Court expected to uphold TikTok Ban SMH

[trappedintime]

What to know about Apple's $95 million settlement of the snooping Siri case

Apple has agreed to pay $95 million to settle a lawsuit that accused the company of turning its virtual assistant Siri into a snoop that eavesdropped on the users of iPhones and other trendy devices in a betrayal to its long-standing commitment to personal privacy.

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Federal judge weighs privacy claims against Apple

Not for the first time, a federal judge is weighing claims that Apple violates its users' privacy. The latest class action comes as Apple faces other legal headaches, including a DOJ antitrust suit.

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lil bro drank the apple kool-aid

It’d really help if you had any reading comprehension with those articles you googled in the past five minutes. Point stands, you’re comparing product leaks to personal data being stolen by an adversarial govt. can’t engage with someone this lost

 

[Beruseruku Desu]

It’d really help if you had any reading comprehension with those articles you googled in the past five minutes. Point stands, you’re comparing product leaks to personal data being stolen by an adversarial govt. can’t engage with someone this lost

you made a claim, and I proved you wrong.

you were a cog in the wheel. you aint tim cook.

calm down and exit the thread.

 

[QU!K]

china blocks all western app, including youtube, facebook, and google.

so are you saying the US should ban all chinese apps? shein? temu? PUBG?

 

[1995]

TikTok is where the teeny boppers hang out

As ninjahood famously said

 

[picasso swerve]

everything on IG reels comes from tiktok. every trend, every sound, etc.

except IG gets it 6 months later.

also millennials are the second biggest audience on tiktok.

If all you care about is trends and all that sure, but IG really isnt that far behind (yes, TT starts trends 10/10 times). TT gets more engagement too but thats not where I going with my OG statement. Point was you dont really need TT to “keep up” with social media. Everyones just gonna go back to IG in any case when the ban comes.

 

[waukeganwill]

I cant wait. My group chats get flooded with tiktoks that are mainly misinformation or just dumb videos.

 

[1995]

 

[nonnative]

This is such a blatant attempt at a cash grab by the US/US tech industry. If it was really such a dire threat to national security like they say, then ban it outright instead of forcing a sale to a US company. They really think that a completely foreign built program is just going to magically become safe because its sold to a US company?

And every excuse they've given in flimsy as hell.

They're mining our data. OK. Then they should have come down hard on all of our telecom companies, the credit monitoring companies, the data brokers, and every company that leaks our data every other month. And there's no proof that what TT is mining is any more invasive than what alphabet and meta are doing. Hell, just go into your google analytic profile and you can see what they know about you.

They can use it to influence our elections. OK. We have paid foreign propagandists on cable news, twitter, and podcasts left and right. The biggest spreaders of election misinformation were on facebook and twitter and its silence.

 

[nomadicsole21]

its the whole chinese = bad. but they got no problem with apple making their phones there.

their mad because tiktok/China has the technology for the best algorithm and the US cant have it. US wants owernship of that technology.

just watch this 50 sec clip of the CEO of tiktok at congress

I'm with you, it would be a different story if Tik Tok originated from Denmark or some other Western ally. A lot of racism/xenophobia hidden behind the "data mining" and "national security" concerns...it's clear as day in that video clip. If our top lawmakers and gov. officials can't differentiate a Chinese Singaporean from mainland CCP Chinese, the average American has no chance. We all look alike and come from the same place and believe the same thing .

I'm not in tech, limited knowledge of cyber security but if China wanted to do damage to the US and the population, yall really believe it's through an app? They probably have the potential to hack into the factory settings or default apps and track your information that way instead of a 3rd party app where we need to download it.

Don't care about Tik Tok, probably causes more harm than good for society but I can't get behind the national security BS. With so much advancement in technology, satellites, and spying, how does the CCP getting Sarah from Missouri's information who only uses it to watch cute puppy videos a threat to Democracy? They're probably more interested in intellectual or sensitive data compared to a useless database and algorithms of random people and their information.

Its a lot of political games being played between the two, I rather the government just flat out say it's because they're Chinese instead of floating around the excuses. Gives me closet racist vibes, also middle fingers up to the CCP and their scummy party...I have no sides in this. Why can't we ban Meta and all the right wing media companies that have popped up in the last 5 or so years brainwashing the population? Probably more of a threat to the country than Tik Tok is but nah...1st ammendment yall.

 

[ill4eva]

I do security screenings for immigration. My girl works for IT security for the government. Believe me when I tell you that Tik Tok is potentially bad due to the Chinese government having an ownership stake, and that the US is making the right move.

Canada banned TikTok on government work phones awhile back. Canada also banned Huawei and ZTE phones off of our 5G networks. All done for security.

I get that some of you are upset because you use Tik Tok to entertain yourself while you’re on the toilet, rely on it for news (lol), or god knows what else, but the internet is a huge place. Just get that content elsewhere.

 

[ahat]

OP in shambles

 

[gry60]

Because they understand how propaganda works. They understand the unprecedented access social media gives to foreign entities that want to influence their population because they're doing it to us.

The New Propaganda War

Autocrats in China, Russia, and elsewhere are now making common cause with MAGA Republicans to discredit liberalism and freedom around the world.

web.archive.org

While we were still rhapsodizing about the many ways in which the internet could spread democracy, the Chinese were designing what’s become known as the Great Firewall of China. That method of internet management—which is in effect conversation management—contains many different elements, beginning with an elaborate system of blocks and filters that prevent internet users from seeing particular words and phrases. Among them, famously, are Tiananmen, 1989, and June 4, but there are many more. In 2000, a directive called “Measures for Managing Internet Information Services” prohibited an extraordinarily wide range of content, including anything that “endangers national security, divulges state secrets, subverts the government, undermines national unification,” and “is detrimental to the honor and interests of the state”—anything, in other words, that the authorities didn’t like.

But along the way, the Chinese regime discovered a deeper problem: Surveillance, regardless of sophistication, provides no guarantees. During the coronavirus pandemic, the Chinese government imposed controls more severe than most of its citizens had ever experienced. Millions of people were locked into their homes. Untold numbers entered government quarantine camps. Yet the lockdown also produced the angriest and most energetic Chinese protests in many years. Young people who had never attended a demonstration and had no memory of Tiananmen gathered in the streets of Beijing and Shanghai in the autumn of 2022 to talk about freedom. In Xinjiang, where lockdowns were the longest and harshest, and where repression is most complete, people came out in public and sang the Chinese national anthem, emphasizing one line: “Rise up, those who refuse to be slaves!” Clips of their performance circulated widely, presumably because the spyware and filters didn’t identify the national anthem as dissent.

Even in a state where surveillance is almost total, the experience of tyranny and injustice can radicalize people. Anger at arbitrary power will always lead someone to start thinking about another system, a better way to run society. The strength of these demonstrations, and the broader anger they reflected, was enough to spook the Chinese Communist Party into lifting the quarantine and allowing the virus to spread. The deaths that resulted were preferable to public anger and protest.

Like the demonstrations against President Vladimir Putin in Russia that began in 2011, the 2014 street protests in Venezuela, and the 2019 Hong Kong protests, the 2022 protests in China help explain something else: why autocratic regimes have slowly turned their repressive mechanisms outward, into the democratic world. If people are naturally drawn to the image of human rights, to the language of democracy, to the dream of freedom, then those concepts have to be poisoned. That requires more than surveillance, more than close observation of the population, more than a political system that defends against liberal ideas. It also requires an offensive plan: a narrative that damages both the idea of democracy everywhere in the world and the tools to deliver it.

On February 24, 2022, as Russia launched its invasion of Ukraine, fantastical tales of biological warfare began surging across the internet. Russian officials solemnly declared that secret U.S.-funded biolabs in Ukraine had been conducting experiments with bat viruses and claimed that U.S. officials had confessed to manipulating “dangerous pathogens.” The story was unfounded, not to say ridiculous, and was repeatedly debunked.

Nevertheless, an American Twitter account with links to the QAnon conspiracy network—@WarClandestine—began tweeting about the nonexistent biolabs, racking up thousands of retweets and views. The hashtag #biolab started trending on Twitter and reached more than 9 million views. Even after the account—later revealed to belong to a veteran of the Army National Guard—was suspended, people continued to post screenshots. A version of the story appeared on the Infowars website created by Alex Jones, best known for promoting conspiracy theories about the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School and harassing families of the victims. Tucker Carlson, then still hosting a show on Fox News, played clips of a Russian general and a Chinese spokesperson repeating the biolab fantasy and demanded that the Biden administration “stop lying and [tell] us what’s going on here.”

Chinese state media also leaned hard into the story. A foreign-ministry spokesperson declared that the U.S. controlled 26 biolabs in Ukraine: “Russia has found during its military operations that the U.S. uses these facilities to conduct bio-military plans.” Xinhua, a Chinese state news agency, ran multiple headlines: “U.S.-Led Biolabs Pose Potential Threats to People of Ukraine and Beyond,” “Russia Urges U.S. to Explain Purpose of Biological Labs in Ukraine,” and so on. U.S. diplomats publicly refuted these fabrications. Nevertheless, the Chinese continued to spread them. So did the scores of Asian, African, and Latin American media outlets that have content-sharing agreements with Chinese state media. So did Telesur, the Venezuelan network; Press TV, the Iranian network; and Russia Today, in Spanish and Arabic, as well as on many Russia Today–linked websites around the world.

This joint propaganda effort worked. Globally, it helped undermine the U.S.-led effort to create solidarity with Ukraine and enforce sanctions against Russia. Inside the U.S., it helped undermine the Biden administration’s effort to consolidate American public opinion in support of providing aid to Ukraine. According to one poll, a quarter of Americans believed the biolabs conspiracy theory to be true.

In the 20th century, hostile propaganda operations relied on dropping leaflets on target cities and towns pushing false, damaging stories published in friendly newspapers.

Operation Denver - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Lessons From Operation "Denver," the KGB’s Massive AIDS Disinformation Campaign

Historian Douglas Selvage sheds light on a conspiracy theory that reverberates to this day.

thereader.mitpress.mit.edu

In the 21st century, social media makes it extremely easy to push the stories you want the target populations to believe without having to set up shop in their countries.

 

[aepps20]

RIP to Cooking with Kay and da Buss it challenge

 

[Beruseruku Desu]

I do security screenings for immigration. My girl works for IT security for the government. Believe me when I tell you that Tik Tok is potentially bad due to the Chinese government having an ownership stake, and that the US is making the right move.

Canada banned TikTok on government work phones awhile back. Canada also banned Huawei and ZTE phones off of our 5G networks. All done for security.

I get that some of you are upset because you use Tik Tok to entertain yourself while you’re on the toilet, rely on it for news (lol), or god knows what else, but the internet is a huge place. Just get that content elsewhere.

so why isn’t SHEIN or temu not banned then? They’re also collecting and mining your data

 

[ill4eva]

so why isn’t SHEIN or temu not banned then? They’re also collecting and mining your data

Can you send DMs or communicate through SHEIN or Temu?

 

[Beruseruku Desu]

Can you send DMs or communicate through SHEIN or Temu?

Doesn’t matter. They’re still mining your data.

In this day and age, all our data is already exposed.

And as someone mentioned above, if this truly was a dire situation, why didn’t the NSA, FBI, etc act in TikTok years ago?

 

[WASPS ANDD ASPS]

*****es at work send me request via facebook to get temu so they can get a free wig. They dont even talk to me on facebook.

But thet want free wigs.

**** outta control bruh.

 

[frankmatthews]

I'm with you, it would be a different story if Tik Tok originated from Denmark or some other Western ally. A lot of racism/xenophobia hidden behind the "data mining" and "national security" concerns...it's clear as day in that video clip. If our top lawmakers and gov. officials can't differentiate a Chinese Singaporean from mainland CCP Chinese, the average American has no chance. We all look alike and come from the same place and believe the same thing .

I'm not in tech, limited knowledge of cyber security but if China wanted to do damage to the US and the population, yall really believe it's through an app? They probably have the potential to hack into the factory settings or default apps and track your information that way instead of a 3rd party app where we need to download it.

Don't care about Tik Tok, probably causes more harm than good for society but I can't get behind the national security BS. With so much advancement in technology, satellites, and spying, how does the CCP getting Sarah from Missouri's information who only uses it to watch cute puppy videos a threat to Democracy? They're probably more interested in intellectual or sensitive data compared to a useless database and algorithms of random people and their information.

Its a lot of political games being played between the two, I rather the government just flat out say it's because they're Chinese instead of floating around the excuses. Gives me closet racist vibes, also middle fingers up to the CCP and their scummy party...I have no sides in this. Why can't we ban Meta and all the right wing media companies that have popped up in the last 5 or so years brainwashing the population? Probably more of a threat to the country than Tik Tok is but nah...1st ammendment yall.

I dont think the issue is really specific data from specific individuals but more so the demographic data that's being conglomerated from everyone all at once. An algorithm that figures out the most engaging content for you is not that far off from determining how to most effectively deploy propaganda against you. Whats the most effective path to internal destabilization.

Its ironic cause this is exactly what the US is doing with FB, IG and presumably X, they just dont want China to be able to do it. Which I don't necessarily disagree with.

 

[nonnative]

The govt has openly admitted that China has backdoored every major telecom network and all unencrypted texts and calls are vulnerable. They also don't know how deep it goes, how long they've been there, or how to get them out. And they're response is to suggest that people use encrypted chat apps. No penalties, no crackdowns, no forced sales, nothing.

And yet a social media app is somehow a major threat to the country? They backdoored US built telecom infrastructure indefinitely and yet somehow if they sell their own company to the US, that makes it ok? Come on now.

And these lawmakers that are pushing for it, the same ones from that clip, the same ones that grill the CEO of Google on how to forward email, these are the guys that supposedly understand the intricacies of data aggregation and social manipulation? Nah, they're getting told what to do by the tech bros.

Speaking of which, I can guarantee that most of this is greed but there's some pride in it as well. These tech bros hate that they're not #1 and more importantly, they hate that they aren't what's "cool" cause that's the one thing they have never been.

 

[Beruseruku Desu]

 

[Kinfolk]

I liked TikTok.

Their algorithm is frighteningly good. It’s a much better platform than Instagram is, proof of that being Instagram has broken its neck trying to copy nearly every feature of TikTok.

But at the same time I’m glad to see that TikTok is going down because they’ve demonstrated an organized and systematic approach to platforming very specific types of hate speech.

 

[andretti]

Looking forward to the ban.

 

[townbidness]

Seem like everyone addicted to TikTok.

 

[ill4eva]

Doesn’t matter. They’re still mining your data.

In this day and age, all our data is already exposed.

And as someone mentioned above, if this truly was a dire situation, why didn’t the NSA, FBI, etc act in TikTok years ago?

Temu and SHEIN aren’t owned by the Chinese government though.

And to your point about as to why didn’t NSA or the FBI do TikTok - let me ask you this question - if they did, do you think China would allow that app in their country? Or do you think China would ban it? Remember - China has banned Facebook since 2009. They don’t have Google, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, etc.

Again, the internet is a big place. You can find plenty of places to watch vids of little girls dancing. Go find some other app or site to be horny for.

 

[Beruseruku Desu]

Temu and SHEIN aren’t owned by the Chinese government though.

And to your point about as to why didn’t NSA or the FBI do TikTok - let me ask you this question - if they did, do you think China would allow that app in their country? Or do you think China would ban it? Remember - China has banned Facebook since 2009. They don’t have Google, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, etc.

Again, the internet is a big place. You can find plenty of places to watch vids of little girls dancing. Go find some other app or site to be horny for.

1. Bytedance isn’t owned by the Chinese government. They are a Chinese company just like temu and SHEIN and abide by Chinese laws just like any other Chinese company.

2. Answer my question before trying to divert it into another question. Also, China has Douyin, which is the original TikTok. So yes, China has “TikTok” in their country.

You have zero clue what you’re talking about.