Atheists: Always doing the most?

[f a y b a n]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by F A Y B A N

Originally Posted by tree4twenty

Anton, none of these people will get your point because they don't want to.

Every single one of your posts could be: "How do these things justify murder of innocent people"? and they still wouldn't answer or side with you....Might as well end it...

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If you don't believe in a God, you will be cast into a fiery hell forever. Sounds like a good guy to me....

 Yeah right.  He doesn't have a point.  He wants to lump all religious folks together and characterize them based on their worst elements.  Most people don't believe in casting aspersions on the whole when only the few are responsible for the negative connotations associated with that particular group.  

LOL I've actually said some good things about certain types of religious people in this thread and have pointed out several times in both threads that this doesn't apply to all muslims (just the extremists).  I went as far as saying most Muslim people i know personally don't support this bull%%##. I can't win.

This thread wasn't a good look for Muslims who strive not to be lumped in the same group as those people. Several people have in this thread have tried to make excuses for them. smh X 100000


My boy from college who posted the link to that draw muhammad day is an Indian Muslim

 I've never encountered anyone who so vigorously tried to distance themselves from the typical image of a black man (crime, music, religion, women, etc) to disprove the perceived homogeneity amongst our race yet is so blind to that same stereotype being cast on the religious.  And then to put the onus on peaceful Muslims to remain detached from the extremists, when they have no control over how they are lumped together.  

 

[antonlavey]

Looks at sig=Clearly a proud Ibo man from Nigeria.


-Race doesn't exist, it's a social construct perpetuated by Europeans to subjugate other people
-I'm a hip hop head

-Life is too short to limit ur tastes and experiences.
-What the hell does Islam have to do with black people....I love how being atheist and non-judeochristian is synonymous with white when my ancestors had nothing to do with it before colonization.





NT is easily the most ignorant collection of human-beings on the internet. keep making assumptions about me, I'm NOT who you think I am.

 

[cz7]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey



NT is easily the most ignorant collection of human-beings on the internet. keep making assumptions about me, I'm NOT who you think I am.

There may some truth to this statement. Just sayin'

 

[f a y b a n]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Looks at sig=Clearly a proud Ibo man from Nigeria.


-Race doesn't exist, it's a social construct perpetuated by Europeans to subjugate other people
-I'm a hip hop head

-Life is too short to limit ur tastes and experiences.
-What the hell does Islam have to do with black people....I love how being atheist and non-judeochristian is synonymous with white when my ancestors had nothing to do with it before colonization.





NT is easily the most ignorant collection of human-beings on the internet. keep making assumptions about me, I'm NOT who you think I am.

 My dude, are you serious?  On that census joint, their is no differentiation amongst black skinned folk, we all black in this country and that is what I was referring to when I brought up perceived stereotypes.  If you actually read what I wrote you'd see I clearly stated "typical"and "perceived homogeneity."  I don't agree with the stereotypes either genius.  I didn't associate anything with anything, I'm bringing up the image of a black man that revolves around high crime rates, hip-hop, misogyny lust for big booty women, and whatever other nonsense bigots want to attribute to people of our color when that has nothing to do with how you, me, or any other black person views themselves.  Stereotypes are stereotypes, and they are all wrong.

 

[hankzilla]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by cartune

Originally Posted by hella handsome

a lot of atheists are like flamboyant gay people... its like, ok we get it... you can stop trying so hard...

Sad but true

Anti-Gay Calif. Politician Cited for DUI--After Leaving Gay Bar
by Kilian Melloy
Thursday Mar 4, 2010

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An anti-gay California state senator was placed under arrest for drunk driving after leaving a gay bar. A male passenger was in the vehicle along with the lawmaker was not arrested, reported Sacramento CBS affiliate Channel 13.

State Sen. Roy Ashburn was pulled over by the California Highway Patrol at about 2:00 a.m. on March 3 when his state-issued vehicle was observed being driven erratically. The driver, identified as Ashburn, was taken in and charged for driving under the influence. Channel 13 reported that unidentified sources said the senator had been at Faces, a popular gay nightspot, prior to his arrest.

In a March 4 article, the online news site Talking Points Memo characterized Ashburn, who is married and has four children, as "a fierce opponent of gay rights" who had led anti-marriage equality rallies.

Ashburn issued a contrite apology, stating, "I am deeply sorry for my actions and offer no excuse for my poor judgment. I accept complete responsibility for my conduct and am prepared to accept the consequences for what I did."

Ashburn will not be able to drive for a month and the vehicle he was in at the time of his arrest has been impounded, reported online news site Bakersfield.com on March 3. If the state senator receives the same penalties as do others arrested for drunk driving, the article said, Ashburn could face three years of probation, fines of up to $1,000, attendance at a "DUI offender program," and two days’ jail time.

It is uncertain how the arrest--or his reported presence at a gay bar--will affect Ashburn’s prospects for re-election. He already faces a fellow Republican for in the upcoming race for the seat he occupies in the state senate.

Anti-gay lawmakers who are alleged to engage in sexual activity with members of their own gender have attracted significant media attention in recent years. Among the high-profile cases in lawmakers with records of voting against gay equality measures is the arrest of former Idaho Sen. Larry Craig, who was charged with soliciting another man for sex in an airport restroom, and a 2006 scandal involving Republican Sen. Mark Foley, who allegedly exchanged sexually charged text messages with teenaged male pages and young men who had formerly been pages. A 2009 documentary titled Outrage noted that rumors have long swirled around Florida governor Charlie Crist, who supported a successful ballot initiative to amend the state’s constitution in a way that bars marriage equality for gay and lesbian families. The film also traced the careers of other anti-gay politicians rumored to be closeted gays themselves, such as Republican Congressman David Drier, a California representative.

In California, marriage equality was legal for six months in 2008, until voters narrowly approved Proposition 8, which rescinded marriage rights for gays, in November of that year.

I live in Bakersfield, this was a hit to those Christian gay ppl haters, etc.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by F A Y B A N

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Looks at sig=Clearly a proud Ibo man from Nigeria.


-Race doesn't exist, it's a social construct perpetuated by Europeans to subjugate other people
-I'm a hip hop head

-Life is too short to limit ur tastes and experiences.
-What the hell does Islam have to do with black people....I love how being atheist and non-judeochristian is synonymous with white when my ancestors had nothing to do with it before colonization.





NT is easily the most ignorant collection of human-beings on the internet. keep making assumptions about me, I'm NOT who you think I am.

 My dude, are you serious?  On that census joint, their is no differentiation amongst black skinned folk, we all black in this country and that is what I was referring to when I brought up perceived stereotypes.  If you actually read what I wrote you'd see I clearly stated "typical"and "perceived homogeneity."  I don't agree with the stereotypes either genius.  I didn't associate anything with anything, I'm bringing up the image of a black man that revolves around high crime rates, hip-hop, misogyny lust for big booty women, and whatever other nonsense bigots want to attribute to people of our color when that has nothing to do with how you, me, or any other black person views themselves.  Stereotypes are stereotypes, and they are all wrong.

Hey you're the one who tried to call me out for not being "black". Read what my response is and take it in that's all I have to say.

-I'm Nigerian
-I listen to hip hop, the blues and jazz
-Being non-religious doesn't make u less of a "black man"
-Cultures within the classically defined black race are drastically different
-Races of men, don't really exist.....

 

[antonlavey]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinani

this should be my religion...but this is considered paganism in modern time. Along with all the other ancient religions that preceded the judeochristian religions

 

[-Red-]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Lemme cliff notes everything i've tried to tell you

-MURDER is never justified, except in the case of self-defense.
-Race=i know why you're tryna bring this up but i simply don't wanna go there....I've already said it like 4 times in this thread the West and the "Islamic axis of evil" are both in the wrong. Ironically I'm a staunch critic of Isreal.

Number of questions I explicitly asked throughout this thread and in my last reply:  11

Number of questions you answered in this thread or in your last reply:  0

The questions that I have posed are genuine questions, most of which stem directly from your own posts.  If what you typed in this post is the only thing you want to say (which it apparently is as you keep repeating it and saying basically nothing else), then why act like you're trying to have an intelligent conversation?  Why even create a topic like this?  Is it a lack of ability to engage in such discourse or a lack of willingness?

I don't even know why I'm still asking questions to someone who apparently refuses to engage in meaningful dialogue

 

[wooly willy]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinani

this should be my religion...but this is considered paganism in modern time. Along with all the other ancient religions that preceded the judeochristian religions

Sorry to get off topic AntonLaVey but since this thread went sooooo off course anyways, what the heck

I have a question about the Igbo people. Has there been a Christian presence within the Igbo people before colonialism or was it until after colonialism that Christianity was adopted? I see on that link you provided it said the majority of Igbo people are Christian now but some still follow traditional practices. Sorry this question is so off topic but I've always been interested in the religious traditions of indigenous Africans and their adoption of other belief systems (Christianity, Islam, etc)

 

[hellomarco]

"Anti-Gay Calif. Politician Cited for DUI--After Leaving Gay Bar" Irony, at its finest

 

[nawlinsjunkie]

@#$% it yuku isnt letting me post right
Read Things Fall Apart by Chinua Achebe. Shows how the Christian missionaries came peacefully at first, then basically extended their control and told the native people that it was mandatory to follow Christianity and that it was now illegal to follow their traditional beliefs.

 

[tml09]

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[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Wooly Willy

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinani

this should be my religion...but this is considered paganism in modern time. Along with all the other ancient religions that preceded the judeochristian religions

Sorry to get off topic AntonLaVey but since this thread went sooooo off course anyways, what the heck

I have a question about the Igbo people. Has there been a Christian presence within the Igbo people before colonialism or was it until after colonialism that Christianity was adopted? I see on that link you provided it said the majority of Igbo people are Christian now but some still follow traditional practices. Sorry this question is so off topic but I've always been interested in the religious traditions of indigenous Africans and their adoption of other belief systems (Christianity, Islam, etc)

Nothing offends me more on NT than people insinuating that me beingnon-religious makes me less of a "BLACK" man. My ancestors were NOT christian. Christianity demonized every other religion.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Wooly Willy

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinani

this should be my religion...but this is considered paganism in modern time. Along with all the other ancient religions that preceded the judeochristian religions

Sorry to get off topic AntonLaVey but since this thread went sooooo off course anyways, what the heck

I have a question about the Igbo people. Has there been a Christian presence within the Igbo people before colonialism or was it until after colonialism that Christianity was adopted? I see on that link you provided it said the majority of Igbo people are Christian now but some still follow traditional practices. Sorry this question is so off topic but I've always been interested in the religious traditions of indigenous Africans and their adoption of other belief systems (Christianity, Islam, etc)

-I feel like you know the answer to this question

-Witchcraft is a huge thing in Nigerian from what I've heard. A lot of people who consider themselves christians still go to witch doctors for prosperity, good health and more often than not, with sinister intentions. That stuff terrifies me, I'm not gonna lie

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by red mpls

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Lemme cliff notes everything i've tried to tell you

-MURDER is never justified, except in the case of self-defense.
-Race=i know why you're tryna bring this up but i simply don't wanna go there....I've already said it like 4 times in this thread the West and the "Islamic axis of evil" are both in the wrong. Ironically I'm a staunch critic of Isreal.

Number of questions I explicitly asked throughout this thread and in my last reply:  11

Number of questions you answered in this thread or in your last reply:  0

The questions that I have posed are genuine questions, most of which stem directly from your own posts.  If what you typed in this post is the only thing you want to say (which it apparently is as you keep repeating it and saying basically nothing else), then why act like you're trying to have an intelligent conversation?  Why even create a topic like this?  Is it a lack of ability to engage in such discourse or a lack of willingness?

I don't even know why I'm still asking questions to someone who apparently refuses to engage in meaningful dialogue

- So there aren't always consequences to what a person says?
If you still haven't gotten the answer to this question/my point of view yet from this thread yet you and I are CANNOT having any kind of dialogue.

 

[btonnt]

Number of questions I explicitly asked throughout this thread and in my last reply:  11

Number of questions you answered in this thread or in your last reply:  0

The questions that I have posed are genuine questions, most of which stem directly from your own posts.  If what you typed in this post is the only thing you want to say (which it apparently is as you keep repeating it and saying basically nothing else), then why act like you're trying to have an intelligent conversation?  Why even create a topic like this?  Is it a lack of ability to engage in such discourse or a lack of willingness?

I don't even know why I'm still asking questions to someone who apparently refuses to engage in meaningful dialogue

WELCOME.




AntonLaVey, I think even if you do have some valid criticisms of Islam or religious extremism or organized religion in general (which I think you may), I think it's the way in which you're going about it that people find objection with.

it's really not difficult to grasp. your intent is to apply an insult here and not everyone agrees with the manner in which you're doing it or the rationale behind it. if you go back to the question that was posed to you which was along the lines of how you would feel/react if someone chose to attack you with a racial slur (which predicates grouping people + applying insult/blame across the sect) , and your response was

Clearly an *** whooping is in order.... I'm not killing anyone for calling me that tho.

seems to me that you're missing the point right there. You're finding justification by applying yourself to the extreme in the analogy rather than to the non-extremist (Muslim) who gets caught in your crossfire, which is largely deflecting the point of the comparison.  I don't think anyone here is justifying killing in the name of retaliation for drawing sacrilegious imagery. Where their sensibilities do find objection is in spreading insult across an entire sect of people who don't all support the extremism and violent actions and retaliations you're opposed to. When you assess the potential audience you'd likely be reaching here on NT, what do you suppose the ratio of violent Muslim extremists to (I guess) relatively moderate, ordinary individuals who were simply raised on and so subscribe to Islam are? ......Unless your point is to piss all over all of them......

I actually think it's possible you might have a lot of valid points to make, things to say that people might find interesting ...but honestly, is this the most appropriate way to do it?

I actually think you're flirting with violating some of the ROC of this board with some of the stuff between this thread and the last because what are you doing if not making unnecessarily provocative and derogatory statements towards another's religion?  I think you can make your points without being unnecessarily insulting or inflammatory and it'd serve everyone better. I mean you have enough insight to recognize race as a social construct...in that and this, is the goal to enlighten people you believe to be confined or manipulated by social constructs like race and religion or are you just trying to !### on everyone you don't think to be as smart as you or who don't come from the same circumstances that led them to believe or understand as you do?


OR were you just trying to get some SouthPark-type lulz?

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by BTonNT

Number of questions I explicitly asked throughout this thread and in my last reply:  11

Number of questions you answered in this thread or in your last reply:  0

The questions that I have posed are genuine questions, most of which stem directly from your own posts.  If what you typed in this post is the only thing you want to say (which it apparently is as you keep repeating it and saying basically nothing else), then why act like you're trying to have an intelligent conversation?  Why even create a topic like this?  Is it a lack of ability to engage in such discourse or a lack of willingness?

I don't even know why I'm still asking questions to someone who apparently refuses to engage in meaningful dialogue

WELCOME.




AntonLaVey, I think even if you do have some valid criticisms of Islam or religious extremism or organized religion in general (which I think you may), I think it's the way in which you're going about it that people find objection with.

it's really not difficult to grasp. your intent is to apply an insult here and not everyone agrees with the manner in which you're doing it or the rationale behind it. if you go back to the question that was posed to you which was along the lines of how you would feel/react if someone chose to attack you with a racial slur (which predicates grouping people + applying insult/blame across the sect) , and your response was

Clearly an *** whooping is in order.... I'm not killing anyone for calling me that tho.

seems to me that you're missing the point right there. You're finding justification by applying yourself to the extreme in the analogy rather than to the non-extremist (Muslim) who gets caught in your crossfire, which is largely deflecting the point of the comparison.  I don't think anyone here is justifying killing in the name of retaliation for drawing sacrilegious imagery. Where their sensibilities do find objection is in spreading insult across an entire sect of people who don't all support the extremism and violent actions and retaliations you're opposed to. When you assess the potential audience you'd likely be reaching here on NT, what do you suppose the ratio of violent Muslim extremists to (I guess) relatively moderate, ordinary individuals who were simply raised on and so subscribe to Islam are? ......Unless your point is to piss all over all of them......

I actually think it's possible you might have a lot of valid points to make, things to say that people might find interesting ...but honestly, is this the most appropriate way to do it?

I actually think you're flirting with violating some of the ROC of this board with some of the stuff between this thread and the last because what are you doing if not making unnecessarily provocative and derogatory statements towards another's religion?  I think you can make your points without being unnecessarily insulting or inflammatory and it'd serve everyone better. I mean you have enough insight to recognize race as a social construct...in that and this, is the goal to enlighten people you believe to be confined or manipulated by social constructs like race and religion or are you just trying to !### on everyone you don't think to be as smart as you or who don't come from the same circumstances that led them to believe or understand as you do?


OR were you just trying to get some SouthPark-type lulz?



I I wasn't criticizing Islam....I was condemning murder as a retaliation for drawing an image of muhammad, offensive or otherwise. People should be able to say/ draw whatever the hell they want without being killed for it. People are making this more complicated than it needs to be.

The response I was expecting is you right, it's a silly thing to kill someone over. Instead what I'm getting in this thread is people making excuses for extremism.

 

[btonnt]

just retracing the same circle.

so im done.

I wasn't criticizing Islam
perhaps disrespecting/insulting/defaming would be a more fitting description.... ?

go ahead & do you though.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by BTonNT

just retracing the same circle.

so im done.

I wasn't criticizing Islam

perhaps disrespecting/insulting/defaming would be a more fitting description.... ?

go ahead & do you though.




Still making excuses for extremism......

. People take shots/ poke fun at other religions all the time and it offends a lot of people but it won't be met with deadly force.

 

[shaunhillftw49]

He didn't exucse it.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by ShaunHillFTW49

He didn't exucse it.

Any response other than, it's wrong to murder people for this reason is creating justifications for their actions.

 

[gucci mane]

Why create the topic if the answer is YOU want to hear is just "oh ma gah you're completely right Anton"?

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Gucci Mane

Why create the topic if the answer is YOU want to hear is just "oh ma gah you're completely right Anton"

Well I shouldn't say "EXPECTED".....but wanted to hear. I gotta learn to keep my expectations of NT low when it comes to these topics. I just thought this was one thing religious and non-religious folk could agree on but I was asking for too much.

 

[gucci mane]

Idk most people here are agreeing with you. However not everything is black and white. The cartoonist knew it was a risk and he did it anyway. He's as much to blame as his murderer IMO.
If you know you'll get shot for pointing a gun at a cop and you do it, don't cry afterwards when you get shot. I know its not the best example but you should be able to see what I mean. Bottomline killing him was wrong, but he knew what he was getting into.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by Gucci Mane

Idk most people here are agreeing with you. However not everything is black and white. The cartoonist knew it was a risk and he did it anyway. He's as much to blame as his murderer IMO.
If you know you'll get shot for pointing a gun at a cop and you do it, don't cry afterwards when you get shot. I know its not the best example but you should be able to see what I mean. Bottomline killing him was wrong, but he knew what he was getting into.

That's like saying if women didn't wanna get raped, they shouldn't walk around in revealing outfits.