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New rumor that WW was going to be Kryptonian 
Glad it was debunked.
Glad it was debunked.
DC Studios THREAD - GunnVerse Begins - The Penguin out 9/19 then every Sunday on MAX
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It wasn't even a rumor, it was a bloggers speculation/guess. 
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I wonder if they will elaborate on that open space pod. Wasn't that suppose to be supergirl?
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Kara, yes.
Not really sure if they should though, I think they need to just move forward with the story and leave that one behind for maybe when Superman has another movie all to himself.
Not really sure if they should though, I think they need to just move forward with the story and leave that one behind for maybe when Superman has another movie all to himself.
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MoS was definitely for people like me who hate Supes. I thought it was a great movie. They explored why he needed the identity. Look at how different they treated him just knowing something was off about him and how different everyone treated him as superman. Also his dad told him time and time again that he needed to keep his powers secret for obvious reasons and was willing to die for that cause. It would spit on his dads face not to honor that. They shouldnt have to spell that out for the audience.
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What's the story behind Batman vs Superman in the comics?
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There's multiple stories, all from different writers. But the story most talked about is The Dark Knight Returns. Basically, Superman becomes a government lacky, doing all of their dirty work and is told to arrest Batman. Superman had just been hit by a nuclear bomb, so he was weakened and this was Batmans chance to get out of the situation. So he made a new suit, and fought Superman head on, superman holding back of course not wanting to hurt Batman. Then Green Arrow shoots him with a kryptonite arrow, and batman makes a speech about defeating him. Then batman has to fake his death to get out of it.
Later at Bruce Wayne's funeral, Clark Kent is there. He hears Bruce's heartbeat from underground, and he sees a shovel under a girls trench coat. He winks, and walks away.
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All good stuff.
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The first few seasons of Smallville are for ppl that hate Supes. That'll either change your mind on him or make you love Lex Luthor. MOS, not so much. Not much made sense story wise or was good. That was more for ppl willing to ignore Supes specifically and be happy with the action, destruction, death, and special effects.
The artist? If so what is wrong with you?
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That laughable show has never made me like Supes. Granted IDK what seasons the few episodes I have watched are from but that show does not help.
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Smallville :x
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I like Alex Ross, Man of Steel and Smallville
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Alex Ross is amazing, one of the best comic book artist.
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The success of MoS 2 is all predicated on Ben Affleck as batman. I think he'll be a good batman but the story won't mesh well. I mean the first one had kryptonians leveling cities and still had so-so reviews. How do you add a dude with no super powers in the mix?
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I still do not get how you cannot comprehend Batman being among gods and why Superman would need help?
I know your a Marvel guys so I'll try and use that as an example.
Look at Thor, he is practically Superman with a hammer and most have him picked to beat Superman if they go head to head. He still joins the Avengers and need their help.
Look at IronMan, he is so goddamn powerful, it's like a suped-up Batman in some ways and dude has a suit and a plan for everything, it's like his whole world is the Tower of Babel storyline. Put any trouble in front of him and he'd come up with some concoction or a device or a suit that will win in the end yet he still joins the Avengers.
That's about how and why Superman would need help even though is a powerful being.
As for Bats, well he is Batman. Have you not read any of his stories? He is just like a less powerful IronMan, he always has a contingency plan and can take down the whole JL if needed. It really needs no explanation if you even know the slightest bit about Batman.
I know your a Marvel guys so I'll try and use that as an example.
Look at Thor, he is practically Superman with a hammer and most have him picked to beat Superman if they go head to head. He still joins the Avengers and need their help.
Look at IronMan, he is so goddamn powerful, it's like a suped-up Batman in some ways and dude has a suit and a plan for everything, it's like his whole world is the Tower of Babel storyline. Put any trouble in front of him and he'd come up with some concoction or a device or a suit that will win in the end yet he still joins the Avengers.
That's about how and why Superman would need help even though is a powerful being.
As for Bats, well he is Batman. Have you not read any of his stories? He is just like a less powerful IronMan, he always has a contingency plan and can take down the whole JL if needed. It really needs no explanation if you even know the slightest bit about Batman.
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I still do not get how you cannot comprehend Batman being among gods and why Superman would need help?
I know your a Marvel guys so I'll try and use that as an example.
Look at Thor, he is practically Superman with a hammer and most have him picked to beat Superman if they go head to head. He still joins the Avengers and need their help.
Look at IronMan, he is so goddamn powerful, it's like a suped-up Batman in some ways and dude has a suit and a plan for everything, it's like his whole world is the Tower of Babel storyline. Put any trouble in front of him and he'd come up with some concoction or a device or a suit that will win in the end yet he still joins the Avengers.
That's about how and why Superman would need help even though is a powerful being.
As for Bats, well he is Batman. Have you not read any of his stories? He is just like a less powerful IronMan, he always has a contingency plan and can take down the whole JL if needed. It really needs no explanation if you even know the slightest bit about Batman.
Its snyder's execution I don't trust. I feel like marvels cinematic world doesn't take itself as serious as DC's therefore they were able to bring us a guy that turns green and a god with an invincible hammer together on screen. MoS gave us a real world scenario in where we had our first contact with aliens and the human world is like
now in this sequel we're gonna get another super hero who we assume will challenge superman at one point in the film. Marvel's interpretation of the world, in particular NYC isn't new to any of this stuff. Aliens, gods, kids that get bit by spiders it's nothing to them. So when something world threatening happens they don't have as much backstory to give. Just a group of suped up individuals saving the world. I honestly don't see how they'll go from a world where superheroes didn't exist to them becoming the norm... At least in this sequel so soon
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What you wrote doesn't make much sense with my point of you not getting how Supes would need help wit his powers (you've stated this many, many times) and how Bats can't deal with any of them super powered beings. Again, read the comic books for references.
Bats is older in this one because they will likely play the experienced Bats vs. newb Supes. Bats has existed for a while now for this sequel, there was even an easter eggs that says "KEEP CALM, CALL BATMAN". Plus you just said Batman isn't super powered, you were just asking how he could challenge Supes when he is just a human.
I am not sure how that scenario is only limited to a "less-serious" film? Why can't it be achieved with a more serious film? Thor and Hulk can't co-exist unless theres jokes and banter everywhere in the film?
The Chitauri was a whole new threat, they aren't used to it as you say. Hell in the movie Fury said it himself that they didn't know Asgardians and other God-like beings existed and that's why they made the Tesseract power weapons. So I am not sure where you are getting the NYC were used to this invasions.
Hell watch Agents of SHIELD, that is in unison with the Avengers world and continuation of the Avengers and there they keep saying "there are no humans with super powers" and they are barely discovering "mutants" (I know they can't call em that in the show/film). They seem to be dealing with it in Winter Soldier too, making armies and mech (which may or may not turn into Ultron).
In MoS, they already stated many times and I know you've read it, that it will open up the world for super powered beings to exist. They maybe in hiding until they saw Supes? Maybe they are already known but wasn't specifically mentioned in the film? They do not necessarily have to show them interacting or being mentioned for them to exist, they can do that in the next films or this sequel.
I still don't know why you "don't see" it though, it's not that complicated. They can even make it a story where all these heroes come out with powers and people start to fear them or powered villains comes out and the heroes beat them but people still fear their powers, this is exactly Bats viewpoint and that is why he has contingency plans against all members of the JL.
I mean in the Spiderman franchise, NY came from a world with no heroes to a city with one and a popular one at that. Did you have a hard time believing that? In IM1, they did the same thing and practically the back story of IM2.
Plus in this film, all that is confirmed is Batman with Superman, WW is casted (though might just be a cameo) and everything else is rumored. Stop taking everything that is written on the net to be true.
And again, mutants or super powered beings aren't the norm in Marvel Studios universe, Cap was famous from back in the day but most only knew of him as a soldier, hell he had movies or tv shows starring him. It isn't general public that dude was frozen and that he beat Hydra (public doesn't even know about Hydra) and the Red Skull. Yeah Iron Man is a famous hero but he is still a regular human with a suit of armor who used to produce weapons, far from a super powered being like Thor. NYC doesn't have Spiderman in this world either and no one knows Peter was bit by a spider and turned into a masked hero, come on now. They had Hulk, sure but having one super powered being who aren't even controllable is far from being the norm. Back to the point, NY never dealt with a Chitauri like invasion before and that is why no one was prepared, including SHIELD and if the Avengers weren't there, they'd be screwed.
To summarize, having one man in a power suit and a green giant doesn't make them the norm in the Avengers universe.
Bats is older in this one because they will likely play the experienced Bats vs. newb Supes. Bats has existed for a while now for this sequel, there was even an easter eggs that says "KEEP CALM, CALL BATMAN". Plus you just said Batman isn't super powered, you were just asking how he could challenge Supes when he is just a human.
I am not sure how that scenario is only limited to a "less-serious" film? Why can't it be achieved with a more serious film? Thor and Hulk can't co-exist unless theres jokes and banter everywhere in the film?
The Chitauri was a whole new threat, they aren't used to it as you say.
Hell in the movie Fury said it himself that they didn't know Asgardians and other God-like beings existed and that's why they made the Tesseract power weapons. So I am not sure where you are getting the NYC were used to this invasions.Hell watch Agents of SHIELD, that is in unison with the Avengers world and continuation of the Avengers and there they keep saying "there are no humans with super powers" and they are barely discovering "mutants" (I know they can't call em that in the show/film). They seem to be dealing with it in Winter Soldier too, making armies and mech (which may or may not turn into Ultron).
In MoS, they already stated many times and I know you've read it, that it will open up the world for super powered beings to exist. They maybe in hiding until they saw Supes? Maybe they are already known but wasn't specifically mentioned in the film? They do not necessarily have to show them interacting or being mentioned for them to exist, they can do that in the next films or this sequel.
I still don't know why you "don't see" it though, it's not that complicated. They can even make it a story where all these heroes come out with powers and people start to fear them or powered villains comes out and the heroes beat them but people still fear their powers, this is exactly Bats viewpoint and that is why he has contingency plans against all members of the JL.
I mean in the Spiderman franchise, NY came from a world with no heroes to a city with one and a popular one at that. Did you have a hard time believing that? In IM1, they did the same thing and practically the back story of IM2.
Plus in this film, all that is confirmed is Batman with Superman, WW is casted (though might just be a cameo) and everything else is rumored. Stop taking everything that is written on the net to be true.
And again, mutants or super powered beings aren't the norm in Marvel Studios universe, Cap was famous from back in the day but most only knew of him as a soldier, hell he had movies or tv shows starring him. It isn't general public that dude was frozen and that he beat Hydra (public doesn't even know about Hydra) and the Red Skull. Yeah Iron Man is a famous hero but he is still a regular human with a suit of armor who used to produce weapons, far from a super powered being like Thor. NYC doesn't have Spiderman in this world either and no one knows Peter was bit by a spider and turned into a masked hero, come on now.
They had Hulk, sure but having one super powered being who aren't even controllable is far from being the norm. Back to the point, NY never dealt with a Chitauri like invasion before and that is why no one was prepared, including SHIELD and if the Avengers weren't there, they'd be screwed. To summarize, having one man in a power suit and a green giant doesn't make them the norm in the Avengers universe.
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I am pretty sure bats existed in this cinematic universe before if he is retired. Probably how they are going to explain why he didnt save the world in the first place. It was tweeted that he controls drones from the batcave in Batman/Superman. We saw Wayne Enterprise satelites and stuff in MoS. Coul've been a drone stationed in geosynchronous orbit.
I am pretty sure all superheroes were just underground until the alien invasion
I am pretty sure all superheroes were just underground until the alien invasion
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All Superman got was help in MOS. No surprise he'd need Bats help this go around.
From a movie perspective, it wasn't so much they joined the Avengers, they were actively recruited. In the movie world they don't really have a rotating rogues gallery so they deal with disasters and threats as they encounter them. So when you look at Avengers if it wasn't for Fury it would've been Cap, Black Widow, and Hawkeye trying to take on Loki and his alien army until Thor came late in the game to save their *****. There'd be no reason for the Hulk or Iron Man to show up unless Tony happened to be in NYC. They didn't need to be in the Avengers, Fury needed them and wanted them to work together.
In the comics they all get manipulated by Loki so that's different and after is only when they thought it'd be a good idea and even then ppl left.
Another reason Supes will need help in the movies is cuz he's not written to his power set. He's not the smartest person in the world just most likely the most powerful. So right away he's struggling with evil genius enemies. Plus he's still naive and new to this **** while iirc Batman is somehow the vet that's been doing this for a while.
From a movie perspective, it wasn't so much they joined the Avengers, they were actively recruited. In the movie world they don't really have a rotating rogues gallery so they deal with disasters and threats as they encounter them. So when you look at Avengers if it wasn't for Fury it would've been Cap, Black Widow, and Hawkeye trying to take on Loki and his alien army until Thor came late in the game to save their *****. There'd be no reason for the Hulk or Iron Man to show up unless Tony happened to be in NYC. They didn't need to be in the Avengers, Fury needed them and wanted them to work together.
In the comics they all get manipulated by Loki so that's different and after is only when they thought it'd be a good idea and even then ppl left.
Another reason Supes will need help in the movies is cuz he's not written to his power set. He's not the smartest person in the world just most likely the most powerful. So right away he's struggling with evil genius enemies. Plus he's still naive and new to this **** while iirc Batman is somehow the vet that's been doing this for a while.
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my goal in many of these comic book threads is to troll
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but I'm thankful that he creates and updates many of these comic threads. I'm more so eager to see this film on screen and actually witness how they will bring these 2 heroes together. I just have a hard time visualizing how it's going to come together, especially under Snyder. I'm also assuming kryptonite is gonna play a HUGE role in the movie
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I know you do but I like it that you don't get mad and just chill so I will keep piling on until I could type no more.
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Trolls don't admit they are trolls. You have failed
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Trolls don't admit they are trolls. You have failed
A troll always has a backup plan. This isn't the last you've heard from me in this thread. Muwhahahaha...
