of followers still do it. No one is perfect.
I consider myself a Christian and drink socially. I would assume there are others similar to me who practice Islam or other religions for that matter.
Shout out to OnTheNephs for dropping knowledge. I would like to hear more about the remaining pillars when you get some time/if you don't mind
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Every person that I've met that has either turned more towards religion or converted to another religion has done it out of weakness/ desperation. Either something ****** up happened to them or they're lost and can't find answers to their own questions.
So religion comes prepackaged with answers. There's little need to search for answers or accept harsh realities.
The abundance of information comes at such a minimal cost during our time that turning to survival mechanisms (which is what organized religion is) from thousands of years ago is kind of weak.
I can understand people who are born into it and maintain various degrees of their ancestors religion/tradition but taking on someone else's fanciful stories is just weird.
This isn't to be taken as an atheist rant because it is not. If you're looking for answers OP, don't take the word of people who lived thousands of years ago and had access to an infinitesimal amount of information as compared to you.
My family's Jewish and I consider myself Jewish but only in the traditional sense. I'd be foolish to accept the dogmatic stuff. If you wanted to convert to Judaism, I'd tell you that you're out of your mind too.
So religion comes prepackaged with answers. There's little need to search for answers or accept harsh realities.
The abundance of information comes at such a minimal cost during our time that turning to survival mechanisms (which is what organized religion is) from thousands of years ago is kind of weak.
I can understand people who are born into it and maintain various degrees of their ancestors religion/tradition but taking on someone else's fanciful stories is just weird.
This isn't to be taken as an atheist rant because it is not. If you're looking for answers OP, don't take the word of people who lived thousands of years ago and had access to an infinitesimal amount of information as compared to you.
My family's Jewish and I consider myself Jewish but only in the traditional sense. I'd be foolish to accept the dogmatic stuff. If you wanted to convert to Judaism, I'd tell you that you're out of your mind too.
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^ yeah I get you
I saw the link that one of you guys put up. Crazy how the Quran had all that scientific Knowledge in it despite bein written over 1000 years ago
Thanks for all the input gais. I'm tryna see if there's a mosque around where I live so I can talk to some people there
I saw the link that one of you guys put up. Crazy how the Quran had all that scientific Knowledge in it despite bein written over 1000 years ago
Thanks for all the input gais. I'm tryna see if there's a mosque around where I live so I can talk to some people there
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Nice, seems like the curiosity of the heart is sparked in this thread, and for that to occur there at least has to be some faith or conscious present in you. I've met and we are mostly surrounded by people who have had a veil permanently placed on the truth. I mean this with regards to any one of any religion who at least has belief, as this is not an easy characteristic to have..
I feel like there is mad information that I could put out here on Islam. But like I said earlier its deep, and what I know until now, is because of my constant search for guidance in all times in my 26 years alive. Whether it was good times, or miserable times in life i tried to find the theological importance of it.
The second pillar of Islam after the Shahada is the Prayer. Prayer is performed 5 times daily. This takes a life time. This act is incorporates all modern "spiritual" acts. Whether its yoga, meditation, etc. The prayers in Islam are the most disciplined practice and enjoys all the benefits collectively. The daily communication with God strengthens the bond. Just like any relationship communication is the prime method to understanding. Just the fact that you are in direct communication with god during your 2 or 3 minute prayer is mind blowing. You can research the beneficial effects that the positions in the prayers have on the body, and the act of bowing and touching your fore head to the ground and your knees and hands. It is the utmost act of worship. .
It is in the teachings of the Prophet Muhammed do we find how to perform our prayers. Belief in the prophecy of Muhammed and his actions are the number one pillar, as discussed in my earlier post. We must MAKE SURE to remain firm in not idolizing or praying to Muhammed. as he was only a messenger. The prophet performed the prayers at different times in the day, dawn, noon, afternoon, sunset, and complete night. The prayer is as simple, or as complicated as your level of understanding. As while you are praying you recite any chapter of the Quran. If you know long chapter, which there are many, you can spend 30 minutes praying, however if you know short chapters, which there are also many, you can finish in 2 minutes. There are many step by step tutorials on line on you tube, and many other sources that will have you establishing the habit in a couple of days. Prayer can be performed at home, or at the mosque with a group of other Muslims. Socializing is always good though, so the mosque is a beautiful place to be.
Prayer is really beautiful, and its rewards are tremendous as you feel like every day you have a meeting with the Almighty just to discuss life. And that is great. Again guys this is really really surface stuff, and it can be more meaningful to different people in different ways, so if you have questions, just ask. And I or other NTers will try to answer, if we can. If not ill try and direct you to someone who can.
Third pillar of Islam is Zakat. Which is giving a percent of yearly saved income. This is the perfect version of Tax, and the perfect solution to much of the world financial crisis, and there are numerous economists who have affirmed that Islamic financial teachings offer perfect balance, yet due to the STRONG belief that debt is completely wrong and haram (sin) in Islam, they are merely brushed aside and debt continues to rule the human race. God in the Quran, 1500 years ago...waged war on the abusers of debt.
I will write more about Zakat, and its components as well as the other pillars of Islam in the next little while because I am about to step out.
I feel like there is mad information that I could put out here on Islam. But like I said earlier its deep, and what I know until now, is because of my constant search for guidance in all times in my 26 years alive. Whether it was good times, or miserable times in life i tried to find the theological importance of it.
The second pillar of Islam after the Shahada is the Prayer. Prayer is performed 5 times daily. This takes a life time. This act is incorporates all modern "spiritual" acts. Whether its yoga, meditation, etc. The prayers in Islam are the most disciplined practice and enjoys all the benefits collectively. The daily communication with God strengthens the bond. Just like any relationship communication is the prime method to understanding. Just the fact that you are in direct communication with god during your 2 or 3 minute prayer is mind blowing. You can research the beneficial effects that the positions in the prayers have on the body, and the act of bowing and touching your fore head to the ground and your knees and hands. It is the utmost act of worship. .
It is in the teachings of the Prophet Muhammed do we find how to perform our prayers. Belief in the prophecy of Muhammed and his actions are the number one pillar, as discussed in my earlier post. We must MAKE SURE to remain firm in not idolizing or praying to Muhammed. as he was only a messenger. The prophet performed the prayers at different times in the day, dawn, noon, afternoon, sunset, and complete night. The prayer is as simple, or as complicated as your level of understanding. As while you are praying you recite any chapter of the Quran. If you know long chapter, which there are many, you can spend 30 minutes praying, however if you know short chapters, which there are also many, you can finish in 2 minutes. There are many step by step tutorials on line on you tube, and many other sources that will have you establishing the habit in a couple of days. Prayer can be performed at home, or at the mosque with a group of other Muslims. Socializing is always good though, so the mosque is a beautiful place to be.
Prayer is really beautiful, and its rewards are tremendous as you feel like every day you have a meeting with the Almighty just to discuss life. And that is great. Again guys this is really really surface stuff, and it can be more meaningful to different people in different ways, so if you have questions, just ask. And I or other NTers will try to answer, if we can. If not ill try and direct you to someone who can.
Third pillar of Islam is Zakat. Which is giving a percent of yearly saved income. This is the perfect version of Tax, and the perfect solution to much of the world financial crisis, and there are numerous economists who have affirmed that Islamic financial teachings offer perfect balance, yet due to the STRONG belief that debt is completely wrong and haram (sin) in Islam, they are merely brushed aside and debt continues to rule the human race. God in the Quran, 1500 years ago...waged war on the abusers of debt.
I will write more about Zakat, and its components as well as the other pillars of Islam in the next little while because I am about to step out.
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Hey OP,
I'm happy to see you are planning to go to a local mosque. Meeting with people and being able to quickly discuss these topics I think is important. Internet message boards don't serve as a legitimate substitute for face to face conversation, but here we can share relevant resources effectively. So here are some books I recommend for people who want to learn more about Islam.
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"Approaching the Qur'an" by Michael Sells serves as a great intro to the Quranic text and is often used in Islam 101 classes across the country. It's a short concise introduction to Islam and the Qur'an. This link leads to a pdf download of the introduction section of the book.
And Muhammad Asad's "The Message of the Qur'an" is widely considered to feature the best translations and interpretations of the original Arabic text. Comes widely recommended for English speaking audiences. This is a link to the full book on scribd. You can find some more book recommendations here.
EDIT: Also check out www.islamicfinder.com to hopefully find some Islamic centers or a mosque listed in your area.
I'm happy to see you are planning to go to a local mosque. Meeting with people and being able to quickly discuss these topics I think is important. Internet message boards don't serve as a legitimate substitute for face to face conversation, but here we can share relevant resources effectively. So here are some books I recommend for people who want to learn more about Islam.
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"Approaching the Qur'an" by Michael Sells serves as a great intro to the Quranic text and is often used in Islam 101 classes across the country. It's a short concise introduction to Islam and the Qur'an. This link leads to a pdf download of the introduction section of the book.
And Muhammad Asad's "The Message of the Qur'an" is widely considered to feature the best translations and interpretations of the original Arabic text. Comes widely recommended for English speaking audiences. This is a link to the full book on scribd. You can find some more book recommendations here.
EDIT: Also check out www.islamicfinder.com to hopefully find some Islamic centers or a mosque listed in your area.
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Not necessarily. Religion is just really interesting. I asked questions in the Mormon topic as well, but they were pretty reluctant to answer anything...
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This is why I LOVE Islamic Banks. NO INTEREST!
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Hello. Check out this book list. The most upvoted comment is gold and I think it features sources that will appeal to you most. The recommendations I will list below can be found in that link.
There aren't many top Islamic scholars that are non Muslim, but some books are pretty good.
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Karen Armstrong's Islam: A Short History and Muhammad: A Prophet for Our Time
I would recommend that you don't strictly consider non Muslim sources; but rather, take a more well rounded approach. Read from both good Muslim and non-Muslim scholarship. A good medium I think between the two is also reading about the journeys of people who found Islam later in life. Some good examples:
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Jeffrey Lang Even Angles Ask and The Autobiography of Malcolm X
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Hey, thanks for your response. Yeah, I don't want to read strictly from non-Muslim scholars. I'd like to compare and contrast between both Muslim and non-Muslim scholars. I think religion is fascinating, but I know very little about Islam. I will definitely have to check out your recommendations.
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I do some business in Abuja, Nigeria and they give out loans based solely on how profitable the business plan is. Sometimes if they are worried about a timely return they might ask you to throw in some of what you are selling as a form of repayment. Ex. If I wanted to start a t-shirt shop they might say throw in 10 tshirts a month if I couldn't repay the loan in 18 months. Not exactly how it works but this is a loose example. Whereas in the US debt is the end game for the banks. In Naija they actually want your business to succeed. Hausa/Muslim people are some of the best people you can meet. The "Boko Haram" and other extremists put a black eye on a peaceful section of people.Info on Islamic banks?
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that actually sounds nice:
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anyone else remember the brother who would post daily qur'an verses?
Info on Islamic banks?
I do some business in Abuja, Nigeria and they give out loans based solely on how profitable the business plan is. Sometimes if they are worried about a timely return they might ask you to throw in some of what you are selling as a form of repayment. Ex. If I wanted to start a t-shirt shop they might say throw in 10 tshirts a month if I couldn't repay the loan in 18 months. Not exactly how it works but this is a loose example. Whereas in the US debt is the end game for the banks. In Naija they actually want your business to succeed. Hausa/Muslim people are some of the best people you can meet. The "Boko Haram" and other extremists put a black eye on a peaceful section of people.
Nigeria? Sounds like a scam.
JK.
Need info on "Halal Mortgages" though. Please provide kind sir.
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man its crazy how all 3 religions are all a lot alike and believe in the same God yet there's so much killing all over the world over the little differences between the 3. smh
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Just came from the mosque
