Court expected to uphold TikTok Ban SMH

[gry60]

1. Bytedance isn’t owned by the Chinese government. They are a Chinese company just like temu and SHEIN and abide by Chinese laws just like any other Chinese company.

2. Answer my question before trying to divert it into another question. Also, China has Douyin, which is the original TikTok. So yes, China has “TikTok” in their country.

You have zero clue what you’re talking about.

By point 1., that means that China, not the US, has jurisdiction over the data collected by Bytedance. That is a problem for the US government.

The breadth of information that Bytedance collects about Americans, and the fact that the Chinese government can force Bytedance to surrender it is a problem for the US government. The issue isn't about the existence of TikTok; it's about who gets access to the data it collects.

Considering the fact that this data is granular enough to effectively target individuals and groups of people to achieve geopolitical goals, is it not understandable that any government would be concerned about foreign entities' ability to access that level of data on their citizens?

 

[Beruseruku Desu]

By point 1., that means that China, not the US, has jurisdiction over the data collected by Bytedance. That is a problem for the US government.

The breadth of information that Bytedance collects about Americans, and the fact that the Chinese government can force Bytedance to surrender it is a problem for the US government. The issue isn't about the existence of TikTok; it's about who gets access to the data it collects.

Considering the fact that this data is granular enough to effectively target individuals and groups of people to achieve geopolitical goals, is it not understandable that any government would be concerned about foreign entities' ability to access that level of data on their citizens?

We’re past that in this thread. You wrote nothing that wasn’t already mentioned here.

 

[putting in work]

I think it's being upheld because they can't control it like they can with FB, IG and other social media platforms that are US based.

I remember when TikTok had videos and swayed a lot of people against Isreal during the conflict because people started seeing first hand accounts of what Isreal was really doing and lawmakers were not happy about it.

The Republican from Utah Mitch Romney I remember he got caught on video saying we have a problem and have to do something about TikTok due to how it swayed everything against Isreal.

The reason they are giving is just nonsense in my opinion. Even reddit that used to let users post videos and articles showing what Isreal was doing has now started censoring or deleting anything that is not positive about Isreal.

 

[gry60]

The Republican from Utah Mitch Romney I remember he got caught on video saying we have a problem and have to do something about TikTok due to how it swayed everything against Isreal.

Y'all got really short memories. The Tiktok ban issue is older than Israel:

In 2020, Trump signed an EO that targeted it:

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/06/900019185/trump-signs-executive-order-that-will-effectively-ban-use-of-tiktok-in-the-u-s

President Trump on Thursday invoked his emergency economic powers to impose broad sanctions against TikTok, a move that steps up pressure on the Chinese-owned app to sell its U.S. assets to an American company.


In the order, which takes effect in 45 days, any transactions between TikTok's parent company, ByteDance, and U.S. citizens will be outlawed for national security reasons.


In practice, experts told NPR the order likely will mean the viral video service could no longer receive advertising from American companies and the app could be removed from Apple and Google's app stores.

 

[Beruseruku Desu]

Y'all got really short memories. The Tiktok ban issue is older than Israel:

In 2020, Trump signed an EO that targeted it:

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/06/900019185/trump-signs-executive-order-that-will-effectively-ban-use-of-tiktok-in-the-u-s

You do know trump wants to stop the ban on TikTok now right?

 

[Beruseruku Desu]

 

[jape]

What could china do with this information? Genuinely curious

 

[Beruseruku Desu]

What could china do with this information? Genuinely curious

the supreme court argued that the chinese can influence people/kids to be pro chinese and anti american and they fear that these same kids that are "brain washed" would eventually work for the federal government like the FBI and destroy america from within.

 

[jape]

So like Russia is doing with x

Ban it all

 

[gry60]

You do know trump wants to stop the ban on TikTok now right?

Because they approached him with god-knows-what promises.

You keep missing the point, which is that the concern exists, and it comes from places that are not the White House or Congress. It's not a "Facebook/Instagram can't keep up" or "they want to hide the truth about Gaza" thing.

 

[Beruseruku Desu]

Because they approached him with god-knows-what promises.

You keep missing the point, which is that the concern exists, and it comes from places that are not the White House or Congress. It's not a "Facebook/Instagram can't keep up" or "they want to hide the truth about Gaza" thing.

"Because they approached him with god-knows-what promises."

so you just making stuff up in yo head now.

"You keep missing the point, which is that the concern exists, and it comes from places that are not the White House or Congress. It's not a "Facebook/Instagram can't keep up" or "they want to hide the truth about Gaza" thing."

incorrect. microsoft and oracle has tried to buy tiktok's algorithm technology in 2020.

theres a reason why google and meta cant replicate it. and theres a reason why youtube shorts and instagram reels isnt as big as tiktok.

if you actually listened to the supreme court hearing on friday, it was stated that tiktok's algorithm tech is years ahead of everyone.

thats why if tiktok gets banned in the US, there wont be another app that can just spring up replicate it.

no ones missing the point. everyone has everyone's data at this point. the ban of tiktok in the US is about the dissemination of information.

 

[gry60]

so you just making stuff up in yo head now.

Whatever it is they talked about, it isn't unreasonable to speculate that Trump decided to intervene in their favor for something in return because he is fundamentally transactional.

theres a reason why google and meta cant replicate it. and theres a reason why youtube shorts and instagram reels isnt as big as tiktok.

if you actually listened to the supreme court hearing on friday, it was stated that tiktok's algorithm tech is years ahead of everyone.

All of this is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Sanctions were leveled in 2020 because of national security concerns, not because Tiktok success in the US threatened the viability of Google or Meta.

 

[Beruseruku Desu]

Whatever it is they talked about, it isn't unreasonable to speculate that Trump decided to intervene in their favor for something in return because he is fundamentally transactional.


All of this is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Sanctions were leveled in 2020 because of national security concerns, not because Tiktok success in the US threatened the viability of Google or Meta.

you do realize I can take your same assumption about tiktok influencing trump and argue right back that companies like meta and google influenced congress to ban tiktok, right?

 

[Beruseruku Desu]

So like Russia is doing with x

Ban it all

you cannot block the freedom of speech in order to protect the freedom of speech.

 

[ALNotSure]

I don’t want TikTok banned but FB has been banned in China since 2009 or so for some similar reasons but more so for control. I think we are framing it as a national security issue but it’s more about control or the lack of it. 50% of young people get their news from TikTok. Thats massive.

With Zuck turning mini MAGA it just feels checks were written to get this done. We have done a poor job with competitors here. Elon, Zuck, Bezos are too big and just buy anything up that can compete. Remember IG was bought by FB in 2012.

I’m trying Bluesky but not good at it yet. Threads has quickly turned into Twitter unfortunately.

It’s unfortunate for creators and it will hurt the economy as a lot of commerce is produced on TikTok. They will have to go somewhere but IG sucks in comparison.

Maybe a new opportunity somewhere.

 

[nomadicsole21]

Can you send DMs or communicate through SHEIN or Temu?

Doesn't Temu and Shein have more of your private data considering they have payment/banking information and home or shipping addresses? I know the work around is PayPal and other payment services to be protected and maybe PO boxes or work addresses but is it really comparable to Tik Tok, a media company which is less invasive than E-commerce? OP makes a good point, where's the outrage for Temu and Shein compared to Tik Tok?

Meta is essentially doing this to Europe and the rest of the world, mirroring what Tik Tok is doing to the US and the rest of the world. We're just choosing between the two evils (Meta and Tik Tok) backed by a government that bows down to tech and billionaire lobbyists. No outrage over Elon, Zuckerberg or Bezo's having our data and working so closely with Trump? These guys run everything, isn't it very anti American and anti conservative to regulate the free market and banning competition? Why pick and choose only when it fits your narrative?

This is my gripe with the situation, and the fake national security BS a long with the anti Chinese rhetoric that blurs the line between racism and patriotism. If America was so concerned with public health/perception and public opinion on national security, why don't we allocate more funds into educating the public and regulating our own tech companies? We're allowing all these giant tech and media conglomerates to manipulate and influence the public en mass, but once someone else does it "ohh no, the Chinese are stealing our data". GTFOHere

 

[gry60]

you do realize I can take your same assumption about tiktok influencing trump and argue right back that companies like meta and google influenced congress to ban tiktok, right?

It sounds like I have to put my previous comments in chronological order for the facts to make sense to you:
- 2020: Trump issued an executive order to ban Tiktok, citing national security reasons
- Mid 2024: Congress passes the law banning Tiktok, citing national security reasons
- Late 2024: The CEO of Tiktok meets with Trump to get the Supreme Court to overlook the law. Trump agrees, despite having shot the first salvo against the company.

The DoD, the department of state, the department of commerce, and other agencies that are involved in maintaining and sustaining the internal and external objectives of the US don't exactly factor how Meta and Google feel about Tiktok when they present their findings to Congress.

 

[gry60]

Doesn't Temu and Shein have more of your private data considering they have payment/banking information and home or shipping addresses? I know the work around is PayPal and other payment services to be protected and maybe PO boxes or work addresses but is it really comparable to Tik Tok, a media company which is less invasive than E-commerce?

Have you ever thought about the kind of info you share on SM platforms vs eBay? The latter only knows info about your purchases; the former can use the information you give it (videos watched, liked, search queries, comments, friends lists, blocked user list, etc...) to build a user's social and psychological profile.

No outrage over Elon, Zuckerberg or Bezo's having our data and working so closely with Trump?

I actually want stronger privacy and data laws against those companies as well. My view is that they should be treated as a utility because of they have proven to be excellent at keeping people connected and "in the know." SM works well in a regulated environment. Getting privacy laws as solid as those in Europe is just not happening here because Americans have been primed to react against regulations.

But all the above is not exactly relevant to the discussion at hand, which is that Bytedance is under Chinese jurisdiction, not American. That's why they couldn't satisfy the US government with their proposal to move their servers to Texas.