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By saying that it came too late or to uphold the binding agreement there couldn't be any changes made.
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Yall know the Maloofs better than I do. How do yall see this ending?
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They're broke and know that they won't survive another season in Sacramento. They'll take the money in less than a week. That's my prediction.
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Relocation voting to keep Kings in Sac.
A few days pass after negotiating with Vivek, realizing now that Hansen/Ballmer's bid no longer exists they will NEVER see this type of value on the Kings especially after it's been established that they are unmovable, and they strike a record setting deal with Vivek and Co to keep the Kings in Sac.
and who knows, maybe they might actually come out of this looking like heroes
(pure speculation on my part, I have a slight inkling that if the vote comes quickly, Vivek and the Maloofs might have a deal as quickly as the end of tomorrow night)
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I kinda wanted to say this as well.... but whateverdogg it is CLEAR you do not want the kings to stay
come on dog!
I'll take him for his word
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for the sake of getting the beast, Adriane Maloof, out of the right side photo gallery I'm gonna post some of my favorite Kings pictures
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When the Maloofs bought the team and became owners, part of the contract they signed was a "Waiver of Recourse." Basically they signed onto not being able to sue the other owners even if they wanted. Knowing them, they had no idea what the hell they were putting their signatures on.
We might never know what is contained in the binding agreement between the Maloofs and the Hansen/Ballmer group. But one thing for sure is that they're not allowed to do business or negotiate with other groups. Demanding from another group to match is a form of negotiations and would be breach of contract with Hansen/Ballmer.
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I kinda wanted to say this as well.... but whateverdogg it is CLEAR you do not want the kings to stay
come on dog!
I'll take him for his word
Real talk, before I really looked into the situation I did want them to move.
I thought this was a situation where a city was being taken advantage of by a billionaire in order to get a free basketball arena. I also heard that one of the richest people in world would basically spend anything to get a team back in Seattle.
I did a little research and I changed my mind. This isn't a Miami Marlins situation. The Kings will actually generate a net positive economic impact on the city of Sacramento. Also I looked at how as recently as 3 years ago Arco was in the top 10 in attendance. People went to the games for 20 years and they weren't that good. Give em a brand new arena downtown and some hope and they will be back.
I live in a city with a bad downtown in comparison to other major cities like Chicago, New York etc. I had no idea Sac's was even worse. Once again its not just basketball fans that can benefit from that.
And finally my Dad is a Piston fan, the Pistons have horrible attendance due to the economy and no city that has shown they will support a team should lose their team. It just ain't right.
It does bother me that a city like Charlotte and New Orleans has a basketball team when Its so obvious those markets don't need them.
Sacramento needs the Kings and Seattle deserves a team.
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Not as much a matter of need as it is a matter of support. The NBA failed once in Charlotte, then turned right around and went back. I know the NFL has done that, but they did it in Cleveland (a storied and rabid NFL fan base that got SCREWED) and Houston (Texas, a football state). It made ZERO sense for the NBA to go back to Charlotte, which is in the middle of college basketball country.
As for New Orleans, Stern decided it was his mission to never abandon New Orleans under any circumstance. However, the logical move would have been to relocate the Hornets to OKC after Katrina, and keep the Sonics in Seattle. But it never crossed his mind (this is what I mean by the NBA screwing itself by not making logical moves). The fans never came back after Katrina, even with the good Chris Paul teams that made the playoffs. It took a hefty bribe from Stern (2014 All-Star Game/*cough*anthonydavis*cough*) to even get Tom Benson to purchase the team. That's how desperate Stern was to keep the team there. And for what? That arena is 3/4ths empty every game. Same in Charlotte.
Thirty, forty years ago, that was a death sentence for an NBA team in its home city. Now, it means double down and make it work, even if they're just bleeding money and leeching off the Haves of the league. Times change, I get that. But at a certain point, the league can't be so stubborn to think it's actually working, right?
Sorry, late night venting in the Kings thread. At this point, I'm over it. Just vote tomorrow and be done with it.
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well the billion/millionaires we have.... none of them have any stake or are from Sacramento.
IMO, their interest in investing and developing in this city is just a sign of their confidence in the growth of this city.
This is easily overlooked, but these guys (Vivek, Jacobs fam, Mastrov, Burkle) none of them should give a damn about us. But they do and believe that we will thrive.
that in itself, over the NBA and basketball, is greater than the Kings staying and gives me hope as a community that we will, someday soon, be the state capitol that California deserves
well the billion/millionaires we have.... none of them have any stake or are from Sacramento.
IMO, their interest in investing and developing in this city is just a sign of their confidence in the growth of this city.
This is easily overlooked, but these guys (Vivek, Jacobs fam, Mastrov, Burkle) none of them should give a damn about us. But they do and believe that we will thrive.
that in itself, over the NBA and basketball, is greater than the Kings staying and gives me hope as a community that we will, someday soon, be the state capitol that California deserves
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Makes you realize that you should take everything you read with a grain of salt.
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At the time, it might have been true though.
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also might have been false
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Based on precedent...true.
Based on the fact the NBA apparently throws a dart at a dart board to make a decision...false.
Based on the fact the NBA apparently throws a dart at a dart board to make a decision...false.
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It seems like the Seattle situation, the NBA has been pretty consistent in changing its direction 180. They didn't want the Hornets to leave after Katrina since it would be bad PR and bad for the city. NOW... if the fans continue to not turn out, then that's another story. Once the city is fully revitalized, then the NBA might consider it. But 2-3 years ago, the timing would still be pretty bad given the circumstances of the city. But I digress...
If I remember correctly, Charlotte was the posterchild for relocating a team when the ownership group there basically tanked the team and showed the NBA that it would be in their best interest to move the team. It seems like since Bennett did the same thing to Seattle, the NBA wised up and has changed its mind about owners doing the same thing since it's bad for the league reputation and overall business. Think about it... Hansen/Balmer have already increased the value of a small market team by 60% just by being int he game. Do you think the league believes in their heart that an additional $75MM to the Maloof's & $125 for the relocation fee is enough to sway a business that makes $8B/yr? While money talks, most of these guys realize that some things are more valuable than money, like a good reputation and loyalty. From my point of view, they've tried to start rectifying that situation with Balmer/Hansen by going into negotiations for the TV rights 3 years early and warning them about the Maloof's. I just hope for the sake of Seattle that Hansen sees that too and doesn't get too hell bent on not getting this deal before he pisses off more owners.
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Stern used to be a lawyer, and is consulted by high paid lawyers, and the owners each has high paid lawyers advising them. There's no way that these decisions aren't highly thought out and calculated. Ultimately, the teams belong to the league. The owners are just fiduciaries of each franchise. If the NBA wanted, they could even choose to contract the number of teams in their league to preserve the solvency of the league (if that needed to happen). If it weren't for the TV contracts, I think this would be more likely since almost 1/3 of the teams came into existence within the last 25 years after TV rights caught on.
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reading this now still infuriates every bone in my body, just as much as it did when Grantland first published this
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[h1]An Open Letter to Sacramento Kings Fans From the Producers of Sonicsgate[/h1]By Adam Brown and Jason Reid on January 15, 2013 1:08 PM ET
RONALD MARTINEZ/GETTY IMAGES
In 2009, five journalists and filmmakers in Seattle got together to make Sonicsgate: Requiem for a Team, a documentary film that told the story of how the SuperSonics left Seattle. The film won a 2010 Webby Award for Best Sports Film.
Dear Sacramento Kings fans,
You probably hate hearing anything about Seattle right now. We know the sick feeling in your gut, the rage in your head, the sadness in your heart. There is nothing anyone could say to you right now that would make things better. We have felt your pain, and we understand the irony of hearing this from the fan base that may now gain from your loss.
We are the producers of the documentary film Sonicsgate: Requiem for a Team.Sonicsgate was a blueprint for other fans of struggling teams to learn from as much as it was our battle cry for the Sonics to return. Over the past four years since the film came out, the Sonicsgate crew has provided advice and support to many Kings fans fighting to save their team, including members of the Here We Stay campaign and the producers of the documentary Small Market, Big Heart, about Sacramento’s fight to keep the Kings.
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We know the gamut of emotions losing your hometown team can inspire. To that point, our film ends with this poignant realization by author and Sonics fan Sherman Alexie:
“If we get a team, it’s going to be somebody else’s team ... To get a team, I'm going to have to break the hearts of people just like me.”
We’ve never shied away from this unfortunate reality, warning other vulnerable cities that if the Sonics could leave Seattle after 41 years, then truly No Team Is Safe.
The love and dedication of a team’s fan base has almost nothing to do with which cities keep their teams. It depends instead upon competition among municipalities to build bigger and fancier arena facilities, with team owners constantly seeking out new revenue streams and often requiring taxpayer subsidies to stay profitable. The power will always be in the hands of the privileged few, those who guard the purse strings and pluck the puppet strings behind closed doors.
A perfect storm caused Seattle's rich NBA legacy to fall under the weight of the sports-industrial complex, and Sacramento may be next to succumb to it.
Nothing would make Sonics fans happier than for the NBA to grant Seattle a new expansion team while finding an arena solution that would keep the Kings in Sacramento. Kings fans don’t deserve to lose their team, just as we Sonics fans didn’t deserve to lose ours. Unfortunately, we have absolutely no control over these things as fans. If the Kings leaving Sacramento becomes inevitable, we would rather have it be to Seattle as opposed to Anaheim, San Jose, Kansas City, or one of the many other cities vying for an NBA franchise.
As of this writing, a new local ownership group has emerged to try to keep the Kings in Sacramento. We know how it feels to have last-minute efforts to save your team come up just short at the buzzer. We write this with the hope that Kings fans can learn from what Sonics fans have gone through in our fight for basketball.
[h3]A Blueprint for How to Get a Team Back in Your City[/h3]
When the death knell sounded for the Sonics in Seattle on July 2, 2008, we were as devastated and heartbroken as Sacramento is today. We had been lied to, dragged through the mud, and given false hope — not only by the out-of-town owners who heisted our team, but by the local team ownership and elected officials who professed to have our backs and held the ball in their hands at key points of the game, only to fumble it out of bounds like so many Jerome James post passes.
The loyal Sonics fan base was beaten down, desperate, angry, depressed, and powerless. The national perception was that an indifferent Seattle had simply let the team leave. We knew this wasn’t true.
We needed to put all the facts in one place to show the rest of the country the true reasons why the SuperSonics no longer existed, with the hope that this powerful story would keep our history alive and rally people around the idea of bringing basketball back to the Emerald City.
So we dove head-first into the wretched toilet of the story of how Clayton Bennett and Aubrey McClendon stole our Sonics with an assist from Howard Schultz and local elected officials. Our whole crew worked tirelessly without pay, and the local community stepped up to support the project in countless ways. In that spirit, our executive producer Colin Baxter insisted we post the full movie online for free, removing any barriers so the public could view it at anytime. We wanted people to be able to learn about our plight as fans and understand why the Sonics belong in Seattle.
In the words of Baxter, the film was a digital primal scream. It was our hardheaded refusal to allow those in power who had wronged us to have the final word. No matter what obstacles we faced, we would not be silenced until the SuperSonics returned to Seattle.
[h3]A Cultural Sea Change[/h3]
We knew the main hurdle to get the Sonics back would be getting a new arena, but we didn’t have a billion dollars to finance a building and buy a team. Instead, we tapped into the power of the Internet, social media, traditional media, and some old-school guerrilla marketing to get our message out and mobilize the people who shared our dream.
We continued releasing new bonus videos while interacting with Sonics fans all over the world through social media. We grabbed our bullhorns and protested outside the NBA offices in New York. We traveled to OKC Thunder games all over the country, representing in Sonics colors behind the Thunder bench on national TV. We had to demonstrate to league officials and any potential team owners that the Seattle market still has a rabid, viable fan base they should want as customers.
In February 2012, a miracle arrived in the form of Chris Hansen, a man with Seattle roots and a desire to solve the region’s notorious arena problem once and for all. He came forward with the most generous financing proposal this state had ever seen, but the fight was not over. Sonics fans had to rally in the political chambers once again to support this arena deal, this time facing unlikely enemies in the Port of Seattle and the Seattle Mariners organization. Despite the opposition’s entrenched power, the will of the people prevailed and the new Seattle arena was approved.
By generously contributing $290 million in private money to the arena, $40 million for public traffic improvements, $7 million to upgrade outdated KeyArena, and repaying every cent of the $200 million public bonding component through user fees, Hansen shattered conceptions of what a public-private partnership can be. So many past arena proposals unfairly burdened taxpayers and acted as pure subsidies to the owners.
Hansen succeeded where so many other powerful people failed because he understands our local community. His ownership group was willing to work hard, stay patient, address any legitimate concerns, and give Seattle an unprecedented fair deal. If previous Sonics ownership had been willing to sacrifice and compromise as Hansen has, Seattle never would have lost the team in the first place.
[h3]Blame-Game Playbook[/h3]
Regardless of how you spin the situation, the fans are not to blame for this mess.
Sonics fans are not the enemies of Kings fans, just as basketball fanatics who wanted an NBA team in Oklahoma City are not and have never been the enemy of Sonics fans or theSonicsgate movement. We’ve never blamed the OKC fans or players for anything, and we’ve only criticized the people who had the power to solve the problem. Most Sonics fans will always root against the Thunder and their lying owners, but we also boycott Howard Schultz’s coffee stores, criticize David Stern’s handling of the situation, and pressure the local politicians who let this community asset slip through their fingers.
Our team’s relocation was a perfect storm of ineptitude, corruption, deception, and greed in which virtually anyone in a position of power shared the blame.
In the “Kingsgate” story, however, the only would-be villains are the Maloofs. The Kings owners couldn’t make the NBA work in a rabid basketball market, even pulling out of an agreed-upon arena deal last spring after all sides had celebrated victory. Through their years of incompetent team ownership, it is clear the Maloofs shoulder nearly all of the blame here.
If the fate of sports fans is subject only to a roll of the dice based on which billionaire owns their favorite pro teams, it may seem silly to pour our hearts and dollars into fighting for its survival. But we are basketball fanatics because we love the beauty of the game and the way it has brought our communities together for decades. We all want to share those experiences with future generations. We want Kings fans to have the same privilege.
If the Kings do become the new SuperSonics in Seattle, we will love and support the team as our own while respectfully remembering its Sacramento roots. The new Sonics will be able to retire Gary Payton’s jersey in the rafters as he goes to the Hall of Fame, but we would not forget where this team came from and the pain and discord it must have caused back in Sacramento. We will always support the NBA’s return to Sacramento.
Kings fans, we understand your instincts to be angry with Seattle, but Sonics fans did nothing to cause this situation. We are with you in spirit even as our ultimate fan loyalty resides here in our own city.
If the team does move, our message to you is this: Don’t let the Maloofs have the last word in your legacy. The Sonicsgate model of refusing to be silenced can be a blueprint for your eventual revival, like “The Band That Played On” except with cameras and computers instead of trumpets and trombones. We’ll truly wish our redemption didn’t have to come at your loss, and we won’t fault you for rooting against the Sonics if it happens. We’ll look for you behind the bench at future games, rallying in your purple and black, ringing those cowbells as a reminder to the nation that your great fan base is still here and will always love the Kings.
In 2009, five journalists and filmmakers in Seattle got together to make Sonicsgate: Requiem for a Team, a documentary film that told the story of how the SuperSonics left Seattle. The film won a 2010 Webby Award for Best Sports Film.
Dear Sacramento Kings fans,
You probably hate hearing anything about Seattle right now. We know the sick feeling in your gut, the rage in your head, the sadness in your heart. There is nothing anyone could say to you right now that would make things better. We have felt your pain, and we understand the irony of hearing this from the fan base that may now gain from your loss.
We are the producers of the documentary film Sonicsgate: Requiem for a Team.Sonicsgate was a blueprint for other fans of struggling teams to learn from as much as it was our battle cry for the Sonics to return. Over the past four years since the film came out, the Sonicsgate crew has provided advice and support to many Kings fans fighting to save their team, including members of the Here We Stay campaign and the producers of the documentary Small Market, Big Heart, about Sacramento’s fight to keep the Kings.
http://
We know the gamut of emotions losing your hometown team can inspire. To that point, our film ends with this poignant realization by author and Sonics fan Sherman Alexie:
“If we get a team, it’s going to be somebody else’s team ... To get a team, I'm going to have to break the hearts of people just like me.”
We’ve never shied away from this unfortunate reality, warning other vulnerable cities that if the Sonics could leave Seattle after 41 years, then truly No Team Is Safe.
The love and dedication of a team’s fan base has almost nothing to do with which cities keep their teams. It depends instead upon competition among municipalities to build bigger and fancier arena facilities, with team owners constantly seeking out new revenue streams and often requiring taxpayer subsidies to stay profitable. The power will always be in the hands of the privileged few, those who guard the purse strings and pluck the puppet strings behind closed doors.
A perfect storm caused Seattle's rich NBA legacy to fall under the weight of the sports-industrial complex, and Sacramento may be next to succumb to it.
Nothing would make Sonics fans happier than for the NBA to grant Seattle a new expansion team while finding an arena solution that would keep the Kings in Sacramento. Kings fans don’t deserve to lose their team, just as we Sonics fans didn’t deserve to lose ours. Unfortunately, we have absolutely no control over these things as fans. If the Kings leaving Sacramento becomes inevitable, we would rather have it be to Seattle as opposed to Anaheim, San Jose, Kansas City, or one of the many other cities vying for an NBA franchise.
As of this writing, a new local ownership group has emerged to try to keep the Kings in Sacramento. We know how it feels to have last-minute efforts to save your team come up just short at the buzzer. We write this with the hope that Kings fans can learn from what Sonics fans have gone through in our fight for basketball.
[h3]A Blueprint for How to Get a Team Back in Your City[/h3]
When the death knell sounded for the Sonics in Seattle on July 2, 2008, we were as devastated and heartbroken as Sacramento is today. We had been lied to, dragged through the mud, and given false hope — not only by the out-of-town owners who heisted our team, but by the local team ownership and elected officials who professed to have our backs and held the ball in their hands at key points of the game, only to fumble it out of bounds like so many Jerome James post passes.
The loyal Sonics fan base was beaten down, desperate, angry, depressed, and powerless. The national perception was that an indifferent Seattle had simply let the team leave. We knew this wasn’t true.
We needed to put all the facts in one place to show the rest of the country the true reasons why the SuperSonics no longer existed, with the hope that this powerful story would keep our history alive and rally people around the idea of bringing basketball back to the Emerald City.
So we dove head-first into the wretched toilet of the story of how Clayton Bennett and Aubrey McClendon stole our Sonics with an assist from Howard Schultz and local elected officials. Our whole crew worked tirelessly without pay, and the local community stepped up to support the project in countless ways. In that spirit, our executive producer Colin Baxter insisted we post the full movie online for free, removing any barriers so the public could view it at anytime. We wanted people to be able to learn about our plight as fans and understand why the Sonics belong in Seattle.
In the words of Baxter, the film was a digital primal scream. It was our hardheaded refusal to allow those in power who had wronged us to have the final word. No matter what obstacles we faced, we would not be silenced until the SuperSonics returned to Seattle.
[h3]A Cultural Sea Change[/h3]
We knew the main hurdle to get the Sonics back would be getting a new arena, but we didn’t have a billion dollars to finance a building and buy a team. Instead, we tapped into the power of the Internet, social media, traditional media, and some old-school guerrilla marketing to get our message out and mobilize the people who shared our dream.
We continued releasing new bonus videos while interacting with Sonics fans all over the world through social media. We grabbed our bullhorns and protested outside the NBA offices in New York. We traveled to OKC Thunder games all over the country, representing in Sonics colors behind the Thunder bench on national TV. We had to demonstrate to league officials and any potential team owners that the Seattle market still has a rabid, viable fan base they should want as customers.
In February 2012, a miracle arrived in the form of Chris Hansen, a man with Seattle roots and a desire to solve the region’s notorious arena problem once and for all. He came forward with the most generous financing proposal this state had ever seen, but the fight was not over. Sonics fans had to rally in the political chambers once again to support this arena deal, this time facing unlikely enemies in the Port of Seattle and the Seattle Mariners organization. Despite the opposition’s entrenched power, the will of the people prevailed and the new Seattle arena was approved.
By generously contributing $290 million in private money to the arena, $40 million for public traffic improvements, $7 million to upgrade outdated KeyArena, and repaying every cent of the $200 million public bonding component through user fees, Hansen shattered conceptions of what a public-private partnership can be. So many past arena proposals unfairly burdened taxpayers and acted as pure subsidies to the owners.
Hansen succeeded where so many other powerful people failed because he understands our local community. His ownership group was willing to work hard, stay patient, address any legitimate concerns, and give Seattle an unprecedented fair deal. If previous Sonics ownership had been willing to sacrifice and compromise as Hansen has, Seattle never would have lost the team in the first place.
[h3]Blame-Game Playbook[/h3]
Regardless of how you spin the situation, the fans are not to blame for this mess.
Sonics fans are not the enemies of Kings fans, just as basketball fanatics who wanted an NBA team in Oklahoma City are not and have never been the enemy of Sonics fans or theSonicsgate movement. We’ve never blamed the OKC fans or players for anything, and we’ve only criticized the people who had the power to solve the problem. Most Sonics fans will always root against the Thunder and their lying owners, but we also boycott Howard Schultz’s coffee stores, criticize David Stern’s handling of the situation, and pressure the local politicians who let this community asset slip through their fingers.
Our team’s relocation was a perfect storm of ineptitude, corruption, deception, and greed in which virtually anyone in a position of power shared the blame.
In the “Kingsgate” story, however, the only would-be villains are the Maloofs. The Kings owners couldn’t make the NBA work in a rabid basketball market, even pulling out of an agreed-upon arena deal last spring after all sides had celebrated victory. Through their years of incompetent team ownership, it is clear the Maloofs shoulder nearly all of the blame here.
If the fate of sports fans is subject only to a roll of the dice based on which billionaire owns their favorite pro teams, it may seem silly to pour our hearts and dollars into fighting for its survival. But we are basketball fanatics because we love the beauty of the game and the way it has brought our communities together for decades. We all want to share those experiences with future generations. We want Kings fans to have the same privilege.
If the Kings do become the new SuperSonics in Seattle, we will love and support the team as our own while respectfully remembering its Sacramento roots. The new Sonics will be able to retire Gary Payton’s jersey in the rafters as he goes to the Hall of Fame, but we would not forget where this team came from and the pain and discord it must have caused back in Sacramento. We will always support the NBA’s return to Sacramento.
Kings fans, we understand your instincts to be angry with Seattle, but Sonics fans did nothing to cause this situation. We are with you in spirit even as our ultimate fan loyalty resides here in our own city.
If the team does move, our message to you is this: Don’t let the Maloofs have the last word in your legacy. The Sonicsgate model of refusing to be silenced can be a blueprint for your eventual revival, like “The Band That Played On” except with cameras and computers instead of trumpets and trombones. We’ll truly wish our redemption didn’t have to come at your loss, and we won’t fault you for rooting against the Sonics if it happens. We’ll look for you behind the bench at future games, rallying in your purple and black, ringing those cowbells as a reminder to the nation that your great fan base is still here and will always love the Kings.
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Some Kings fans flew out to Dallas last night for the meetings
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I know crown downtown is there. Or is it just regular fans?
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Crown Downtown is just regular fans
but naw I got what you said.
I think a few leaders of that group and also a few regular fans flew out with them
I think a few leaders of that group and also a few regular fans flew out with them
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Time to pop the bubbly boys!
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