ELECTION DAY 2008:........... Barack Obama, the next President of the United States of America

[toy collector123]

Originally Posted by TBONE95860

Originally Posted by acidicality

1. lmao @ saying everyone's discrediting the polls now because obama is down. right now they don't mean much-i bet if obama were up, the mccain reporters
would be saying the same things.




2. like someone already said, right now i wouldn't put too much stock into it. the republicans just had a convention and of course they're going to have
the momentum. i'd wait til after the debates until really taking them more seriously.

1. It's true though

and you didn't hear that from me, I already knew when Obama was up 8-9% that wasn't going to last.... McCain is in this battle to win & it's going to be a CLOSE race, Obama isn't running away this.
2. I agree... but obviously people care about politics right now a little more then usual.... Even during the primaries the TV ratings were quite large for primaries. Then you had 2 back-to-back records.... 1st DNC setting the record for most people watching from home, then to have the RNC beat the DNC the next week to set the all time Convention record. People obviously are tuning in & caring a lot. So therefore, even though it's still early, people like myself still care about what's going on NOW... not a month from now

The RNC ratings included PBS, DNC ratings did not. Nice try.

 

[kb8isclutch]

can't wait for the debates to start.

 

[tbone95860]

Alright you all can end the rumors.

Even the New York "LIBERAL" Times is running this article in Monday's paper....


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The Palins and Trig in May at Ms. Palin's baby shower. Trig was born a month early after a pregnancy Ms. Palin had hidden.
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This article was reported by Jodi Kantor, Kate Zernike and Catrin Einhorn and written by Ms. Kantor.

Sarah Palin's baby shower included a surprise guest: her own baby. He had arrived in the world a month early, so on a sunny May day, Ms. Palin, the governor of Alaska, rocked her newborn as her closest friends, sisters, even her obstetrician presented her with a potluck meal, presents and blue-and-white cake.

Most had learned that Ms. Palin was pregnant only a few weeks before. Struggling to accept that her child would be born with Down syndrome and fearful of public criticism of a governor's pregnancy, Ms. Palin had concealed the news that she was expecting even from her parents and children until her third trimester.

But as the governor introduced her son that day, according to a friend, Kristan Cole, she said she had come to regard him as a blessing from God. "Who of us in this room has the perfect child?" said Ms. Palin, who declined to be interviewed for this article.

Since that day, Trig Paxson Van Palin, still only 143 days old, has had an unexpected effect on his mother's political fortunes. Before her son was born, Ms. Palin went to extraordinary lengths to ensure that his arrival would not compromise her work. She hid the pregnancy. She traveled to Texas a month before her due date to give an important speech, delivering it even though her amniotic fluid was leaking. Three days after giving birth, she returned to work.

But with Trig in her arms, Ms. Palin has risen higher than ever. Senator John McCain, the Republican nominee for president, says he selected her as his running mate because of her image as a reformer, but she is also making motherhood an explicit part of her appeal, running as a self-proclaimed hockey mom. In just a few months, she has gone from hiding her pregnancy from those closest to her to toting her infant on stage at the Republican National Convention.

No one has ever tried to combine presidential politics and motherhood in quite the way Ms. Palin is doing, and it is no simple task. In the last week, the criticism she feared in Alaska has exploded into a national debate. On blogs and at PTA meetings, voters alternately cheer and fault her balancing act, and although many are thrilled to see a child with special needs in the spotlight, some accuse her of exploiting Trig for political gain.

But her son has given Ms. Palin, 44, a powerful message. Other candidates kiss strangers' babies; Ms. Palin has one of her own. He is tangible proof of Ms. Palin's anti-abortion convictions, which have rallied social conservatives, and her belief that women can balance family life with ambitious careers. And on Wednesday in St. Paul, she proclaimed herself a guardian of the nation's disabled children.

"Children with special needs inspire a special love," Ms. Palin said, echoing the message she had shared at the shower.

A New Turn

By last winter, Ms. Palin seemed to have everything she had ever wanted. She had raised four children while turning herself into a rising star of the Republican Party of Alaska and then the national one. But then the still-new governor discovered she was pregnant. Piper, the youngest of the Palin brood, was 6. The family had long since given away their crib and high chair.

A few weeks later, after an amniocentesis, a prenatal test to identify genetic defects, Ms. Palin learned the results. Some abortion opponents decline such tests, but as her older sister, Heather Bruce, said, Ms. Palin "likes to be prepared." With her husband, Todd, away at his job in the oil fields of the North Slope, Ms. Palin told no one for three days, she later said.

Once they reunited, the Palins struggled to understand what they would face. Children with Down syndrome experience varying degrees of cognitive disability and a higher-than-average risk of hearing loss, hypothyroidism and seizure disorders. About half are born with heart defects, which often require surgery.

The couple decided to keep quiet about the pregnancy so they could absorb the news, they told people later.

And there were political factors to consider. "I didn't want Alaskans to fear I would not be able to fulfill my duties," Ms. Palin told People magazine last week.

The governor, thin to begin with, began an elaborate game of fashion-assisted camouflage. When Vogue photographed her, five months pregnant, for a profile in January, she hid in a big green parka. At work, she wore long, loose blazers and artfully draped accessories.

"All of a sudden she had this penchant for really beautiful scarves," recalled Angelina Burney, who works across the hallway from the governor in Anchorage.

As Ms. Palin's clothes grew tighter, Alaskans began to talk. She told several aides that she was pregnant, and a week or so later, her parents and her children, who called other relatives.

On March 5, as she was leaving her office for a reception, she shared the news with three reporters.

"We're expanding," the governor said brightly, said the deputy press secretary, Sharon Leighow.

"You're expanding state government?" one of the reporters asked.

"No, my family's expanding," she said. "I'm pregnant."

The trio fell silent, dropping their eyes from the governor's face to her belly.

"You're kidding," one finally mustered.

She assured them she would not take much time off: she had returned to work the day after giving birth to Piper. "To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time," she said, "I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave."

There was no mention of the baby's condition. Instead, she joked about giving her child the middle name Van, since Van Palin would sound sort of like the hard rock band Van Halen.

The next day, her office issued a minimalist masterpiece of a press release, conveying the news in three curt sentences.

In private, the Palins slowly started to share the Down syndrome diagnosis. They wrote a long letter to Ms. Bruce, Ms. Palin's sister, who has an autistic son, explaining how they had come to embrace the challenges their baby would bring.

In mid-April, Ms. Palin and her husband flew to Texas for an energy conference with fellow Republican governors. Days before, Ms. Palin, a little-known governor from a faraway state, was asked to speak to her peers.

Pressing Ahead

Around 4 a.m. on the day of her presentation, Ms. Palin stirred in her hotel room to an unusual sensation. According to The Anchorage Daily News, she was leaking amniotic fluid. She woke her husband and called her doctor back home. Go ahead and give the speech, said the doctor, Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, who declined to comment for this article.

So Ms. Palin marched through the day. At a news conference, a reporter asked the six Republican governors present to raise their hands if they would refuse to serve as Mr. McCain's vice-presidential nominee. Ms. Palin was one of two who kept their hands down.

In her lunchtime speech, Ms. Palin held forth on the trillions of cubic feet of gas in the Alaskan Arctic, competitive bidding over pipeline construction and natural gas combustion. As she left the podium, Gov. Rick Perry of Texas joked, "You're not going to give birth, are you?"

Ms. Palin just laughed.

"Nobody knew a thing," said Gov. Linda Lingle of Hawaii. "I only found out from my security detail on the way home that she had gone into labor and that she had gone home to Alaska."

In fact, Ms. Palin was not in labor, and her doctor thought she had time. So the governor flew to Seattle, continued to Anchorage and then drove to a small hospital near her hometown, Wasilla - a journey of at least 10 hours.

"She wanted to get back to Alaska to have that baby," said a friend, Curtis Menard. "Man, that is one tough lady."

A woman with symptoms like Ms. Palin's should be examined to determine her condition, said Dr. Laura Riley of Massachusetts General Hospital. The long trip home could have posed a risk, "but the odds were still in her favor that everything would be O.K.," said Dr. Susan E. Gerber of Northwestern University.

When Ms. Palin arrived at the hospital, she was still not in labor, so her doctor induced it, Ms. Bruce said. Trig was born early the next morning, weighing 6 pounds 2 ounces.

Parents who were in the next delivery room said the scene looked like any other, with no security detail in sight. The three Palin daughters came and went, and as Todd Palin passed through the corridors, he stopped to accept congratulations.

A Discovery

Inside Ms. Palin's room, her daughter Willow, 14, immediately noticed her new brother's condition, according to People magazine. "He looks like he has Down syndrome," Willow said. "Why didn't you tell us?"

Ms. Palin had wanted to let the news of the pregnancy sink in first, said Ms. Cole, her friend. She had intended to tell her family more after she returned from Texas. Then the baby arrived.

Her hesitation gone, Ms. Palin glowed with maternal pride. "Sarah was absolutely ecstatic," said a friend, Marilyn Lane. After months of reflection and prayer, friends say, the Palins, who are Christians, had come to believe God had sent them Trig.

Later that day, Ms. Palin sent an e-mail message to her relatives and close friends about her new son, Ms. Bruce said. She signed it, "Trig's Creator, Your Heavenly Father."

"Many people will express sympathy, but you don't want or need that, because Trig will be a joy," Ms. Palin wrote. She added, "Children are the most precious and promising ingredient in this mixed-up world you live in down there on Earth. Trig is no different, except he has one extra chromosome."

Ms. Palin's three-day maternity leave has now become legend among mothers. But aides say she eased back into work, first stopping by her office in Anchorage for a meeting, bringing not only the baby but also her husband to look after him.

Many high-powered parents separate work and children; Ms. Palin takes a wholly different approach. "She's the mom and the governor, and they're not separate," Ms. Cole said. Around the governor's offices, it was not uncommon to get on the elevator and discover Piper, smothering her puppy with kisses.

"She'll be with Piper or Trig, then she's got a press conference or negotiations about the natural gas pipeline or a bill to sign, and it's all business," Ms. Burney, who works across the hall, said. "She just says, 'Mommy's got to do this press conference.' "

Ms. Palin installed a travel crib in her Anchorage office and a baby swing in her Juneau one. For much of the summer, she carried Trig in a sling as she signed bills and sat through hearings, even nursing him unseen during conference calls.

Todd Palin took a leave from his job as an oil field production operator, and campaign aides said he was doing the same now.

At her baby shower, Ms. Palin joked about her months of secrecy, Ms. Lane said. "About the seventh month I thought I'd better let people know," Ms. Palin said.

"So it was really great," she continued. "I was only pregnant a month."

 

[tbone95860]

Originally Posted by Toy Collector123

Originally Posted by TBONE95860

Originally Posted by acidicality

1. lmao @ saying everyone's discrediting the polls now because obama is down. right now they don't mean much-i bet if obama were up, the mccain reporters
would be saying the same things.




2. like someone already said, right now i wouldn't put too much stock into it. the republicans just had a convention and of course they're going to have
the momentum. i'd wait til after the debates until really taking them more seriously.

1. It's true though

and you didn't hear that from me, I already knew when Obama was up 8-9% that wasn't going to last.... McCain is in this battle to win & it's going to be a CLOSE race, Obama isn't running away this.
2. I agree... but obviously people care about politics right now a little more then usual.... Even during the primaries the TV ratings were quite large for primaries. Then you had 2 back-to-back records.... 1st DNC setting the record for most people watching from home, then to have the RNC beat the DNC the next week to set the all time Convention record. People obviously are tuning in & caring a lot. So therefore, even though it's still early, people like myself still care about what's going on NOW... not a month from now

The RNC ratings included PBS, DNC ratings did not. Nice try.

Actually the RNC was shown on 2 LESS channels, nice try though.

 

[nyk buc]

the YOUTH vote is huge now for obama. usually these youth voters don't participate in these polls i don't think and they are VERY hard to gauge onelection day. obama needs to motivate them to come out on 11/4.

 

[pdouly33]

I'm so glad her family is off limits to the media...

Oh wait....that's the only thing she has talked about so far to the media.

 

[munition sf]

^^^ to me, I feel that this "publicity" is actually helping Palin and the McCain party. I don't feel so much media is needed to be put on thispregnancy. But then again, she's a former model AND governor of Alaska.

I'll just wait this out until the real debates.

 

[nycknicks105]

Originally Posted by pdouly33

I'm so glad her family is off limits to the media...

Oh wait....that's the only thing she has talked about so far to the media.

I have a feeling this election is going to get ugly REAL fast.

 

[untitled]

Originally Posted by nyk buc

the YOUTH vote is huge now for obama. usually these youth voters don't participate in these polls i don't think and they are VERY hard to gauge on election day. obama needs to motivate them to come out on 11/4.

when u got people like this guy making it cool to go register as he was doing, the youth will follow.

 

[snaggykicks]

please jesus dont let these rich fat white people put mccain in office please!!!

 

[tbone95860]

[table][tr][td]Monday, September 08[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Race[/td] [td]Poll[/td] [td]Results[/td] [td]Spread[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Michigan[/td] [td]PPP (D)[/td] [td]Obama 47, McCain 46[/td] [td]Obama +1[/td] [/tr][tr][td]National[/td] [td]CNN[/td] [td]McCain 48, Obama 48[/td] [td]Tie[/td] [/tr][tr][td]National[/td] [td]USA Today/Gallup[/td] [td]McCain 54, Obama 44[/td] [td]McCain +10[/td] [/tr][tr][td]National[/td] [td]Rasmussen Tracking[/td] [td]McCain 48, Obama 47[/td] [td]McCain +1[/td] [/tr][tr][td]National[/td] [td]Hotline/FD Tracking[/td] [td]McCain 44, Obama 44[/td] [td]Tie[/td] [/tr][tr][td]National[/td] [td]Gallup Tracking[/td] [td]McCain 49, Obama 44[/td] [td]McCain +5
[/td] [/tr][/table]

[table][tr][th=""]Poll[/th] [th=""]Date[/th] [th=""]Sample[/th] [th=""]McCain (R)[/th] [th=""]Obama (D)[/th] [th=""]Spread[/th] [/tr][tr][td]RCP Average[/td] [td]09/05 - 09/07[/td] [td]--[/td] [td]48.6[/td] [td]45.4[/td] [td]McCain +3.2[/td] [/tr][tr][td]CNN[/td] [td]09/05 - 09/07[/td] [td]942 RV[/td] [td]48[/td] [td]48[/td] [td]Tie[/td] [/tr][tr][td]USA Today/Gallup[/td] [td]09/05 - 09/07[/td] [td]823 LV[/td] [td]54[/td] [td]44[/td] [td]McCain +10[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Rasmussen Tracking[/td] [td]09/05 - 09/07[/td] [td]3000 LV[/td] [td]48[/td] [td]47[/td] [td]McCain +1[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Hotline/FD Tracking[/td] [td]09/05 - 09/07[/td] [td]924 RV[/td] [td]44[/td] [td]44[/td] [td]Tie[/td] [/tr][tr][td]Gallup Tracking[/td] [td]09/05 - 09/07[/td] [td]2733 RV[/td] [td]49[/td] [td]44[/td] [td]McCain +5[/td] [/tr][/table]

 

[tbone95860]

 

[tylerdub]

Things are going to start going south fast for Obama. Not because fat white rich people (SMH at snaggykicks for that one) are going to put him in the office,but because the Palin/McCain ticket is sooooo much better.

 

[nostrandave68]

Yeah because selecting a woman that doesn't bring anything to the table in terms of economic policy or foreign policy experience was such an intelligentpick and really brought strength to the ticket. Not to mention McCain entrusted her with the job of VP only after meeting her once.

I'm sorry but the big embrace of Palin by many shows the stupidity of this nation, not even tryna be condescending but I really feel basic intelligence hasbecome scarce among many communities throughout America both black and white.

If this election is won because of the Palin selection America deserves whatever hardships that arise in the coming 4 years.

 

[tylerdub]

I love how the Obama supporters want to throw rocks at Palin because of her lack of experience. Anyone who supports Obama should realize that they haveabsolutely no leverage in talking about Palin. Besides, McCain is running for president and he has experience on his side against Obama and Biden.

 

[vintagefits]

Originally Posted by tylerdub

Anyone who supports Obama should realize that they have absolutely no leverage in talking about Palin.

stop exaggerating to get your point across. It comes offpitiful.

 

[thagreatj]

Originally Posted by NostrandAve68

Yeah because selecting a woman that doesn't bring anything to the table in terms of economic policy or foreign policy experience was such an intelligent pick and really brought strength to the ticket. Not to mention McCain entrusted her with the job of VP only after meeting her once.

I'm sorry but the big embrace of Palin by many shows the stupidity of this nation, not even tryna be condescending but I really feel basic intelligence has become scarce among many communities throughout America both black and white.

If this election is won because of the Palin selection America deserves whatever hardships that arise in the coming 4 years.

co Fn sign

Women should have felt offended when she said that 18 mill vote "could" come her way due to her runnin and hilary not....thats would be sayin 18 milwere votin for hilary cause she a woman and not policy thus calllin them stupid..

 

[sundoobie]

Originally Posted by tylerdub

I love how the Obama supporters want to throw rocks at Palin because of her lack of experience. Anyone who supports Obama should realize that they have absolutely no leverage in talking about Palin. Besides, McCain is running for president and he has experience on his side against Obama and Biden.

Then why is Palin afraid to talk to reporters??

Here is a VP candidate, and the girl is scared of all thetough questions reporters want to ask her.

Look at the EXCUSE they provide...

"She's not scared to answer questions," McCain campaign manager Rick Davis said on "Fox News Sunday." "But you know what? We run our campaign, not the news media. And we'll do things on our timetable."

"Why would we want to throw Sarah Palin into a cycle of piranhas called the news media that have nothing better to ask questions about than her personal life and her children?" Davis said. "So until at which point in time we feel like the news media is going to treat her with some level of respect and deference, I think it would be foolhardy to put her out into that kind of environment."

In other words, the %%$!$ may CRY!!!

 

[tbone95860]

[h3]Today's Polls, 9/8[/h3]
Polling, especially during the convention period, is often described as a "roller coaster", but I think the metaphor is a little bit more powerful than that. You can ride a particular coaster a dozen times, visualize the ride, and tell yourself that you aren't going to be scared when you go down the first big hill. But inevitably, if you have genetics like mine, you'll be still be screaming once you've actually strapped yourself in and are riding the damned thing. There are certain things that are so experientially intense that it's probably impossible to fully prepare yourself for them -- you can know exactly what's coming, and it doesn't matter.

At this very moment, John McCain has a lead of something like 2, maybe 3 points in the national polls. If I had asked you, before the convention period began, what you expected the national tracking numbers to look like on the weekend immediately following the Republican convention, my hunch is that the average guess would have been right around a Republican +2 lead -- exactly where the polls are now.

Is it possible that the race has entered some sort of new steady state? Yes, of course -- such things happened following the Republican Convention in 1988 and the Democratic Convention in 1992, for instance. But history tells us that far more often, convention bounces recede. And even if this one doesn't, the absolute worst case for Barack Obama is that he'll be within striking distance given one good debate performance, and will probably also have a slightly stronger hand to play in the electoral college than in the national popular vote.

McCain's bounce is probably now fully manifested. I think he might pick up one more point or so in the Gallup tracker tomorrow, as I show slightly stronger results for him on Sunday (+5.0) and Saturday (+7.2) than I do on Friday (+2.7). But I don't know that he's going to get much more than that without further, intervening events.

Public Policy Polling also has a survey out in Michigan, which shows Obama with a 1-point, 47-46 lead. Those are better numbers for McCain than other PPP polls of the Wolverine State -- he had trailed by 3 in July -- but actually ought to be a somewhat heartening result for Democrats, since it means that Michigan is polling about 3 or 4 points more Democratic than the nation as a whole. I will have more thoughts today or tomorrow about the way that individual states might be affected by the convention period.

 

[lilstarz07]

people actin like if they were in palins shoes they would talk to every media outlet lol ... she got a promotion, the best thing to happen to someone in anycorporate setting, and luckily she is the VP not the president so therefore she has time to grow and mature, Obama will be learning on the job and thats not agood look for the president

 

[lilfeet47]

Originally Posted by LilStarZ07

people actin like if they were in palins shoes they would talk to every media outlet lol ... she got a promotion, the best thing to happen to someone in any corporate setting, and luckily she is the VP not the president so therefore she has time to grow and mature, Obama will be learning on the job and thats not a good look for the president

Lets hope Mccain doesn't roll over and die during that time that Palin has to grow and mature.

 

[willinc]

Originally Posted by peks03

what happened to all the "obama...ftw" posts on here?

OBAMA FTW

 

[lilstarz07]

Originally Posted by lilfeet47

Originally Posted by LilStarZ07

people actin like if they were in palins shoes they would talk to every media outlet lol ... she got a promotion, the best thing to happen to someone in any corporate setting, and luckily she is the VP not the president so therefore she has time to grow and mature, Obama will be learning on the job and thats not a good look for the president

Lets hope Mccain doesn't roll over and die during that time that Palin has to grow and mature.

she will be ready by november ... they dont have to teach her to dictate policy from her heart cuz thats inside her, they just need to give her the informationshe needs to be successful as a VP and eventual president

 

[nothinafter]

Originally Posted by Barack 0drama

MCCAIN leads by 3.2%

 

[bwoodfolkgd74]

smh@ the ny post