Bulls offseason Thread

illmatic34 said:
Agreed with the Thibs/Gar/Adams fiasco. That has me legitimately concerned.

At no point did I say the bench was a second class concern - I said it wasn't the most important part of our team so don't take my words out of context. And I never talked down on Marco and Nate. I was simply iterating the point that signing them to bigger contracts would mean moving someone for more cap space, and I'm not sure there are any players you can move in that situation without getting worse.
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Not saying you talked those guys down but your statement did leave the impression that you feel the Front Office has got this all under control and we should trust em , I hope you see how patterns start, they gamble on the bench it works and they just keep gambling. Gar is clearly cocky and that nate and marco gamble paid off so what next ill just keep breaking down the bench, get rid of a lead assistant, maybe I'll gamble on the starting line up next. Gar overpays and cripples us on pieces he shouldn't leading to these issues, I wont argue his scouting of players for the draft he been gold there
 
Tension building between Forman, Thibodeau?
First Bulls GM doesn't renew Adams' contract, then angers coach with comments


By K.C. Johnson, Chicago Tribune reporter

10:35 p.m. CDT, July 1, 2013

Unite and move forward.

That's the message general manager Gar Forman presented Monday, two days after the Tribune reported Forman, not coach Tom Thibodeau, decided not to renew lead assistant coach Ron Adams' contract, which expired Sunday.

Forman's theory will be tested immediately. Two sources said Thibodeau, who didn't comment on Adams' departure other than in a statement, didn't like Forman divulging his thoughts about Thibodeau's coaching in explaining the Adams decision.

"Tom makes the decisions on the floor," Forman said. "I think he's as good a coach as there is in the NBA. I think he does a great job. Do I agree with absolute every decision he makes? We communicate and probably not. But I'm going to support decisions he makes. And I think he's going to support decisions I make. As long as once they are made, we unite and move forward because the goal is to make this team better and compete for a championship."

Forman said he and Thibodeau "have a very good working relationship." Yet he offered that assessment alone, returning for a second news conference after Thibodeau notably had only joined him in the first to introduce draft picks Tony Snell and Erik Murphy before returning to his office.

"Ron is a great friend, an outstanding coach and I will miss him," Thibodeau said in his statement.

Forman repeatedly rebuffed questions on why he released Adams, one of the league's more respected assistants and one respected by Bulls players. The Tribune reported Saturday that Forman objected to Adams' displeasure with personnel moves.

Tellingly, Forman did say Thibodeau will continue to have a voice as far as recommending hires but that Forman has final say over all personnel decisions. While this dynamic is true in most organizations, a head coach more often than not has stronger say in his staff.

"Tom and I communicate on a daily basis," Forman said. "There are times where I may make decisions that Tom doesn't totally agree with. There may be times where Tom makes decisions that I don't totally agree with. It's like that in any business. I've got to make decisions that I feel are best for the Bulls."

Forman said the rest of the staff remains in place and under contract and there would be internal discussions on whether Adams will be replaced. The Tribune reported Adrian Griffin could be promoted to lead assistant.

"We want to thank Ron for what he's brought and wish him the best of luck in the future," Forman said. "We make tens if not hundreds of decisions ever year, from free agency to trades to the draft to different personnel within the organization. When we make a decision like this, it doesn't serve anybody well to go into detail. The decision was made by me because I felt it was best for the Bulls moving forward."

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As @KCJHoop reports on Gar Forman's dismissal of Tom Thibodeau's top aide, relationship between Bulls' GM and coach easily worst in NBA.
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amel223 said:
The thing that sucks is the chicago fan base is a little too loyal. We are top in attendance no matter whether we are in the bottom or on the top. It doesn't give the front office much incentive to make the team better and it probably doesn't give them much incentive to prevent Thibs leaving. And it would probably hurt to see Rose go but somehow I think they'llget over it pretty fast. This is the same front office who watchedd Mj and Phil go, like it's been mentioned. Very disconcerting. It's why the front office doesn't have any problems making power plays or delaying resigning Thibs or maintain the status quo in free agency.

Ironically, if Chicago had a fairweather fan base like Miami, the team would be better. The front office would be bending over backwards and on their knees making Thibs and Rose happy.
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I am very close, about one or two seasons away, from just rooting for players not organizations.

The Krause / PJax / MJ fiasco almost did it, but if this current FO continues this trend that may just do it for me.
 
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I know we are far from this.... (Hopefully)

But I always said if Pooh leaves I wouldn't blame em....

Unnecessary *** rifts between FO/Head Coach just shouldn't occur, especially in an environment where winning has increased drastically. We have key pieces, just missing that final piece of the puzzle and the reluctancy on the FO end to make that move is puzzling... I understand we are financially in a bad spot, for one more year at least, but sometimes u need to just dig in the pockets and make a splash... Only thing that can come from it is good. Even tho it was the right thing to let O walk to Houston money wise, Gar/Pax cockiness and under appreciation/evaluation of the market for him once the offseason hit really started this mess... That move has been like a curse...
 
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Well thibs needs to get over it. He's always saying next man up and we have enough to win. Don't let an overrated coach derail the plan. Our offensive sets were never creative or consistent enough in crunch time. If thibs gets the right coach in place now we can have a very good offense with the return or rose and emergence of buckets.
 
mosdef24 said:
Well thibs needs to get over it. He's always saying next man up and we have enough to win. Don't let an overrated coach derail the plan. Our offensive sets were never creative or consistent enough in crunch time. If thibs gets the right coach in place now we can have a very good offense with the return or rose and emergence of buckets.
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I'll credit the Bulls recent success more to Thibs than I ever will to Gar. He's not overrated.
 
in what world is Thibs is overrated 
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frankl1001 said:
pretty sure they are talking about his aide not thibs
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yeah im talking about his assistant. im sure hes great but i never heard his name until he wasn't re-signed. and we dont run anything special on offense, except a high pick and roll which teams like miami constantly trap and cause turnovers.
 
We still need a 2 though. Even though Jimmy Butler is solid I feel like him playing 2 is playing out of position he's definitely better at 3
 
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if butler can develop his game to be effective on the drive but right now him and lu basically have the same limitations offensively
 
I'm not too concerned about finding an assistant. Trying to build a deeper bench and finding a 2 guard who can create his own shot are my main concerns. I don't agree with bringing Nazr back either, we need a legit back up big man for Jo so Taj doesn't have to play the 5.
 
I may be in the minority while I do agree that naturally jimmy is a 3, I do believe he making big progress into becoming a true 2 gaurd, he's putting in the work for the transition and I think it will work
 
All we need is for Rose to return to Mvp form, for the bench not to be worse than last year's, and for Jimmy Butler to continue to improve and we're good for Eastern conference finals easily. And if Snell can surprise everyone and turn out to be a Tayshaun Prince clone, so much the better.
 
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amel223 said:
All we need is for Rose to return to Mvp form, for the bench not to be worse than last year's, and for Jimmy Butler to continue to improve and we're good for Eastern conference finals easily. And if Snell can surprise everyone and turn out to be a Tayshaun Prince clone, so much the better.
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Nice to see someone else get it.......
 
This Forman dude is pissing me off. All the years I sat and watched us be trash after Mike left. Now we actually on to something. And this ***** is trying to **** it up!
 
Apparently Gar isn't happy about Thibs wearing out our players and having them play too many minutes. Which is exactly the reason why VDN and Pax got into it.

Funny how y'all were quick to throw Gar under the bus when there's always two sides to a story.
 
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