Better Call Saul Season Thread - Season Six - April 18th
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Aint nothing this ep made Chuck a scumbag.
I think yall forgetting lawyers pull scumbag moves like keeping their clients everyday.
I think yall forgetting lawyers pull scumbag moves like keeping their clients everyday.
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http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/mcgill-brothers-raise-stakes-their-professional-co-234724
From the AV Club's review.
Basically, what Chuck did was "bad" because he was vindictive and went after Mesa Verde simply to stick it to Kim (which was really sticking it to Jimmy). But all he really did was persuade a client to stay with them. Jimmy does the exact thing that Chuck hates (his abuse of power and not respecting the law) to get revenge on his brother.
I'm not hung up on the money stealing from the dad thing. I wouldn't have been surprised if it was "Chuck misunderstood, Jimmy was stealing and keeping it to protect his dad, whatever".. all I know is what we saw which was the dad was too easy of a target and Jimmy stole from him. What he intended to do with that money hasn't been shown, but I'm not worried about it.
Chuck loves and respects the law, Jimmy doesn't. That's what their relationship boils down to. Jimmy doesn't take it as seriously as Chuck.. so Chuck doesn't take Jimmy seriously at all. Jimmy worked hard, put the time in, he deserves some credit to me.. but for a guy like Chuck, I'm not surprised when he reacts the way he does.
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Dat opening scene though.
So is it a safe conjecture that the drugs are hidden in the tires?
So is it a safe conjecture that the drugs are hidden in the tires?
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Nah, man.
He didn't even seem all that interested until Howard told him about... Jimmy. THEN he bolts to his closet, "I'm going to the meeting!"
If Kim would have just went on her own, no renting with Jimmy, or she would have went to another firm and took that bank case with her, he just chalks it up to, "Welp, what'r'ya gonna do? On to the next one."
But, "Yep. She's pooling resources with Jimmy"? OH HAYL nah.
...So
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That AV Club review is much more scathing about what Jimmy did 
Damn.
He didn't even seem all that interested until Howard told him about... Jimmy. THEN he bolts to his closet, "I'm going to the meeting!"
If Kim would have just went on her own, no renting with Jimmy, or she would have went to another firm and took that bank case with her, he just chalks it up to, "Welp, what'r'ya gonna do? On to the next one."
But, "Yep. She's pooling resources with Jimmy"? OH HAYL nah.
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To him he's just making sure the monkey with the machine gun has as few as bullets as possible
Damn.
Nah, man.
He didn't even seem all that interested until Howard told him about... Jimmy. THEN he bolts to his closet, "I'm going to the meeting!"
If Kim would have just went on her own, no renting with Jimmy, or she would have went to another firm and took that bank case with her, he just chalks it up to, "Welp, what'r'ya gonna do? On to the next one."
But, "Yep. She's pooling resources with Jimmy"? OH HAYL nah.
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To him he's just making sure the monkey with the machine gun has as few as bullets as possible
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i thought the drugs were hidden in the boxes they didnt run thru the scanner
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Chuck is a beast!
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Nah, man.
He didn't even seem all that interested until Howard told him about... Jimmy. THEN he bolts to his closet, "I'm going to the meeting!"
If Kim would have just went on her own, no renting with Jimmy, or she would have went to another firm and took that bank case with her, he just chalks it up to, "Welp, what'r'ya gonna do? On to the next one."
But, "Yep. She's pooling resources with Jimmy"? OH HAYL nah.
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Exactly as soon as he heard jimmy dude got up and started looked at his suits with the special lining
And all of a sudden was cool with electricity and cell phones
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Yea, as soon as the name Jimmy dropped, he pulled that Grandpa Joe.
Yea, as soon as the name Jimmy dropped, he pulled that Grandpa Joe.
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On another note, Im starting the think the reason why Kimmy and Saul fall out is because she'll blame him for her failure of stepping out on here own.
Did Jimmy plant the seed? Yeah, but she didn't follow his game plan, and her hollier than thou attitude gone do her in.
Or she will eventually try it Jimmies way, get caught up, and blame Jimmy.
Either way her failure will be blamed on Jimmy.
Did Jimmy plant the seed? Yeah, but she didn't follow his game plan, and her hollier than thou attitude gone do her in.
Or she will eventually try it Jimmies way, get caught up, and blame Jimmy.
Either way her failure will be blamed on Jimmy.
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Exactly! I hope Jimmy's tampering really damages Chuck.
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We gotta know by now that it's just going to come back down on Jimmy eventually, though.
I see this as similar to BB in that we're pretty much rooting on a scumbag. I think part of the fun for the writers is seeing what it takes to make an audience turn on a main character.
Only thing is I really don't see Jimmy's motivations being as strong as Walt's, so I have a hard time ignoring the fact that he's kind of making bad decision after bad decision.
I see this as similar to BB in that we're pretty much rooting on a scumbag. I think part of the fun for the writers is seeing what it takes to make an audience turn on a main character.
Only thing is I really don't see Jimmy's motivations being as strong as Walt's, so I have a hard time ignoring the fact that he's kind of making bad decision after bad decision.
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Is Chuck McGill the Skyler White of Better Call Saul?
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felt the same way after this last episode. the stunt he pulled was way out of bounds. can have very bad implications for him, HHM and kim. the only upside occurs if he doesn't get caught, but its hard to figure a scenario where he isn't the first and only suspect.
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Jimmy's way was to form a 2 partner law firm. She doesn't want that cuz Jimmy admits he's still gonna be crooked.
If she does finally give in and does it his way and gets caught up or disbarred it'll be her fault due to Jimmy's influence and she'll be in the right to dump him and move on.
Some ppl aint really about that criminal life and shouldn't even be tempted cuz they'll do a half measure and not fully commit then get busted.
The way Jimmy simping I don't think he'd be able to take it if he felt responsible for her getting disbarred or going to prison.
Yeah in both shows, the writers seem to fool the audience by surrounding the scumbag main character with really unlikable ppl
So they spend all that time disliking them even though they're right and rooting for the dude in the wrong just cuz it's a bit of an underdog story.It is much harder for me to be rooting for Jimmy non-stop and hating a guy like Chuck. He's just a jerk and in a situation like that the answer is to distance yourself from him for good. It was different with ppl like Skylar cuz she was family.
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Chuck was specifically told they were just pooling resources..
Chuck heard partners in law and said as much then proceeded to insult jimmy.. Then ignored everything else being said to him.. Then walked away to the closet
Chuck heard partners in law and said as much then proceeded to insult jimmy.. Then ignored everything else being said to him.. Then walked away to the closet
What the **** is Chuck?
He's family, even moreso than Skylar. You can divorce a wife, you can't divorce a brother.
And if you think Chuck is "just" a jerk, then I don't know what to tell ya. He's absolutely no better than Jimmy, he's just slimy in a different way is all. Don't make him better, or cleaner or any of that.
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Eh, Walt had a wife and kid with another kid on the way. He wasn't getting a divorce. He didn't want one. Don't forget what went down when it was Skylar who wanted out. He was doing it all for his family in his mind.
What the **** is Chuck?
He's family, even moreso than Skylar. You can divorce a wife, you can't divorce a brother.
And if you think Chuck is "just" a jerk, then I don't know what to tell ya. He's absolutely no better than Jimmy, he's just slimy in a different way is all. Don't make him better, or cleaner or any of that.
At no point in BB does Walt express sentiment that Skylar betrayed him a great deal and wanted nothing to do with her. He still loved her even after she banged her boss.
In this situation, yeah you can absolutely divorce your brother. There's no reason AT ALL Jimmy has to see him again. Now for story reasons he'll stick around and that'll create conflict but Chuck does not need to be in Jimmy's life and Jimmy simply can't let that go or doesn't want to. I mean if my brother revealed to me he thought I was basically a bad person that shouldn't be in the field I'm in and that this entire time it was him sabotaging my professional career I'd never talk to or see him again. Jimmy has gone back to argue or speak to Chuck on several occasions since. That is a much EASIER situation to separate yourself from than Walt and Skylar.
Yeah, Chuck is a just a jerk to me so far. Typical lawyer type. Has done some foul stuff cuz he thinks he's right. Backstabbing, manipulation, etc. That's par for the course for most ppl in a profession like his.
Never said he was better than Jimmy but I (and the rest of us) have the advantage of looking at the final product. Jimmy as Saul was in on it with Walt to temporary poison Brock, Saul was down to ignore multiple murders, brushed off Mike's death like it was nothing. To me that's a whole other league than Chuck. If we kept it just to Jimmy and this show I think this recent ep kinda shows the differences in the two. Chuck aint willing to break the law, Jimmy will at the drop of the hat as long as he doesn't get caught.
But all that goes back to what I originally said, Jimmy right now does not have the motivations I can 100% get behind the way I totally understood and backed Walt's moves in BB. Right now Jimmy is simping for Kim and breaking the law to do it. What makes it worse is I know he won't even get the girl doing all this. At least Walt still got that money to his children. This is more watching a dude lost trying to get on the right path for him and **** up and lose ppl along the way. So dealing with a douche like Chuck doesn't provide any real rivalry I can support with gusto.
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Backing up Zik's point, my girlfriend is more family to me than people on this earth related me, including siblings.
I live with my girlfriend. That's family. I've got a sister who I don't consider family at all. My dad ain't my dad family. My girlfriend? Yeah, we can split, but she's more family to me than tons of people who have my same blood running through their veins.
I get the angle that Sky was Walt's family, but Chuck ain't Jimmy's fam. I get it.
I live with my girlfriend. That's family. I've got a sister who I don't consider family at all. My dad ain't my dad family. My girlfriend? Yeah, we can split, but she's more family to me than tons of people who have my same blood running through their veins.
I get the angle that Sky was Walt's family, but Chuck ain't Jimmy's fam. I get it.
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I look at Chuck as the star sibling whereas jimmy as always seen as the screw up.. Even though jimmy would have been wiser to the ways of the world and not willing to get down with the system
We see it all the time in the real world.. The one sibling who is book smart and the other is street smart.. Chuck was probably all cool with everything til jimmy went and got a law degree and then things became awkward
Then things probably started going wrong in chuck's life, like whatever goes down with his marriage.. Then all of sudden he has that sickness, which is his inability to deal with the world.. In his head he always had the whole holier than thou thing going and he was doing the right thing and what he deserved
We saw the dad was a sucker.. And jimmy tried to tell him he was getting played.. I guarantee there was a lot of "sure jimmy" going on in that household
Take this from a sibling that fell on that side of the coin, luckily my parents were more aligned with my thinking
We see it all the time in the real world.. The one sibling who is book smart and the other is street smart.. Chuck was probably all cool with everything til jimmy went and got a law degree and then things became awkward
Then things probably started going wrong in chuck's life, like whatever goes down with his marriage.. Then all of sudden he has that sickness, which is his inability to deal with the world.. In his head he always had the whole holier than thou thing going and he was doing the right thing and what he deserved
We saw the dad was a sucker.. And jimmy tried to tell him he was getting played.. I guarantee there was a lot of "sure jimmy" going on in that household
Take this from a sibling that fell on that side of the coin, luckily my parents were more aligned with my thinking
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This right here is the story of my life. Older brother was always top of the class academically. Eventually became a doctor. Can't remember him ever failing a damn thing in life. I always got into trouble, mostly average in school and got a Computer Science and Psychology degree for the sake of having an education. My street smarts > his though
