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FREE Palestine! END the Occupation! STOP the Bombings! EDIT: BEGIN THE BOYCOTTS! PLEASE READ
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No.
Unlike most people on NT when it comes to political and world issues... I'm actually educated on the topics.
That being said, you can have your Liberal view.... but unlike you I won't make any snide comments like the one you made
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Originally Posted by TBONE95860
No.
Unlike most people on NT when it comes to political and world issues... I'm actually educated on the topics.
That being said, you can have your Liberal view.... but unlike you I won't make any snide comments like the one you made
Word ?
Because I doubt I've seen you make a contributive single post in here other than news articles or co-signing someone else, that or a one liner like theanti-semitic comment.
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[h1]Gaza hospital overwhelmed by dead, wounded[/h1]
By IBRAHIM BARZAK and DIAA HADID, Associated Press Writers Ibrahim Barzak And Diaa Hadid, Associated Press Writers Mon Jan 5, 3:32 pm ET
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Wailing in grief, Salah Samouni banged his head against a wall inside the hospital morgue where the bodies of his three youngnephews lay on the floor Monday.
After 10 days of a relentless Israeli assault, Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, is overwhelmed. Bodies were crowded two to a morgue drawer, and some -like 3-year-old Issa, 4-year-old Mohammed and 5-year-old Ahmad - were on the floor.
Shifa's shabby halls echoed Monday with the sounds of people screaming and the wail of ambulance sirens. Many of the wounded were being treated inhallways by harried doctors and nurses running on little sleep. The hospital was powered by emergencygenerators after shelling damaged power lines.
Since Israel began a ground offensive Saturday, most of the dead and wounded arriving at Shifa arecivilians, as Israel's offensive shifts from airstrikes to artillery shelling and fighting close to densely populated areas.
Israel says it is targeting only the Hamas militants who control Gaza in an attempt to halt seven yearsof rocket fire at Israeli communities. But the 550 Palestinians who have been killed include at least 200 civilians, according to Dr. Moaiya Hassanein of theGaza Health Ministry.
On Monday, 20 children between the ages of 2 and 15 were killed, he said. Since the military offensive began Dec. 27, three Israeli civilians and twosoldiers have been killed.
Nurse Ahmad Abdul Salam, 34, red-eyed and smelling of sweat, his clothes stained with blood, said hecouldn't sleep. "When my shift ends, I help my colleagues. These are our brothers and friends who are being harmed," he said.
The hospital's most gruesome scene was in its morgue, where blood pooled on the floor and refrigerators meant to hold 35 bodies were crammed with 70,laid side-by-side in drawers.
Lying on a gray mat on the floor, the three Samouni brothers appeared baby-faced and almost as though they were asleep, except for a large bandage wrappedaround Issa's head.
The children's father was also killed in what relatives said was an Israeli strike on a house in eastern Gaza City where the family had fled to escapefighting nearby.
Relatives wept Monday and one man screamed for help for other family members he said were buried under the rubble of the house. "For God's sake,rescue them!" he pleaded.
No militants were seen at Shifa. Israel says its forces have killed dozens of Palestinian gunmen, but Hamas has not listed its casualties and it is unclearwhere militants are being treated or where their bodies were taken.
Shifa has been powered by generators since power completely cut out in Gaza City three days ago. Israel has not replenished Gaza's power station withindustrial fuel since fighting began, and airstrikes have badly damaged power lines.
U.N. health official Mahmoud Daher said the generators were meant only as an emergency backup and he feared they would break down with the constant use,imperiling some 70 people hooked up to lifesaving equipment.
Throughout the day, exhausted medics rushed in with the wounded and the bodies of the dead.
Mohammed Salman, 26, a volunteer medic washing blood from the inside of an ambulance, said he had treated people with horrific injuries, including headlesschildren and a woman whose stomach had been torn open.
The woman screamed, "Leave me and save my children," he said, and burst into tears.
Israeli aircraft have hit three ambulances in Gaza since the campaign began, killing seven medics,according to Gaza health officials.
A medical building owned by a relief organization not connected to Hamas was also bombed, said Daher. He said the building was destroyed, along with anambulance, three mobile clinics and donated medicines.
The Israeli army says it has no records of any of those strikes.
Raed Arini, a Shifa hospital official, said he has stopped filling out the space on death certificatesthat says "reason for death."
"The reason for death is the Israeli army," he said, as medics rushed in with more woundedpeople.
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Associated Press writer Diaa Hadid reported from Jerusalem.
By IBRAHIM BARZAK and DIAA HADID, Associated Press Writers Ibrahim Barzak And Diaa Hadid, Associated Press Writers Mon Jan 5, 3:32 pm ET
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Wailing in grief, Salah Samouni banged his head against a wall inside the hospital morgue where the bodies of his three youngnephews lay on the floor Monday.
After 10 days of a relentless Israeli assault, Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, is overwhelmed. Bodies were crowded two to a morgue drawer, and some -like 3-year-old Issa, 4-year-old Mohammed and 5-year-old Ahmad - were on the floor.
Shifa's shabby halls echoed Monday with the sounds of people screaming and the wail of ambulance sirens. Many of the wounded were being treated inhallways by harried doctors and nurses running on little sleep. The hospital was powered by emergencygenerators after shelling damaged power lines.
Since Israel began a ground offensive Saturday, most of the dead and wounded arriving at Shifa arecivilians, as Israel's offensive shifts from airstrikes to artillery shelling and fighting close to densely populated areas.
Israel says it is targeting only the Hamas militants who control Gaza in an attempt to halt seven yearsof rocket fire at Israeli communities. But the 550 Palestinians who have been killed include at least 200 civilians, according to Dr. Moaiya Hassanein of theGaza Health Ministry.
On Monday, 20 children between the ages of 2 and 15 were killed, he said. Since the military offensive began Dec. 27, three Israeli civilians and twosoldiers have been killed.
Nurse Ahmad Abdul Salam, 34, red-eyed and smelling of sweat, his clothes stained with blood, said hecouldn't sleep. "When my shift ends, I help my colleagues. These are our brothers and friends who are being harmed," he said.
The hospital's most gruesome scene was in its morgue, where blood pooled on the floor and refrigerators meant to hold 35 bodies were crammed with 70,laid side-by-side in drawers.
Lying on a gray mat on the floor, the three Samouni brothers appeared baby-faced and almost as though they were asleep, except for a large bandage wrappedaround Issa's head.
The children's father was also killed in what relatives said was an Israeli strike on a house in eastern Gaza City where the family had fled to escapefighting nearby.
Relatives wept Monday and one man screamed for help for other family members he said were buried under the rubble of the house. "For God's sake,rescue them!" he pleaded.
No militants were seen at Shifa. Israel says its forces have killed dozens of Palestinian gunmen, but Hamas has not listed its casualties and it is unclearwhere militants are being treated or where their bodies were taken.
Shifa has been powered by generators since power completely cut out in Gaza City three days ago. Israel has not replenished Gaza's power station withindustrial fuel since fighting began, and airstrikes have badly damaged power lines.
U.N. health official Mahmoud Daher said the generators were meant only as an emergency backup and he feared they would break down with the constant use,imperiling some 70 people hooked up to lifesaving equipment.
Throughout the day, exhausted medics rushed in with the wounded and the bodies of the dead.
Mohammed Salman, 26, a volunteer medic washing blood from the inside of an ambulance, said he had treated people with horrific injuries, including headlesschildren and a woman whose stomach had been torn open.
The woman screamed, "Leave me and save my children," he said, and burst into tears.
Israeli aircraft have hit three ambulances in Gaza since the campaign began, killing seven medics,according to Gaza health officials.
A medical building owned by a relief organization not connected to Hamas was also bombed, said Daher. He said the building was destroyed, along with anambulance, three mobile clinics and donated medicines.
The Israeli army says it has no records of any of those strikes.
Raed Arini, a Shifa hospital official, said he has stopped filling out the space on death certificatesthat says "reason for death."
"The reason for death is the Israeli army," he said, as medics rushed in with more woundedpeople.
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Associated Press writer Diaa Hadid reported from Jerusalem.
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3 Israel soldiers killed today
due to friendly fire.
due to friendly fire.
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No.
Unlike most people on NT when it comes to political and world issues... I'm actually educated on the topics.
That being said, you can have your Liberal view.... but unlike you I won't make any snide comments like the one you made
Snide comment number one.
Snide comment number two, while saying that you don't make snide comments.
Just saying.
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Please explain to him, as well as me, how that is ignorant? Hamas, as well as the rest of the Middle East, wants to wipe Israel off the face ofthe planet.Originally Posted by Tinchy Stryder
Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000
At that anti-Semitic gathering
At your Ignorant statement.
The WHOLE WORLD is against Israel, unfortunately. America is their only ally. And as we (America) grow weaker, Israel will be in trouble. Markmy words, the world will be banging at Israel's gates very soon. We will see how it all goes down though...
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1) Are NTers that are pro-Palestine considered Hamas now?Originally Posted by CarminePOWER
Please explain to him, as well as me, how that is ignorant? Hamas, as well as the rest of the Middle East, wants to wipe Israel off the face of the planet.Originally Posted by Tinchy Stryder
Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000
At that anti-Semitic gathering
At your Ignorant statement.
2) The hatred for Israel on the part of Hamas has all to do with the illegal occupation of their land and nothing to do with the Jewish religion.
lrrr
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can i see the proof of those companies giving their profits to Israel?
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Exactly what I was thinking. The occupiers just happen to be Jewish. They could have been Catholics, Muslims, Taoists...that's irrelevant towhat makes it WRONG.Originally Posted by Mo Matik
1) Are NTers that are pro-Palestine considered Hamas now?Originally Posted by CarminePOWER
Please explain to him, as well as me, how that is ignorant? Hamas, as well as the rest of the Middle East, wants to wipe Israel off the face of the planet.Originally Posted by Tinchy Stryder
Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000
At that anti-Semitic gathering
At your Ignorant statement.
2) The hatred for Israel on the part of Hamas has all to do with the illegal occupation of their land and nothing to do with the Jewish religion.
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It has nothing to do with being anti-zionism, anti-israel, or pro-Palestinian. Anti-semitic simply means that you hate jews.
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1) I think Daytona was referring to Hamas, not NTers.Originally Posted by Mo Matik
1) Are NTers that are pro-Palestine considered Hamas now?Originally Posted by CarminePOWER
Please explain to him, as well as me, how that is ignorant? Hamas, as well as the rest of the Middle East, wants to wipe Israel off the face of the planet.Originally Posted by Tinchy Stryder
Originally Posted by DAYTONA 5000
At that anti-Semitic gathering
At your Ignorant statement.
2) The hatred for Israel on the part of Hamas has all to do with the illegal occupation of their land and nothing to do with the Jewish religion.
2) Oh, woe is Hamas! They lose their land and believe firing rockets (at civilians, mind you) is going to help their situation. How would you respond ifpeople were firing rockets at your house for little or no reason, seeing as you're a civilian who had nothing to do with his forefather's actions? Would you truly give up your land? Palestinians could have had a homeland many years ago, but they are bull-headed and slow. Every time they get a deal, theydon't accept it, incite a fight, and lose. Then they are offered another deal. The cycle repeats itself.
And as for dude who said if you're anti-Bush, you're anti-Christian, that has to be one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard. I have beenanti-Bush since 2003, before it became the latest "fad" to rag on Bush's stupidity and poor leadership. And still, I am Christian
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What Israel supporters fail to realize is that extremists and groups like Hamas LOVE it when Israel uses violence as a means of resolving conflict. Israeliviolence only further provokes Hamas in responding with further attacks against Israel. Israel's aggression legitimizes Hamas' cause. It gives Hamasmore reason to justify any future attacks against Israelis. This entire Israeli offensive is counter-productive because while it may enhance Israeli securityin the short-run, it breeds more Arab hatred which may be devastating to Israeli security in the long-run. Also, had Israel not retaliated in the manner thatthey have, would Hamas have continued to launch these 30-60 rockets on a daily basis? I'm not justifying Hamas' actions by any means but what Israel isdoing defies any logic. Look at Sharon's policies as PM of Israel. Near the end of his tenure as PM he realized that his hard-line approach was simply noteffective in repelling terrorist threats within Israel.
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Just because the death toll is low means that the Israeli's should just grin And bear it? I don't think so. And if I was in the situation that youbrought up, the LAST thing I would do is shoot rockets at a country that could obliterate me at any moment.
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why do you people patronize these idiot zionist NTers? why bother to argue? they hate arabs
i'll sum it up for you:
jews hate arabs and want to destroy the arab world
the u.s. wants to destroy the arab world
the world in general hates arabs
western media is biased towards jews and teach us that arabs & muslims are all terrorists "them thar a-rab terrorists" (every media outlet iscontrolled by jewish people)
jews will bring up the "holocaust" or "anti semitism" to justify doing whatever they please
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i'll sum it up for you:
jews hate arabs and want to destroy the arab world
the u.s. wants to destroy the arab world
the world in general hates arabs
western media is biased towards jews and teach us that arabs & muslims are all terrorists "them thar a-rab terrorists" (every media outlet iscontrolled by jewish people)
jews will bring up the "holocaust" or "anti semitism" to justify doing whatever they please
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Israel's government, its policy & the people that support it are a vile, disgusting and humanity-eroding bunch. Wiping out entire families in order tosend a message to the person being targeted is something that is beyond the scope of war. It's whats the world has come to expect from these life-suckingvampires. Israel's rigorously planned diplomatic offensive focuses on the 20 Israelis killed in eight years, not the 1,700Palestinians killed in three. There is no such thing as collateral damage, because it subjugates an entire people, culture and society. It's agradual erosion of life & culture that has taken place in throughout Gaza/Palestine in retribution/vengeance for nothing, but a handful of peoplewho've been affected in Israel. Israel is no different or better than the terrorists which it claims to be fighting. They're fighting more than justterrorists, they're fighting an entire people and slowly, but surely making their life, culture and will to live obsolete. It's a sociopathicindifference to death of Palestinians.
"Those who favor the attack on Gaza due to that calculus are certainly misguided about the likely outcome. And many war supporters who fall into this morebenign category are guilty of insufficiently weighing the deaths of Palestinian innocents and, relatedly, of such overwhelming emotional and culturalattachment to Israel and Israelis that they long ago ceased viewing this conflict with any remnant of objectivity. " -- Glenn Greenwald
"Those who favor the attack on Gaza due to that calculus are certainly misguided about the likely outcome. And many war supporters who fall into this morebenign category are guilty of insufficiently weighing the deaths of Palestinian innocents and, relatedly, of such overwhelming emotional and culturalattachment to Israel and Israelis that they long ago ceased viewing this conflict with any remnant of objectivity. " -- Glenn Greenwald
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Please watch occupation 101, and get your facts straight. It's not about Jews and Muslims... stop. It's about freedom to live in your land withoutoccupation, unjust sanctions, and conditions unbearable to any standards of living. Psychologists ran a study on Palestinian children and found that most ofthem do not even have a will to live anymore. How would you like it if a bulldozer came and mucked down your house whether you were in it or not and said''so-and-so'' gave this property to me?
What the Israelis are doing to Palestinians is an injustice to humanity. We must end this now, we cannot let it go on.
What the Israelis are doing to Palestinians is an injustice to humanity. We must end this now, we cannot let it go on.
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Heaviest fighting in Israel's war on Hamas rages in Gaza City where troops and militants clash.
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israel are terrorists
Given comments and beliefs like this, it really is no wonder people in the world are constantly fighting (and no I'm not Jewish).
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Gotta love you kill the Zionist pigs on NT. Blame the Jews, after all everything is their fault. All the instability in the Mideast, yeah the Jews fault.
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Originally Posted by solefob
Originally Posted by Kobe Fan
If this is true, im heading out there right now to support them.
The real terrorism is from the rocket firing from Gaza.
What do you expect them to do? Disregard the rockets, and call it a day...
You try living under occupation for over 40 years with no rights, no control over your future, and no hope and see what kind of actions you would be taking against that occupying force.
Don't compare homemade crude rockets against one of the most powerful militaries in the world using all their might indiscriminately into densely populated cities in Gaza.
Also, its not about being anti-jew cuz we're not, its about believing in whats right, just, and fair and thats for the Palestinians to be in control of their own land.
The rest of the world is on our side, its only through the protection of the United States that allows Israel to go on and do whatever it wants.
Just remember how this country was founded and what steps they took to gain their independence.
Wars are started, lands are exchanged, to the victor goes the spoils.
Just because a rocket is "homemade" doesnt make it any less dangerous than any other weapon that is made for one reason, death.
Timothy McVey anyone?
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lrrr
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what just happened there?
