GRADUATE STUDENTS OF NT

Think about it like this

You are admission officer to a grad program

Three kids applications walk in...idk if you've seen official transcripts, but it does show a "W" on your transcripts and the ones law school accepts show all the classes you've taken, dropped or not, it's called an "adjusted gpa."

You're looking, one kid has a 3.4, but a transcript full of Ws

another kid has a 2.9 but no Ws


W means you quit, it got hard so you quit, whether that was because of life or because of academic performance, both students should be assumed to have equal reasoning for dropping a class, one student didn't but the other student did ( we really don't need to go into how terrible life was for me in undergrad, yet I still stuck it out with all my classes).

So, all things being equal, after the last couple of years of students consistently dropping courses, thus inflating their GPAs becasue they just drop all the bad grades as they went along. This means, their GPA is a false representation of their academic performance, so when looking at applications, GPA isn't going to be as highly considered as it once was.

Taking the D means you are a man of higher character (on paper), one that faces ones mistakes instead of hiding them, which, at least on paper, character is a factor in admissions. There is no way to predict what a student would do when they are in school, or, the ultimate goal of schools, when they are an alumni in the world, but, if you are consistently quitting on things in undergrad, for whatever reason, then it doesn't reflect positively on your application.


If you have a bad gpa, or know you will have one, get a great LSAT/GRE score, get some work experience in a similar field and get the best recommendations from the highest authority you can find.


Like I said, I only know law school and what rationale they use in their admission programs, other programs may be different, but law schools don't look to kindly on Ws, despite what all of you PEERS say.

I'm trying to help, as always, dropping a class is not always the best look, in 2014, when everyone has a degree and students can drop their way to a better GPA, schools consider other factors, one of them being character, the ability to handle adversity.

Long story short, drop whatever classes you want, don't make me no nevermind. I'm only here to give advice on the journey I've went through and the experience I've gained, I'm going to be good, this is more for anyone else out there tripping because they have a bad GPA.

While I do not know if taking the bad grade is a good thing or not I was one of those students who withdrew a lot and my advisor told me if I keep withdrawing from classes I will not get a job if I need to submit my transcript. It will reflect I quit when things get tough. I dont know if it proves any points but this is what was told to me.
 
It all depends on the program, but every pharmacy school I applied to had a strict policy of either no Ws or 1 at the most (with legitamate medical excuse only usually). So it depends on where you're applying to, but most of the time u don't wanna have more than 2 classes that are lower than a C+ anyway. Especially if they are core classes.

If I had to rank it from my application process experience it's.....

1. Test Scores (MCAT, PCAT, GRE, LSAT, etc)
2. LORs/Extracurric.
3. GPA
4. Personal Statement
 
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Start school in a couple of weeks.

3rd time is the charm I suppose. I bombed my GREs but my statement of purpose got me in with conditions (Pass next 3 classes w/ B+ average). I still won a scholarship so I'm juiced about that too :hat
 
Im still debating on whether I should go to graduate school. Im going into my last semester this fall for my BA and ive thought about just going straight into grad school. But at this point, im sooooooooooooooooo done with school. Im just ready to not have homework and have to study for tests anymore
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Im only 24 so I have some time to think about it
 
 
Im still debating on whether I should go to graduate school. Im going into my last semester this fall for my BA and ive thought about just going straight into grad school. But at this point, im sooooooooooooooooo done with school. Im just ready to not have homework and have to study for tests anymore
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Im only 24 so I have some time to think about it
I would wait. Get some experience, find out what you really want to do, and have fun. More experience and personal awareness will make you a stronger candidate if/when you decide to further your edumicationsssss.
 
I wouldnt wait, especially if you have no job lined up. I'm the type of person that rather just get everything done right away with no breaks and enjoy life after. Less regrets that way.

Go to grad school, get it done, and reap the benefits by the time you're 26/27 :hat

That HW/tests/presentations is all part of the sacrifice you make to enjoy life more at a younger age.
 
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[COLOR=#red]I'm from the school of getting work experience...it makes all the difference in the world when it comes to getting jobs AFTER grad school. I mean the end game is getting a really great career correct?

This formula right here makes the most competitive candidate...get your Bachelors...hopefully you were mindful enough to obtain internships while you were in school...because if you did your chances of walking into a great job post Bachelors are better...work the job get the experience and build references. Apply to the best Grad schools possible...immediately start looking into internships after acceptance (since you typically only have one summer to work with). Graduate and get your dream job.


My work experience with a combination of my undergrad GPA allows me to be competitive for most schools even with a low GRE (don't follow my thinking, but to me the GRE and most standardized are dumb so I don't even try). Columbia University an Ivy League school was recruiting me hard...even when I told them my GRE sucked the admin counselor told me not to worry because of my all-around profile was impressive, I got accepted in to Texas A&M into two different grad programs with a weak GRE because of my work experience. University of Michigan was set to accept me but I chose to go back to A&M.

All that to say I believe you separate yourself from the pack with work experience. People will make the argument that you'll be younger by going straight through...that don't really matter as much as people think. Don't put an artificial timer on yourself, do what's gonna make the end game better. [/COLOR]
 
I'm from the school of getting work experience...it makes all the difference in the world when it comes to getting jobs AFTER grad school. I mean the end game is getting a really great career correct?

This formula right here makes the most competitive candidate...get your Bachelors...hopefully you were mindful enough to obtain internships while you were in school...because if you did your chances of walking into a great job post Bachelors are better...work the job get the experience and build references. Apply to the best Grad schools possible...immediately start looking into internships after acceptance (since you typically only have one summer to work with). Graduate and get your dream job.


My work experience with a combination of my undergrad GPA allows me to be competitive for most schools even with a low GRE (don't follow my thinking, but to me the GRE and most standardized are dumb so I don't even try). Columbia University an Ivy League school was recruiting me hard...even when I told them my GRE sucked the admin counselor told me not to worry because of my all-around profile was impressive, I got accepted in to Texas A&M into two different grad programs with a weak GRE because of my work experience. University of Michigan was set to accept me but I chose to go back to A&M.

All that to say I believe you separate yourself from the pack with work experience. People will make the argument that you'll be younger by going straight through...that don't really matter as much as people think. Don't put an artificial timer on yourself, do what's gonna make the end game better.
This is the greatest lesson I have learned so far in life
 
It all depends on your field. What place is gonna hire you with just a BA and no experience/internships? He's gonna regret every second if he cant even land a unpaid internship just wasting time away. In which at that point the end game is further away than what he thought it would be.

I have friends with a BS in engineering from top engineer schools that couldnt land a job for almost half a year. They regretted not going to grad school every second they were at home refreshing their emails. They literally looked for any type of experience available. Nothing in NYC. Plus its impossible to make the move with no money.

One is starting school in the fall now and has a commitment from Con Ed (job lined up as soon as he's done with masters), and another has a job lined up as a aeurospace engineer with 10k up front to make the move (not sure of company its in Texas though) with same commitment.

Once again it all depends on your field. Its not easy to get "work experience" as people think it is. But once again it all depends what field you are in :lol
 
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They couldnt land jobs from a top engineering school? They must have messed up somewhere, or NYC just isnt a good place for the field. I know people landing jobs with no experience in the DMV.

If you start your job search early you should be fine. People start looking for jobs after graduation as if one is going to pop up within a month. IMO if you are on your grind in UG you will have an offer before graduation.

I say work and get experience then let your employer pay for your Master's.
 
Yea one is from a top 20 school, the other is from top 60. They had offers to jobs in Kentucky and Ohio, but didnt want to make the move.

NYC is a DEAD END for aerospace engineers though.
 
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They couldnt land jobs from a top engineering school? They must have messed up somewhere, or NYC just isnt a good place for the field. I know people landing jobs with no experience in the DMV.

If you start your job search early you should be fine. People start looking for jobs after graduation as if one is going to pop up within a month. IMO if you are on your grind in UG you will have an offer before graduation.

I say work and get experience then let your employer pay for your Master's.

[COLOR=#red]Beezy is correct...you have people that think that because they are in a good school that the name alone is gonna get them in. It does in a few cases but for the most part you have to put something into it as well.

I graduated from a relatively unknown HBCU in North Carolina...but I was smart enough to hustle and get internships while still in undergrad which allowed me to have offers when I graduated. But see that's from the mentality of no handouts. Now I'm at a Top 2 school for Petroleum Geology that has one of the tightest networks in the nation The Association of Former Students also known as the Aggie Network. We are top 5 in the nation for placing at Fortune 500 corps. That's good and all, but I still hustle as if I'm at a relatively unknown school..because I can't solely depend on others doing for me.

At the end of the day for the most part..irregardless of school attended, the ones who put the most into professional development, networking, and self-merketing will usually be the most successful...and yeah your boys can't complain about not having a job if they didn't want to move.

People ask how I got into the Feds with just a Bachelors, when there are people with Masters Degrees and military experience that can't get in...well it was because I wasn't afraid to move. Right after school I got an internship with the Environmental Protection Agency...while there I networked and met a dude who had connecs...he asked me if I would move to Huntsville AL to work for a defense contractor because his buddy was recruiting...long story short in 3 weeks I relocated to Huntsville and started as a defense contractor...that then led to me going to Iraq with Special Operations, which then led me to getting a job with the Feds as a Fed Gov't employee doing stuff I can't talk about for the rest of my life :lol But all that started because I wasn't afraid to move to a place I've never been for a job.

Like Ace Hood said you gotta Hustle Hard, no excuses. Just imagine where your boys could be career wise had they taken the positions.

Another thing guys, don't be so married to where you are at the time...Ok so there's no place like home, or you may be in the most exciting city (NYC), but sometimes you gotta make that sacrifice and go to a school that's not in your state, or take a job in Bumf***k Tennessee to get your foot in the door. You cannot have everything exactly when you want it...it's too tight out here. That's all I got for now.

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[COLOR=#red]I'm from the school of getting work experience...it makes all the difference in the world when it comes to getting jobs AFTER grad school. I mean the end game is getting a really great career correct?

This formula right here makes the most competitive candidate...get your Bachelors...hopefully you were mindful enough to obtain internships while you were in school...because if you did your chances of walking into a great job post Bachelors are better...work the job get the experience and build references. Apply to the best Grad schools possible...immediately start looking into internships after acceptance (since you typically only have one summer to work with). Graduate and get your dream job.


My work experience with a combination of my undergrad GPA allows me to be competitive for most schools even with a low GRE (don't follow my thinking, but to me the GRE and most standardized are dumb so I don't even try). Columbia University an Ivy League school was recruiting me hard...even when I told them my GRE sucked the admin counselor told me not to worry because of my all-around profile was impressive, I got accepted in to Texas A&M into two different grad programs with a weak GRE because of my work experience. University of Michigan was set to accept me but I chose to go back to A&M.

All that to say I believe you separate yourself from the pack with work experience. People will make the argument that you'll be younger by going straight through...that don't really matter as much as people think. Don't put an artificial timer on yourself, do what's gonna make the end game better. [/COLOR]

See... THIS is interesting...

I've never thought about this... Going get an intern BEFORE graduate school...

Seems like a very good idea... Might be tough though since some folks want you to be in between your program...

I might do this though...
 
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My undergrad major coursework is KILLING my GPA. And I know for sure I wanna go to grad school within a year or so after..

I have a decent amount of experience in the field (2 years and counting) and some internships, but my GPA is dropping despite constant hardwork.

The last report that came out for my school (Spring 2014), the students in my major had an average GPA of 2.54 :x , which was 4th lowest in the university behind 3 engineering fields.

I'm at a 3.25 now, but the deeper I've gone into the coursework, I've started making B's and C's and I feel like it'll kill me when it's time to apply to grad schools.
 
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Beezy is correct...you have people that think that because they are in a good school that the name alone is gonna get them in. It does in a few cases but for the most part you have to put something into it as well.

I graduated from a relatively unknown HBCU in North Carolina...but I was smart enough to hustle and get internships while still in undergrad which allowed me to have offers when I graduated. But see that's from the mentality of no handouts. Now I'm at a Top 2 school for Petroleum Geology that has one of the tightest networks in the nation The Association of Former Students also known as the Aggie Network. We are top 5 in the nation for placing at Fortune 500 corps. That's good and all, but I still hustle as if I'm at a relatively unknown school..because I can't solely depend on others doing for me.

At the end of the day for the most part..irregardless of school attended, the ones who put the most into professional development, networking, and self-merketing will usually be the most successful...and yeah your boys can't complain about not having a job if they didn't want to move.

People ask how I got into the Feds with just a Bachelors, when there are people with Masters Degrees and military experience that can't get in...well it was because I wasn't afraid to move. Right after school I got an internship with the Environmental Protection Agency...while there I networked and met a dude who had connecs...he asked me if I would move to Huntsville AL to work for a defense contractor because his buddy was recruiting...long story short in 3 weeks I relocated to Huntsville and started as a defense contractor...that then led to me going to Iraq with Special Operations, which then led me to getting a job with the Feds as a Fed Gov't employee doing stuff I can't talk about for the rest of my life
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But all that started because I wasn't afraid to move to a place I've never been for a job.

Like Ace Hood said you gotta Hustle Hard, no excuses. Just imagine where your boys could be career wise had they taken the positions.

Another thing guys, don't be so married to where you are at the time...Ok so there's no place like home, or you may be in the most exciting city (NYC), but sometimes you gotta make that sacrifice and go to a school that's not in your state, or take a job in Bumf***k Tennessee to get your foot in the door. You cannot have everything exactly when you want it...it's too tight out here. That's all I got for now.

 
Yeah man I have the same mentality I hustle because nothing is guaranteed I'm not entitled to anything. I'm not afraid to move around and network with people. Currently on internship #3 and can't wait to see what type of offers I will be getting in the upcoming months. I'm really starting to believe it doesn't matter what school you go to in UG. All that matters is your work ethic. 

My boy got into the Feds the same way. He did an internship with DoD in Cali his freshman year, interned with ITT Exelis in Pittsburg his sophomore year , then landed a co-op with the Feds his junior year.

Thats crazy you went to Iraq, how was it over there? I know that overseas money is REAL
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See... THIS is interesting...

I've never thought about this... Going get an intern BEFORE graduate school...

Seems like a very good idea... Might be tough though since some folks want you to be in between your program...

I might do this though...

[COLOR=#red]Yes indeed Font, it can definitely help. You're going to be fine in the business world my dude.

Beezy congrats on the internship bro...they are great resume boosters. We'll talk bro, I was in Montana when we were to talk earlier and our schedule was crazy. But yeah Iraq and Afghanistan was crazy. In Iraq I felt protected because I was with some of the best trained killers on the planet..flying around in blacked out helicopters from place to place and driving bulletproof Suburbans :lol . In Afghanistan it was more intel type stuff.[/COLOR]
 
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Anybody here go to Grambling? I'm thinking between Grambling and University of Alabama now, just have to schedule the GRE/GMAT and get my 3 LOR's. I'll be doing the all online program, but make an effort to still go to campus a few times a month and network, get in the clubs, see the labs, etc.
 
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Thoughts on Getting a MS in one thing to be able to get a GMAT waiver to get into a MBA program later down the road? lol Thinking about getting my MS in IT then getting my MBA later down the line when I see possibility of management, currently have a BA in Info Sys
 
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