Anyone here suffer from Depression?

[Deleted member 37467]

Dude, I suffer from depression, I know what its like.


I'm a naturally depressive person, I guess I got that from my Father.


I was on pills, I did therapy.


I haven't beaten depression, I don't know if its even possible for me, but I've learned to live w/ it.


For every person these drugs help, there's probably 20 that they destroy.


Our minds are more powerful than you think.


It starts w/ you, not a pill, not a therapist.


You just have to be willing to fight it, that's all.

"For every person these drugs help, there's probably 20 that they destroy."

See, you're just making things up now because of your personal experience. What you just wrote is complete BS and I would like to see some research that even remotely backs up what you are saying.

"You just have to be willing to fight it."

Um, you think that people are just not willing to fight it? Like I said, depression IS A MENTAL ILLNESS. If it was as easy as you say, why aren't you cured? Why do you still battle with it? Maybe you were on the wrong pills. Maybe you didn't have the right therapist. Who knows. You keep saying that all you need to do is fight, but then you go on to say that you just have learned to live with it. It seems like you are the one who has given up...

Like I said before. I do think antidepressants are over-prescribed, but not in this situation. OP has thought about suicide. He already stated that he has tried to exercise and it did help, but this time he needs more than that. He even said so. I'm truly sorry that you sorry from depression. I do, too. But telling someone to stop taking meds and stop doing therapy is NOT correct, and I feel obligated to tell him.

I mean, I'm off the pills and I'm doing fine, bro.

I don't need a pill or a therapist, I don't need my depression cured.

It doesn't stop me from living my life.

It seems like you're still on them, and you seem batty as hell.

Just gonna throw that out there.

Have you suffered from substance abuse in the past?

Serious question, please don't take offense to it.

 

[Trent Reznor]

"For every person these drugs help, there's probably 20 that they destroy."

See, you're just making things up now because of your personal experience. What you just wrote is complete BS and I would like to see some research that even remotely backs up what you are saying.

"You just have to be willing to fight it."

Um, you think that people are just not willing to fight it? Like I said, depression IS A MENTAL ILLNESS. If it was as easy as you say, why aren't you cured? Why do you still battle with it? Maybe you were on the wrong pills. Maybe you didn't have the right therapist. Who knows. You keep saying that all you need to do is fight, but then you go on to say that you just have learned to live with it. It seems like you are the one who has given up...

Like I said before. I do think antidepressants are over-prescribed, but not in this situation. OP has thought about suicide. He already stated that he has tried to exercise and it did help, but this time he needs more than that. He even said so. I'm truly sorry that you sorry from depression. I do, too. But telling someone to stop taking meds and stop doing therapy is NOT correct, and I feel obligated to tell him.

I agree with some of what youre saying, but not all. Depression is a mental illness, but I firmly believe that most of it can be conquered in a way if you really want it to. I've contemplated suicide many many times throughout the years but outside of effecting a lot of people, i personally had to keep telling myself that there are other ways.

When I was in gradeschool in the 90's i knew ONE kid on ritalin(addarall). ONE. Now if you're a hyper kid (NORMAL) you get it. Parent's don't want to PARENT and sedate their perfectly normal kids so they don't have to be bothered. Then you get a teen/young adult,(this generation) that has been pilled up since they were 4. Its absolutely ridiculous.

I believe I'll always have some sort of depression just cause I'm a negative person by nature. I can't help it, its just who I am. I try everyday though to push out my negative thoughts and think of the good things I have. Its never as bad as your head makes it out to be.

 

[an dee 51o]

I mean, I'm off the pills and I'm doing fine, bro.

I don't need a pill or a therapist, I don't need my depression cured.

It doesn't stop me from living my life.

It seems like you're still on them, and you seem batty as hell.

Just gonna throw that out there.

Have you suffered from substance abuse in the past?

Serious question, please don't take offense to it.

I'm a heroin addict. Why do I do it? Because it makes me able to function in real life and I'm actually a pretty damn fun guy to be around. I was taking antidepressants in high school and they was helping me. The only reason why I'm not on them still is because I'd rather spend my money on dope. Which doesn't make sense, but whatever.

I probably seem "batty" because I am loaded, but that doesn't take away my credibility. Pills help a ton of people. Therapy helps even more.

 

[Deleted member 37467]

I'm a heroin addict.

I rest my case.

I probably seem "batty" because I am loaded, but that doesn't take away my credibility.

Yes, it most certainly does.

I hope you find a better way to deal w/ your illnesses someday, bro.

I mean that, not trying being an ***.

 

[an dee 51o]

I agree with some of what youre saying, but not all. Depression is a mental illness, but I firmly believe that most of it can be conquered in a way if you really want it to. I've contemplated suicide many many times throughout the years but outside of effecting a lot of people, i personally had to keep telling myself that there are other ways.

When I was in gradeschool in the 90's i knew ONE kid on ritalin(addarall). ONE. Now if you're a hyper kid (NORMAL) you get it. Parent's don't want to PARENT and sedate their perfectly normal kids so they don't have to be bothered. Then you get a teen/young adult,(this generation) that has been pilled up since they were 4. Its absolutely ridiculous.

I believe I'll always have some sort of depression just cause I'm a negative person by nature. I can't help it, its just who I am. I try everyday though to push out my negative thoughts and think of the good things I have. Its never as bad as your head makes it out to be.

Ritalin and Adderall are different, just thought I'd point that out. And neither is relavent to this convo because they are for ADD/ ADHD and not depression.

I'm really glad that you're doing better. OP has already stated that he tried to do the exercise thing and it helped him, but now his depression is just too much to bear. Where does he go now? MORE exercise? Hm...

And I disagree with the "it's never as bad as your head makes it out to be." Sometimes it is. I lost a very good friend of mine to an OD in April. I have seen and done things that will bother me for the rest of my life. The reason why I'm still on this earth is because I try REALLY DAMN HARD to stay afloat. But I am destroying my life with heroin and honestly this might get me one day.

 

[an dee 51o]

I'm a heroin addict.

I rest my case.

I probably seem "batty" because I am loaded, but that doesn't take away my credibility.

Yes, it most certainly does.

Very mature. If we're gonna go the cheap shot route, I'll go ahead and say that your aunt must be a **** therapist to recommend NOT doing therapy.

You're on your high horse talking about "YOU CAN DO IT IF YOU TRY REALLY HARD!!!" But then you go on to say that you're going to have to deal with this for the rest of your life. It's hard to believe your depression was as bad as you want people to believe, because you somehow made it from being suicidal to ok by exercising and eating better. You should write a book or become a doctor if you've discovered the cure to depression.

You go on about how pills destroy so many more lives than they help, but never provide any type of evidence to back it up. Pills go through vigorous CLINICAL TRIALS. DOUBLE BLIND tests, and the like before they go on the market. Still waiting for some proof on your end.

And you don't think I tried the exercise route? I am very fit and athletic and it's gotten me nowhere. Do you think that slamming dope was my first option? Do you think it was even my 12th? This is what works for me and I'd be LONG gone if I just did your working out and eating right routine.

 

[Trent Reznor]

Ritalin and Adderall are different, just thought I'd point that out. And neither is relavent to this convo because they are for ADD/ ADHD and not depression.

I'm really glad that you're doing better. OP has already stated that he tried to do the exercise thing and it helped him, but now his depression is just too much to bear. Where does he go now? MORE exercise? Hm...

And I disagree with the "it's never as bad as your head makes it out to be." Sometimes it is. I lost a very good friend of mine to an OD in April. I have seen and done things that will bother me for the rest of my life. The reason why I'm still on this earth is because I try REALLY DAMN HARD to stay afloat. But I am destroying my life with heroin and honestly this might get me one day.

I meant the adderall/ritalin thing of grooming kids that "pills are ok." Which in adulthood leads further down the rabbit hole. I wasn't correlating the two with depression. Sorry if it came out that way.

And not for nothing, I don't think you're trying too hard if you're still using heroin.

I personally know plenty of current and ex heroin/oxy heads. Plenty. The people that WANTED to get clean, got clean and stayed clean, for the most part.

We've ALL seen and had things done that will scar us for life. You HAVE to move forward. Period.

 

[Trent Reznor]

I'm a heroin addict. Why do I do it? Because it makes me able to function in real life and I'm actually a pretty damn fun guy to be around. I was taking antidepressants in high school and they was helping me. The only reason why I'm not on them still is because I'd rather spend my money on dope. Which doesn't make sense, but whatever.

I probably seem "batty" because I am loaded, but that doesn't take away my credibility. Pills help a ton of people. Therapy helps even more.

Thats a straight excuse dude and you know it. You're telling yourself why its OK to be on heroin and not the thousands of reasons why its not.

 

[Deleted member 37467]

Evidence?

Look no further than you.

My aunt didn't tell me to stop going to therapy, it was a decision that I made on my own.

You're just weak minded and you look to drugs to better your situation, but what have they done for you?

Doesn't seem like you're doing good to me, bro, which is unfortunate.

I hope that one day you find the strength to better your life, I'm sure there's a ton of people who care about you and you have plenty to live for, even if you haven't realized it yet.

 

[sreal]

i think the reason why hes saying you shouldnt be taking pills and exercising more and etc. is because even though you may feel like your depression is getting neutralized by the antidepressants, what is the point if you are just back to square one once youre off them? If you make yourself feel better by exercising and finding new activities, thats the best "cure" because you don't have to rely on anything else but yourself to make yourself happy. I say this because i have taken antidepressants before, and the most noticeable thing they did for me was make everything seem pointless(no emotions).

 

[mangudai954]

Completely agree with you an dee. Hyper, everyone is different and depression doesn't affect everyone the same. Whether it be someone's predisposition to it or the severity they're experiencing. I think it's a good suggestion to mention exercising and working out but to make an umbrella statement saying to flat out not use therapy + antidepressants is horrible and potentially dangerous advice.

I was very skeptical about therapy. Being a thinker I was convinced that no one could tell me something I didn't already know. I was working out and that took the edge off initially but as it worsened I stopped working out, or doing much of anything. There's a rut you can get into when you're in a depressive mood that stifles you to the point that your thinking can become really ****** up where you're not thinking logically(even though you feel as if you are). For me, therapy was very helpful, and not only because I was talking to someone. But because it was someone who was trained to help people with depression. They provided me with tools and different outlooks that I hadn't previously considered. This alone did a LOT to improve my well-being.

I haven't taken any antidepressants but I do know people who have and they've worked out great for them. On the flip side, yes there are people that they don't help and sometimes It can worsen their condition. In many cases people find one that works for them and they're happy with it.


To the OP, I recommend talking to someone. Sooner than later. If you don't know where to go you can call #211 and they can direct you to center in your area. If you don't have insurance many places have what's called a sliding scale. Basically you show them your W-2 and based on your income they'll set an amount that you will pay per session. At some places if you qualify, you can get sessions for free. If you have any question hit me up any time. Whether it be now or 2 years from now.

i think the reason why hes saying you shouldnt be taking pills and exercising more and etc. is because even though you may feel like your depression is getting neutralized by the antidepressants, what is the point if you are just back to square one once youre off them? If you make yourself feel better by exercising and finding new activities, thats the best "cure" because you don't have to rely on anything else but yourself to make yourself happy. I say this because i have taken antidepressants before, and the most noticeable thing they did for me was make everything seem pointless(no emotions).

I've never liked the idea of someone just taking an antidepressant and that's it. It makes more sense to me to do therapy + antidepressants IMO. It helps you get on your feet and get on the road to thinking more positive(therapy). Personally, why I never took any antidepressants is because I didn't want to risk getting to a point where I had to rely solely on them.

OP go seek help, you'll be amazed at the difference a therapist will make in your life.

Agreed. Oh, and OP if you do go and see someone its very important that you feel comfortable with them. I can't stress that enough. If you don't feel comfortable with them, find someone else.

 

[the nomad]

Very mature. If we're gonna go the cheap shot route, I'll go ahead and say that your aunt must be a **** therapist to recommend NOT doing therapy.

I mean I know NO ONE online is certified to evaluate someone, but suicide is real and it does happen, even in forums (see Abraham K. Biggs).

But dude is saying that he's having thoughts of suicide and you guys are arguing and discrediting each other.

OP go seek help, you'll be amazed at the difference a therapist will make in your life. We tend to beat ourselves up a lot. And we'll never know to the extent without the help of someone who[s trained to watch for warning signs and identify underlying causes.

 

[Trent Reznor]

I mean I know NO ONE online is certified to evaluate someone, but suicide is real and it does happen, even in forums (see Abraham K. Biggs).
But dude is saying that he's having thoughts of suicide and you guys are arguing and discrediting each other.

OP go seek help, you'll be amazed at the difference a therapist will make in your life. We tend to beat ourselves up a lot. And we'll never know to the extent without the help of someone who[s trained to watch for warning signs and identify underlying causes.

I agree. Never did I say therapy isn't good. Just talking about my own experience with it. I firmly believe that you should at least try to talk to someone, or a few people for that matter.

 

[an dee 51o]

Thats a straight excuse dude and you know it. You're telling yourself why its OK to be on heroin and not the thousands of reasons why its not.

I'm not saying it's ok. It's not ok. I already said that I'm pretty sure that my addiction is going to kill me sooner or later. What I'm saying is that dope makes life bearable for me at this point in time.

I meant the adderall/ritalin thing of grooming kids that "pills are ok." Which in adulthood leads further down the rabbit hole. I wasn't correlating the two with depression. Sorry if it came out that way.

And not for nothing, I don't think you're trying too hard if you're still using heroin.

I personally know plenty of current and ex heroin/oxy heads. Plenty. The people that WANTED to get clean, got clean and stayed clean, for the most part.

We've ALL seen and had things done that will scar us for life. You HAVE to move forward. Period.

Bro, you have no idea who WANTED to get clean. None. I guarantee you I know more junkies than you. You are seriously saying that if you really want to get clean than you will be able to. That is straight up BS. I do want to get clean eventually, but not right now. There are MILLIONS of addicts in this country. What you are saying is that none of them really want to get clean. Because if they really wanted it, they could do it. It's not that easy. You don't know as much about addiction as you think you do. Do you think that the woman with two kids who is prostituting herself every day for drug money doesn't want to get clean?

Evidence?

Look no further than you.

My aunt didn't tell me to stop going to therapy, it was a decision that I made on my own.

You're just weak minded and you look to drugs to better your situation, but what have they done for you?

Doesn't seem like you're doing good to me, bro, which is unfortunate.

I hope that one day you find the strength to better your life, I'm sure there's a ton of people who care about you and you have plenty to live for, even if you haven't realized it yet.

You are still taking the easy way out and posting no REAL EVIDENCE that pills "destroy" lives. My situation has nothing to do with that. At all. There is no correlation between antidepressants and my current drug use.

You're calling me weak-minded, but you don't even know me. So the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of drug addicts in this world are all weak-minded? Please. I have tried a myriad of different options, and this is the only thing that really helps me. And guess what, heroin actually isn't as bad for you as people would like you to believe. The bad thing is what people do to obtain it. Alcohol abuse is far worse on your body than opiate abuse. Again, I'm not justifying my drug use, but I have way more FACTS about my situation than you do.

 

[an dee 51o]

Anyways OP, that's my last post about my situation. I'm really sorry for derailing your thread, but I get really upset when people try to say that things that are proven to help (antidepressants and therapy) are not useful. I really hope you continue to explore your options, and don't give up if something doesn't work for you. There are a lot of different options for you, and I really hope you keep looking until you find what works for you.

I know what it's like to be hopeless. It seems like you have people that love you, so hold on for them.

Peace.

 

[Deleted member 37467]

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[Trent Reznor]

Bro, you have no idea who WANTED to get clean. None. I guarantee you I know more junkies than you. You are seriously saying that if you really want to get clean than you will be able to. That is straight up BS. I do want to get clean eventually, but not right now. There are MILLIONS of addicts in this country. What you are saying is that none of them really want to get clean. Because if they really wanted it, they could do it. It's not that easy. You don't know as much about addiction as you think you do. Do you think that the woman with two kids who is prostituting herself every day for drug money doesn't want to get clean?

I'm not going into a pissing battle on who knows more junkies. I live in south west philly. I know PLENTY of junkies. Thats all i was saying.

To this, no I don't think she wants to get clean. She's selfish and is putting her needs before her kids. I have no respect for people like this. NONE.

We'll agree to disagree on this, but I'm not going to sway how I feel.

I don't think you WANT to get clean if you're not actively pursuing how to do it everyday.

And heroin isn't as bad as you think it is? END read right there.

Again, excuse on WHY you continue to do it. Please bro, I've had this conversation with my real life friends/family far too many times. I'm not about to go back and forth on the internet about it.

You are the last person that should be giving advice to this guy.

 

[Mark Antony]

Lmao. I wouldn't take advice from anyone that starts a sentence with " i'm a heroin addict". But just like any ailment i suggest natural remedies first before pills which in this case is running/working out and a better diet like Hyper suggested. Give yourself a chance before dealing with the side effects. That doesn't work then yeah, see what's out there.

 

[Trent Reznor]

Lmao. I wouldn't take advice from anyone that starts a sentence with " i'm a heroin addict". But just like any ailment i suggest natural remedies first before pills which in this case is running/working out and a better diet like Hyper suggested. Give yourself a chance before dealing with the side effects. That doesn't work then yeah, see what's out there.

Great overall summary of suggestions. I agree with this.

 

[am1x90xnike]

Professional opinion...

everyday for the next few weeks

one when you wake up and

when you get off of work. Then post the results. I mean, you have nothing to live for, why not try that and see what happens, save you a ton in psych fees.

 

[an dee 51o]

Lmao. I wouldn't take advice from anyone that starts a sentence with " i'm a heroin addict". But just like any ailment i suggest natural remedies first before pills which in this case is running/working out and a better diet like Hyper suggested. Give yourself a chance before dealing with the side effects. That doesn't work then yeah, see what's out there.

Somehow this heroin addict has better reading comprehension skills than you do. What does that say about you?

Same goes with this dude stevielips. You are officially worse at reading than someone high on dope. Jeez.

OUCH!
 

I appreciate all the responses. Exercise and eating better did help me a lot. When my Dad was sick, and after his passing, I used to be able to distract myself by playing ball. My mind was at peace on the courts. I channeled whatever issues I had into losing weight, changing my lifestyle, and focusing on fitness....but this time it just feels so much harder. 

I'm not going into a pissing battle on who knows more junkies. I live in south west philly. I know PLENTY of junkies. Thats all i was saying.

To this, no I don't think she wants to get clean. She's selfish and is putting her needs before her kids. I have no respect for people like this. NONE.

We'll agree to disagree on this, but I'm not going to sway how I feel.

I don't think you WANT to get clean if you're not actively pursuing how to do it everyday.

And heroin isn't as bad as you think it is? END read right there.

Again, excuse on WHY you continue to do it. Please bro, I've had this conversation with my real life friends/family far too many times. I'm not about to go back and forth on the internet about it.

You are the last person that should be giving advice to this guy.

Why does everyone in this thread have crappy reading comprehension. I said I want to get clean EVENTUALLY, BUT NOT RIGHT NOW.

I also said that heroin isn't as PHYSICALLY bad for you as alcohol. This is 100% true. I know far more about this subject than you, dude. I have said a MULTITUDE of times that I am not making excuses for using dope, but all you can't see past the fact that I'm addicted.

 

[Deleted member 37467]

I said I want to get clean EVENTUALLY, BUT NOT RIGHT NOW.

Riiight.

It's not us w/ crappy reading comprehension, its you.

You're sitting there preaching the greatness of antidepressants, meanwhile you ditched them for heroin...

Then you sit there and tell me that they helped you...

Um...

Get clean, bro.

You're letting a drug control your life, its pathetic.

Stop making excuses and help yourself.

 

[elpablo21]

Completely agree with you an dee. Hyper, everyone is different and depression doesn't affect everyone the same. Whether it be someone's predisposition to it or the severity they're experiencing. I think it's a good suggestion to mention exercising and working out but to make an umbrella statement saying to flat out not to use therapy + antidepressants is horrible and potentially dangerous advice.

I was very skeptical about therapy. Being a thinker I was convinced that no one could tell me something I didn't already know. I was working out and that took the edge off initially but as it worsened I stopped working out, or doing much of anything. There's a rut you can get into when you're in a depressive mood that stifles you to the point that your thinking can become really ****** up where you're not thinking logically(even though you feel as if you are). For me, therapy was very helpful, and not only because I was talking to someone. But because it was someone who was trained to help people with depression. They provided me with tools and different outlooks that I hadn't previously considered. This alone time a LOT to improve my well-being.

I haven't taken any antidepressants but I do know people who have and they've worked out great for them. On the flip side, yes there are people that they don't help and sometimes It can worsen their condition. In many cases people find one that works for them and they're happy with.


To the OP, I recommend talking to someone. Sooner than later. If you don't know where to go you can call #211 and they can direct you to center in your area. If you don't have insurance many places have what's called a sliding scale. Basically you show they your W-2 and based on your income they'll set an amount that you will pay for every session. In some places if you qualify, you can get sessions for free. If you have any question hit me up any time. Whether it be now or 2 years from now.

i think the reason why hes saying you shouldnt be taking pills and exercising more and etc. is because even though you may feel like your depression is getting neutralized by the antidepressants, what is the point if you are just back to square one once youre off them? If you make yourself feel better by exercising and finding new activities, thats the best "cure" because you don't have to rely on anything else but yourself to make yourself happy. I say this because i have taken antidepressants before, and the most noticeable thing they did for me was make everything seem pointless(no emotions).

I've never liked the idea of someone just taking an antidepressant and that's it. It makes more sense to me to do therapy + antidepressants IMO. It helps you get on your feet and get on the road to thinking more positive[therapy). That's personally why I never took any antidepressants, I didn't want to risk getting to a point where I had to rely solely on them.

OP go seek help, you'll be amazed at the difference a therapist will make in your life.

Agreed. Oh, and OP if you do go and see someone its very important that you feel comfortable with them. I can't stress that enough. If you don't feel comfortable with them, find someone else.

Very mature. If we're gonna go the cheap shot route, I'll go ahead and say that your aunt must be a **** therapist to recommend NOT doing therapy.

I mean I know NO ONE online is certified to evaluate someone, but suicide is real and it does happen, even in forums (see Abraham K. Biggs).

But dude is saying that he's having thoughts of suicide and you guys are arguing and discrediting each other.

OP go seek help, you'll be amazed at the difference a therapist will make in your life. We tend to beat ourselves up a lot. And we'll never know to the extent without the help of someone who[s trained to watch for warning signs and identify underlying causes.

The two best post in here.

Hope you get the positive help you need OP to get better...whichever route works best for you.

 

[an dee 51o]

How about we talk OP. How he said that he tried your method and it helped him to a certain extent, but HE NEEDS MORE THAN THAT.

He said it himself. I don't want to talk about my situation any more because you obviously don't know about addiction and you're much more comfortable pointing a finger at me and calling me a junkie than going back and reading what OP had to say.

 

[Deleted member 37467]

Dude, you're calling yourself a dope head, junkie, claiming that you're high on dope as you type.

I'm sitting here telling you to help yourself.

You just sit there and make excuses, "Oh, you don't know what its like."

You act like you're the only one w/ problems or illness.

People overcome things everyday, dude.

Stop sitting there feeling sorry for yourself and take action.

OP will be fine, he'll find something that works for him.