BREAKING NEWS: Terrorism in Mumbai...87dead, 185 wounded..Taj Mahal hotel on fire..

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been following the story on CNN

RIP to the victims
 
This is a really sad event. I'm bewildered by the fact of low number of responses/posts from other members, even the black friday page is getting blown upwhile deaths of our fellow human beings are not even cared about. Condolences to the victims.
 
Dang. This is one of the worst things I've heard in a while. RIP to those who lost their lives
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101 dead, 314 wounded

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I wonder how many terrorists there are held up in the hotels...
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rip to those that died....

but its not a shock to me...nothing is a shock to me anymore....
 
why don't we send some aid (intelligence as well as commandos) before we lose the rest of the hostages, I don't think the security personnel in indiacan handle this type of situations.


Originally Posted by NothingBefore

SOON YOU'LL UNDERSTAND
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are you one of them or something?
 
Insane, Just got an email at work offering a toll free # to contatc forgin affairs for those who are concerned
 
Originally Posted by sunny559

Originally Posted by MarTdiZzle23

TC correct the title
now this will automatically be blamed upon Pakistan and mark my words another Indo-Pakistani War. Tensions have been escalating recently.
RIP to those who died but it has been going on for sometime in India and Pakistan
When will these attacks end in the subcontinent there is no end to it.
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thats what i thought too, but i don't pakistan wants to lose a 3rd time...
anyways, i called my fam in india, they live across the country from where the attacks happened but tension is thick...
RIP...
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what did I tell you even though the Deccan Mujahadeen has claimed responsibility look at this from yahoo.com:
[h1]Militants who attacked Mumbai came from Pakistan: army official[/h1]MUMBAI (AFP) - Militants who staged multiple attacks in the Indian city of Mumbai, killing at least 125 people and injuring hundreds more, came from Pakistan, a senior military official said on Thursday.
"They are from across the border and perhaps from Faridkot, Pakistan. They tried to pretend that they were from Hyderabad," Major General R.K. Hooda, leading the military operation to flush out the extremists, told reporters.
 
Pakistan condemns Mumbai attacks

By STEPHEN GRAHAM, Associated Press Writer Stephen Graham, Associated Press Writer - 10 mins ago


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - Pakistan warned Thursday against "knee-jerk reactions" after more than 100 people died in attacks in India that New Delhiblamed on terrorists based outside its borders.

India and Pakistan have fought three wars since independence from Britain in 1947, and India has frequently blamed Pakistan for past terrorist attacks in itsterritory.

Any renewed chill in their relations could dash U.S. hopes for Pakistan to focus more squarely on tackling al-Qaida and Taliban militants along the Afghanborder.

Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, who was visiting India as part of a slow-moving South Asian peace process, said he was "shocked andhorrified" by Wednesday's attacks in Mumbai.

He pledged the full cooperation of Pakistan's young government to counter terrorism in the region, according to The Press Trust of India, and appeared tocaution against blaming militants linked to Pakistan for the attacks.

"We have to develop a better understanding" of the incident, Qureshi told reporters. "Let us not jump to conclusions, let us not go in forknee-jerk reactions."

A previously unknown militant group identifying itself as the Deccan Mujahideen reportedly claimed responsibility for the Mumbai attacks.

In an address to the nation, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said Thursday it was "evident" that a "group based outside the country"carried out the attacks.

He didn't elaborate, or name Pakistan, but he said India would "take up strongly with our neighbors that the use of their territory for launchingattacks on us will not be tolerated and that there will be a cost if suitable measures are not taken by them."

Earlier, Indian navy spokesman Capt. Manohar Nambiar said navy officers were boarding a cargo vessel that had recently come to Mumbai from Karachi, Pakistan,on suspicion of links to the Mumbai attacks. Hours later, he said nothing suspicious was found on board and that the ship had been released.

Pakistan's Port and Shipping Minister Nabil Gabol called suspicions that the boat had links to the Mumbai attacks a "false allegation."

Relations between India and Pakistan have improved in recent years, helped by a reduction in the flow of militants into Kashmir, the divided and violence-tornHimalayan territory at the core of their dispute.

Pakistan's new president, Asif Ali Zardari, declared at the weekend that India posed no threat to Pakistan and called for the heavily militarized border tobe opened for trade.

However, past terrorist strikes in India have brought the nuclear-armed rivals close to war, despite Islamabad's denials of involvement.

India has accused Pakistan over a string of attacks including the 2001 assault on the Indian parliament in New Delhi by militants fighting Indian rule inKashmir.

More recently, Indian accused Pakistan's intelligence services of helping Taliban militants bomb its embassy in the Afghan capital in July, killing 58people.

Pakistani officials say there is no evidence to support the allegations,

U.S. President-elect Barack Obama has expressed hope that improved India-Pakistan relations would allow Islamabad to focus on combating Islamic militants alongthe Afghan border.
 
There is so much hate in this world. I'm still riding the high of having the first African-American president-elect and thinking that it will meanimprovement on racial and ethnic relations everywhere and then this happens. R.I.P. to those who lost their lives in this act of selfishness. Stuff like thisalways happens around the holidays, it is sad. I will never understand how people could kill innocent people over things that they have no control over. Howcould you kill a bunch of Americans or Britains when they have absolutely nothing to do with the policy that you are pissed off about??? Makes no sense to me.
 
I think India is blind to what is going on in their own country to immediately place the blame on Pakistan. They have disenfranchised a group of people fordecades. They retaliated just not in the most accepted way.
 
my gfs brother in law is going there on saturday, specifically Bombay to meet up with his wife, but i dont think he should go
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Originally Posted by Alchemiss

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by Dakingii

Damn why do they hate Americans so much
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I think because we try to play world police.
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Yay we agree on something
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But real talk, a lot of these people are born into hatred.. It's really sad. These pictures and videos actually brought tears to my eyes, there always has been so much hate in this world its just sickening
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We have been placed into the role of world police for a long time......its nothing new.....but the level of hatred right now is higher thanever......
 
I'll wait for some more news. There's always more to the story. Especially news having to deal with the financial fallout from this.
The timing is already fishy.
 
[h1]Mumbai atrocities highlight need for solution in Kashmir[/h1] [h2]Jihadi groups will exploit Muslim grievances unless peace can be brought to the troubled state[/h2]

Three weeks ago, in the Kashmiri capital of Srinagar, I met a young surgeon named Dr Iqbal Saleem. Iqbal described to me how on 11 August this year, Indian security forces entered the hospital where he was fighting to save the lives of unarmed civilian protesters who had been shot earlier that day by the Indian army. The operating theatre had been tear-gassed and the wards riddled with bullets, creating panic and injuring several of the nurses. Iqbal had trained at the Apollo hospital in Delhi and said he harboured no hatred against Hindus or Indians. But the incident had profoundly disgusted him and the unrepentant actions of the security forces, combined with the indifference of the Indian media, had convinced him that Kashmir needed its independence.

I thought back to this conversation last week, when news came in that the murderous attackers of Mumbai had brutally assaulted the city's hospitals in addition to the more obvious Islamist targets of five-star hotels, Jewish centres and cafes frequented by Americans and Brits. Since then, the links between the Mumbai attacks and the separatist struggle in Kashmir have become ever more explicit. There now seems to be a growing consensus that the operation is linked to the Pakistan-based jihadi outfit, Lashkar-e-Taiba, whose leader, Hafiz Muhammad Sayeed, operates openly from his base at Muridhke outside Lahore.

This probable Pakistani origin of the Mumbai attacks, and the links to Kashmir-focused jihadi groups, means that the horrific events have to be seen in the context of the wider disaster of Western policy in the region since 9/11. The abject failure of the Bush administration to woo the people of Pakistan and Afghanistan away from the Islamists and, instead, managing to convince many of them of the hostility of the West towards all Muslim aspirations, has now led to a gathering catastrophe in Afghanistan where the once-hated Taliban are now again at the gates of Kabul.

Meanwhile, the blowback from that Afghan conflict in Pakistan has meant that Asif Ali Zardari's government has now lost control of much of the North West Frontier Province, in addition to the Federally Administrated Tribal Areas, while religious and political extremism flourishes as never before.

Pakistan's most intractable problem remains the relationship of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) over the last 25 years with myriad jihadi groups. Once, the ISI believed that they could use jihadis for their own ends, but the Islamists have increasingly followed their own agendas, to the extent that they now feel capable of launching well-equipped and well-trained armies into Indian territory, as happened so dramatically in Mumbai.

Visiting Pakistan last week, it was clear that much of the north of the country was slipping out of government control. While it is unlikely that Zardari's government had any direct link to the Mumbai attacks, there is every reason to believe that its failure effectively to crack down on the country's jihadi network, and its equivocation with figures such as Hafiz Muhammad Syed, means that atrocities of the kind we saw last week are likely to continue.

India meanwhile continues to make matters worse by its ill-treatment of the people of Kashmir, which has handed to the jihadis an entire generation of educated, angry middle-class Muslims. One of the clean-shaven boys who attacked CST railway station - now named by the Indian media as Mohammad Ajmal Mohammad Amin Kasab, from Faridkot in the Pakistani Punjab - was wearing a Versace T-shirt. The other boys in the operation wore jeans and Nikes and were described by eyewitnesses as chikna or well-off. These were not poor, madrasah-educated Pakistanis from the villages, brainwashed by mullahs, but angry and well-educated, middle-class kids furious at the gross injustice they perceive being done to Muslims by Israel, the US, the UK and India in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and Kashmir respectively.

If Israel's treatment of the Palestinians is the most emotive issue for Muslims in the Middle East, then India's treatment of the people of Kashmir plays a similar role among South-Asian Muslims. At the Partition of India and Pakistan in 1947, the state should logically have gone to Pakistan. However, the pro-Indian sympathies of the state's Hindu Maharajah, as well as the Kashmiri origins of the Indian Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, led to the state passing instead to India - on the condition that the Kashmiris retained a degree of autonomy.

Successive Indian governments, however, refused to honour their constitutional commitments to the state. The referendum, promised by Nehru at the UN, on whether the state would remain part of India, was never held. Following the shameless rigging of the 1987 local elections, Kashmiri leaders went underground. Soon after, bombings and assassination began, assisted by Pakistan's ISI which ramped up the conflict by sending over the border thousands of heavily armed jihadis.

India, meanwhile, responded with great brutality to the insurgency. Half-a-million Indian soldiers and paramilitaries were dispatched to garrison the valley. There were mass arrests and much violence against ordinary civilians, little of which was ever investigated, either by the government or the Indian media. Two torture centres were set up - Papa 1 and Papa 2 - into which large numbers of local people would 'disappear'. In all, some 70,000 people have now lost their lives in the conflict. India and Pakistan have fought three inconclusive wars over Kashmir, while a fourth mini-war came alarmingly close to igniting a nuclear exchange between the two countries in 1999. Now, after the Mumbai attacks, Kashmir looks likely to derail yet again the burgeoning peace process between India and Pakistan.

Kashmir continues to divide the establishment of Pakistan more than any other issue. Zardari might publicly announce that he doesn't want to let Kashmir get in the way of improved relations between India and Pakistan, but Lashkar-e-Taiba, which is officially banned, continues to function under the name of Jama'at al-Dawa, and Hafiz Muhammad Sayeed continues openly to incite strikes against Indian and Western targets. At one recent meeting, he proclaimed that 'Christians, Jews and Hindus are enemies of Islam' and added that it was the aim of the Lashkar to 'unfurl the green flag of Islam in Washington, Tel Aviv and New Delhi'.

Sayeed also proclaims that the former princely state of what he calls 'Hyderabad Deccan' is also a part of Pakistan, which may explain the claim of responsibility for the attacks by a previously unknown group named the Deccan Mujahideen. It is clear Sayeed appears to operate with a measure of patronage from the Pakistani establishment and the Zardari government recently cleared the purchase of a bulletproof Land Cruiser for him. When Pakistan's Foreign Minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi, was yesterday asked on Indian TV whether Pakistan would now arrest Sayeed, he dodged the question answering: 'We have to recognise that there are elements in every society that can act on their own.'

In the months ahead, we are likely to see a security crackdown in India and huge pressure applied to Pakistan to match its pro-Indian and pro-Western rhetoric with real action against the country's jihadi groups. But there is unlikely to be peace in South Asia until the demands of the Kashmiris are in some measure addressed and the swamp of grievance in Srinagar somehow drained. Until then, the Mumbai massacres may be a harbinger of more violence to come.

To understand what is going on in the present, you have to understand the history.

This fact, however, is overlooked 90% of the time and attacks are blamed on "Crazy Muslims" who "hate everything the west offers." Its agross misrepresentation of the political goals of people who have been oppressed and/or ignored for decades, and feel that they only way to get their messageacross to the world is through violence since they've tried everything else. It really is sad that it has to come to things like this, but its even sadderhow easily these problems could have been avoided. Just with a little understanding of both sides and not one closed minded view of the world by most Westernpowers.
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