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Bill Clinton thinks he knows how to fix the country, do you agree?
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How did you address my logic when you just repeated exactly what I said.
I'm talking about downward mobility. Consider when the typical graduate finishes school and how much he expects to make on his first job. If entry level jobs are being filled by more qualified candidates released from higher positions, undergraduates are forced into retail and other low wage positions. I hate to go into it but if the salaries keep decreasing, the level of education and the work related experienced keep rising, and the cost of education keeps rising, you have a problem.
I've seen numerous studies on the value of a b.s. compared to that of 10 and 20 years ago and they are depressing. You want to see class wars, this is it. Look at the NY school system, education and it's costs are real and the competition will class a lot of people out.
I wasn't saying your logic, I was addressing his. The problem is that these kids are expecting jobs just because they have a piece of paper that says they finished something. Big deal. My argument is that I think too many people are in college, because it is heavily subsidized. Education advocates think that just because you go to college and graduate that it is better for the country. A lot of those entry level jobs do not require you to go to college, so why are people going to college to get a piece of paper when someone else who has the job doesn't?
In a previous thread I also argued that people with technical experience or who graduate with an A.A. or Vocational degree are better and more prepared for the labor force than people who get Bachelors. But how could that be? Those people who have A.A.'s and Vocational degrees are constantly have a hands on approach and are very experienced.
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How did you address my logic when you just repeated exactly what I said.
I'm talking about downward mobility. Consider when the typical graduate finishes school and how much he expects to make on his first job. If entry level jobs are being filled by more qualified candidates released from higher positions, undergraduates are forced into retail and other low wage positions. I hate to go into it but if the salaries keep decreasing, the level of education and the work related experienced keep rising, and the cost of education keeps rising, you have a problem.
I've seen numerous studies on the value of a b.s. compared to that of 10 and 20 years ago and they are depressing. You want to see class wars, this is it. Look at the NY school system, education and it's costs are real and the competition will class a lot of people out.
I wasn't saying your logic, I was addressing his. The problem is that these kids are expecting jobs just because they have a piece of paper that says they finished something. Big deal. My argument is that I think too many people are in college, because it is heavily subsidized. Education advocates think that just because you go to college and graduate that it is better for the country. A lot of those entry level jobs do not require you to go to college, so why are people going to college to get a piece of paper when someone else who has the job doesn't?
In a previous thread I also argued that people with technical experience or who graduate with an A.A. or Vocational degree are better and more prepared for the labor force than people who get Bachelors. But how could that be? Those people who have A.A.'s and Vocational degrees are constantly have a hands on approach and are very experienced.
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FDR?
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I blame Reagan.
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I blame Reagan.
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Well Bill Clinton did do pretty damn well as president..
As for Bill Clinton and today's economy... He gets blame for deregulating Wall Street at the end of his term. He even says he was wrong.. That's what he gets for listening to Wall Street... Then Bush just decides to deregulate 100x further, and magic we end up with collapsing economy...
For example at Obama's Economic Town Hall Meeting a Wall Street guy was there and said "I represent the Wall Street community, we have felt like a pinata, you probably don't feel like you are whacking us, but we certainly feel like we have been whacked with a stick. When are you going to stop whacking at the Wall Street pinata?"
You can't say anything to these people, Obama has been weak (to put it lightly) on Wall Street (compared to Bush he is Ray Lewis but nonetheless) and they are pinatas? If they got what they deserved, or even half of what they deserved, well you get the picture.
As for Bill Clinton and today's economy... He gets blame for deregulating Wall Street at the end of his term. He even says he was wrong.. That's what he gets for listening to Wall Street... Then Bush just decides to deregulate 100x further, and magic we end up with collapsing economy...
For example at Obama's Economic Town Hall Meeting a Wall Street guy was there and said "I represent the Wall Street community, we have felt like a pinata, you probably don't feel like you are whacking us, but we certainly feel like we have been whacked with a stick. When are you going to stop whacking at the Wall Street pinata?"
You can't say anything to these people, Obama has been weak (to put it lightly) on Wall Street (compared to Bush he is Ray Lewis but nonetheless) and they are pinatas? If they got what they deserved, or even half of what they deserved, well you get the picture.
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Well Bill Clinton did do pretty damn well as president..
As for Bill Clinton and today's economy... He gets blame for deregulating Wall Street at the end of his term. He even says he was wrong.. That's what he gets for listening to Wall Street... Then Bush just decides to deregulate 100x further, and magic we end up with collapsing economy...
For example at Obama's Economic Town Hall Meeting a Wall Street guy was there and said "I represent the Wall Street community, we have felt like a pinata, you probably don't feel like you are whacking us, but we certainly feel like we have been whacked with a stick. When are you going to stop whacking at the Wall Street pinata?"
You can't say anything to these people, Obama has been weak (to put it lightly) on Wall Street (compared to Bush he is Ray Lewis but nonetheless) and they are pinatas? If they got what they deserved, or even half of what they deserved, well you get the picture.
As for Bill Clinton and today's economy... He gets blame for deregulating Wall Street at the end of his term. He even says he was wrong.. That's what he gets for listening to Wall Street... Then Bush just decides to deregulate 100x further, and magic we end up with collapsing economy...
For example at Obama's Economic Town Hall Meeting a Wall Street guy was there and said "I represent the Wall Street community, we have felt like a pinata, you probably don't feel like you are whacking us, but we certainly feel like we have been whacked with a stick. When are you going to stop whacking at the Wall Street pinata?"
You can't say anything to these people, Obama has been weak (to put it lightly) on Wall Street (compared to Bush he is Ray Lewis but nonetheless) and they are pinatas? If they got what they deserved, or even half of what they deserved, well you get the picture.
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Banks?
The Blame Bush line has to stop, its been almost 2 full years of obama, and since things have gotten worse, it isn't Bush's fault for now, it is from 2000-2008.
History doesn't just disappear because the person is no longer in power.
Kind of like how you guys blame Clinton for the economic crisis of 2008? Right???????????????????? Or the housing bubble? Right??????????????
I say we follow this metric..
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Banks?
The Blame Bush line has to stop, its been almost 2 full years of obama, and since things have gotten worse, it isn't Bush's fault for now, it is from 2000-2008.
History doesn't just disappear because the person is no longer in power.
Kind of like how you guys blame Clinton for the economic crisis of 2008? Right???????????????????? Or the housing bubble? Right??????????????
I say we follow this metric..
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Clinton is GOAT.
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Clinton is GOAT.
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The Clinton years were some of the most prosperous in recent history.
Let's not forget that.
Let's not forget that.
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The Clinton years were some of the most prosperous in recent history.
Let's not forget that.
Let's not forget that.
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Some of you are blaming Clinton for our current problems. Were any of you even alive during Bush Sr.'s presidency? Do you not realize that it was an unnecessary gulf war that got us into this mess in the first place and escalated even further when "operation enduring freedom" began? It's WAR that gets us between a rock and a hard place. The economic impact is tremendous as we can all see.
We can all point and blame but the only thing that needs to happen at this point is GETTING THE JOB DONE. We elect these officials into office and all they do is throw political punches at each other. They need to be held accountable by the US the PEOPLE.
We can all point and blame but the only thing that needs to happen at this point is GETTING THE JOB DONE. We elect these officials into office and all they do is throw political punches at each other. They need to be held accountable by the US the PEOPLE.
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Some of you are blaming Clinton for our current problems. Were any of you even alive during Bush Sr.'s presidency? Do you not realize that it was an unnecessary gulf war that got us into this mess in the first place and escalated even further when "operation enduring freedom" began? It's WAR that gets us between a rock and a hard place. The economic impact is tremendous as we can all see.
We can all point and blame but the only thing that needs to happen at this point is GETTING THE JOB DONE. We elect these officials into office and all they do is throw political punches at each other. They need to be held accountable by the US the PEOPLE.
We can all point and blame but the only thing that needs to happen at this point is GETTING THE JOB DONE. We elect these officials into office and all they do is throw political punches at each other. They need to be held accountable by the US the PEOPLE.
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of Clinton was so horrible, how come our country was at its best?
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of Clinton was so horrible, how come our country was at its best?
Ah yes. Inflationary policies were done by Alan Greenspan when they artificially lowered interests rates in order to let banks lend money to people to buy home when they couldn't afford it. Do you know anything about economics? Do you even know how to balance a check book for that matter? Budget surpluses aren't real, they don't even exist. When you run a SURPLUS, that means you debt has to be DIMINISHED.
- In 1997, the federal debt was $5.370 trillion.
- In 1998, it increased by $109 billion to $5.479 trillion.
- In 1999, it increased by $127 billion to $5.606 trillion.
- In 2000, it increased by $23 billion to $5.629 trillion.
- In 2001 it increased by $141 billion to $5.770 trillion.
Also, you have to take into account on how Social Security is even counted. Up until recently, Social Security always use to take in more than it shelled out. Social Security use to be counted separately from the federal budget, but since the 1960's or so, they started counting it together where Social Security was LOANING money to the Treasury to pay down their debts. Why? Because Social Security was taking in so much money that they could lend the money to the Treasury and not make the debts look that bad.
Social Security = Ponzi Scheme
Clinton's "surplus" = FRAUD
What does Alan Greenspan's rates have to do with Clinton's policies? Also, in the context of current and past Presidents, a 400 billion dollar increase in the debt over 5 years is not inflationary.
What does social security have to do with this?
(There's also a pretty good chance I know more about economics than you, unless you are actually an economist)
Ah yes. Inflationary policies were done by Alan Greenspan when they artificially lowered interests rates in order to let banks lend money to people to buy home when they couldn't afford it. Do you know anything about economics? Do you even know how to balance a check book for that matter? Budget surpluses aren't real, they don't even exist. When you run a SURPLUS, that means you debt has to be DIMINISHED.
- In 1997, the federal debt was $5.370 trillion.
- In 1998, it increased by $109 billion to $5.479 trillion.
- In 1999, it increased by $127 billion to $5.606 trillion.
- In 2000, it increased by $23 billion to $5.629 trillion.
- In 2001 it increased by $141 billion to $5.770 trillion.
Also, you have to take into account on how Social Security is even counted. Up until recently, Social Security always use to take in more than it shelled out. Social Security use to be counted separately from the federal budget, but since the 1960's or so, they started counting it together where Social Security was LOANING money to the Treasury to pay down their debts. Why? Because Social Security was taking in so much money that they could lend the money to the Treasury and not make the debts look that bad.
Social Security = Ponzi Scheme
Clinton's "surplus" = FRAUD
What does Alan Greenspan's rates have to do with Clinton's policies? Also, in the context of current and past Presidents, a 400 billion dollar increase in the debt over 5 years is not inflationary.
What does social security have to do with this?
(There's also a pretty good chance I know more about economics than you, unless you are actually an economist)
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The computer was entering mainstream society. Not to mention cell phones and other communication and information technologies. This created a technological boom and the economy was growing rapidly. U could have put george w. bush in the white house in the late 90's and we would have been proporous.
