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im sorry but dude F'ed his baby mama....aint no coming back from that...
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Originally Posted by LifeLessons
im sorry but dude F'ed his baby mama....aint no coming back from that...
Originally Posted by SoHi 23
Originally Posted by LifeLessons
im sorry but dude F'ed his baby mama....aint no coming back from that...
Did you read anything I wrote?
If anything, that *$@! just makes it look like Jay was even more on NaS' %%#+.
Like the only reason he %$**$* her was because she was NaS' chick
What kind of !*$#! made *$@! is that?
There are stories about NaS/Beyonce, but I don't want to turn this into Salon talk or some *$@!/
Originally Posted by aBKLYNthing
any one remember the dude who broke down all the diss songs line for line? It was a while back.
I'm a big nas fan too, that's why I hate the bias....Originally Posted by Dee Are E
SoHi is a big nas fan so anything he says is biased
Shaun Carter to Jay-Z, damn you on Jaz #*!!
Jaz and Jay weren't even friends at this time. Plus, Jaz had been a failure in the hip hop game at this point. There's no reason for Jay to be on Jaz's #*!!.
Are y'all implying that everything I said is bias' $%#+%@@#?
Naw, I'm just saying my opinion of the entire "beef"
Y'all can say what you want, but I made my stance, and I supported it with more than enough evidence.
I'm a huge Jay fan, but I know I'm outmatched on Hov-Talk.
Edit: I just reread that joint.
If y'all think my !%@* was bias, what the hell did I just read?
Again, I'm impressed with Jay's lyricism here
Never once did I talk about how sick NaS' lyrics were or how dope Jay's flow was.
I stuck to facts, music(and how good you think it is) is all subjective.
Also alot of "facts" about NaS being wrong.
About the 91 thing and Nas not doing anything until Illmatic, Nas just dropped his Demo and he made Halftime(on the Zebrahead soundtrack) in 92.
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If you're going to write some long $#% !%@* like that, at least back up your facts.
I thought Biggie and Jay-Z were BOYSOriginally Posted by The Great Hibachi
Originally Posted by SoHi 23
Then Ether dropped.
Now, say what you want about it, but this song is not considered by many to be the greatest diss song of all time for no reason.
First of all, this song made it cool to not roll with Jay.
Jay had everything on LOCKDOWN during 01'.
Nas was presumed by many to have been dead and that he fell off.
Because Nastradamus was his last album, this was probably true(but QB's finest was actually pretty good, very slept on)
Jay was the king of swag, he had everyone on his nuts, he had the nerve to go at the legend of Nas, and he did it.
Now, here's one of the main reasons as to why Jay lost.
*ignore the Pap. song at the end and the stupid Kay-Slay laugh.
Yeah, NaS did that to Jay
have you EVER seen Jay act like that?
Now Ether is alot more than just punchlines about Jay...
REASON #2
First, Biggie's ya man, then you got the nerve to say that you better than Big
%+#% sucking lips, why don't you let the late, great veteran live?How much of Biggie's rhymes is gunna come out your fat lips?
if I ain't better than Big, I'm the closest one
First of all, how are you going to say that when you use his lyrics a lot.
Secondly how are you going to say that when Biggie is dead
Third, how the ##$* can you say that when you were supposed to be boys with Big?
REASON #3
Jay was obsessed with NaS
You been on my %+#%, ___,� you love my style
Wanted to be on every last one of my classics
You a fan, a phony, a fake, a *!%$%, a Stan
With Hawaiian Sophie fame, kept my name in his music
Let's look at the facts:
- sampling NaS on "Dead Presidents"
- samplinbg NaS on "Rap Game-Crack Game"
- Talking about NaS on "Where I'm From"
- Talking about NaS on "Sunshine"
- Asking NaS to redo the hook on "Dead Presidents", which NaS didn't do
- Asking NaS to appear on the "Dead Presidents" video, which NaS didn't do.
- Asking NaS to drop a verse on "Can I Live?, in which NaS didn't show up.
Calling my crib and I ain't even give you my numbers
To me, it's the classic case of someone(Jay) looking up to another(NaS), and that person totally @$%!%!++ on them(look above).
In 2001, Jay was the big dog and had the audience, money and popularity to finally get back at Nas for @$%!%!++ on him.
Doesn't that show you something?� Jay couldn't get over what NaS did all those years ago and had to get back at him.
REASON #4
You %%! went from Jaz to hanging with Kane, to Irv, to Big
n Eminem murdered you on your own +#!%
You a %+#%-riding %*%@++, you love the attention
Nas took shots at Jay asking him why he had to drop an album every year.
Basically implying that Jay always wanted to be in the headlines.
That he always wanted everyone to talk about him.
NaS isn't that type of dude though.
"Illmatic" dropped in 94, IWW in 96, "I Am..." and "Nastradamus" both dropped in 99(it was originally scheduled to be a double-album, but a lot of material was leaked)
RD dropped in 96, Vol.1 dropped in 97, Vol.2 dropped in 98, Vol.3 dropped in 99, the Dynasty(he appeared on all but 2 songs), dropped in 2000.
Nas is basically implying that Jay should let his music speak for itself and to not flood the market.
When "Takeover" dropped, Nas released the "Stillmatic Intro" as a sort of pre-track to "Ether"
Months went by between Ether and Takeover.
When Ether dropped, how quickly did Jay drop "Super Ugly"
Jay couldn't resist, he rushed out a half-assed attempt to try and prove to everyone that he hadn't lost.
I don't have the vid., but NaS' reaction to "Super Ugly" was a lot different than Jay's reaction to "Ether"
Here's some quotables though:
When [Jay-Z] put on the Dre beat and started going into my baby moms, I said, 'oh, man, he's pissing her off, and he's really sounding emotional"
This is the biggest disrespect he feel like he can do.' He didn't feel like he could come at me with science in his rhymes, he felt like he had to come with disrespect. And I felt like it was disrespect. We all knew it, the whole crew knew it, we was bugging, we was laughing. I called my baby moms, she was laughing. She didn't hear it, but she heard about it. It was like, wow, this dude really overdid it.
Let's be real, man, I did Ether to him. I got into his soul, and it's obvious that I broke his spirit. He was on the radio the next day with a broken spirit sounding like crazy.
I felt sorry for Jay. And I prayed for him, and I asked a few of my peoples to pray for him, because I felt that his spirit was really broke
Let me ask you this, if Jay was so confident he beat Nas with Takeover, why did he drop "Super Ugly"?
Did NaS drop a direct diss track at Jay after "Super Ugly"?
No, he knew that he got Jay, he knew he didn't have to make another Ether to prove his point.
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Ultimately, this battle wasn't about who had the hardest bars/lines.
This battle was the God MC falling out of his throne and having his spirit broken.
That, is why NaS won.
QFT
word, i just been too lazy to go into detail.....young jay-z stans never take any of this into question....
maybe in your bizzaro world....in the real world Nas knocked jay-z off mount olympus crashing down to earth.Originally Posted by MidEastBeast
Thanks for finding that jthagreat
No doubt Jay won and Takeover >>>>>>>>>> Ether
i'll admit that jay-z is in a better space then nas overall but in 2001, jay-z got him wit that ether and he lost.Originally Posted by MidEastBeast
Did you read ? Jay won the battle and the war.@ Nas dodging
I mean really, honestly...at the end of the day, what did nas really win? I'm with this guy.Originally Posted by MidEastBeast
Yes, Ether was huge in NYC i'm not doubting that.. I saw it myself. It was huge because it was like you described, a "comeback" like david vs goliath.
In reality it's a far weaker track than Takeover, and like you admitted, Jay is doing a lot better than Nas right now, both financially and musically.
Nas is still a better EQUAL rapper, but he took an L here.
Also dudes keep talking about Jay sounding sad on the radio.. I got a magazine interview were Nas says "the first time I heard that I cried" (talking about Pac dissing him)Call Ducktales and I'll post pics.
hahaOriginally Posted by COOLnificent
have you took a look at your avy latelyOriginally Posted by philly5fan
Ether is by far the most overrated diss track ever imo.....Takeover>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ether
Originally Posted by BobbyBrownpacks
plus...hov > nas in all aspects
Originally Posted by Enlightened Thought
jay won
That is neither here nor there, we're talking about when the battle was at it's prime.Originally Posted by MidEastBeast
Jay is doing a lot better than Nas right now, both financially and musically.
Nas says "the first time I heard that I cried" (talking about Pac dissing him)Call Ducktales and I'll post pics.
I don't really care about that. If this was a thread about Pac and Nas, then that would be valid.
I know for a fact that Pac and Nas squashed it and Pac agreed to take Nas out of "The 7 Day Theory", unfortunately we all know how that ended.
Pac and Nas never really had beef on this level.
Also, the reason I brang that up with Jay is because at that time, no one had ever heard Jay like that.
Jay was the king of everything at that time, to see him have a PUBLIC reaction like that speaks volumes.
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It's funny to me.
First it's "Jay $!%@#+ NaS's baby moms so he won"
Then, it's "Jay signed NaS, so he won"
How about y'all have an intelligent conversation with me about what actually happened in 2001?
How about y'all don't just state your opinion and then just run away(like a typical NT Music forum response)
Where's the reasoning?
maybe in your bizzaro world....in the real world Nas knocked jay-z off mount olympus crashing down to earth.
its all about aim....sure jay-z may have had the better gun, but Nas shot jay-z SQUARE in the heart with ether....
I couldn't have said it better myself.
Originally Posted by jthagreat
Jay won...BUT Ether was Big Everywhere.