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[pretty tony]

Im confused about the end scene. Why would patty's ghost tell Kevin he shouldn't have told Nora about her, when two weeks ago she told him he should have?

 

[aepps20]

This episode was awesome. I love how Nora threw the brick through the window. I think she did it in response to how they treated her brother. I also love how Ericka responded by throwing a brick through their window to get back at Nora for her scumbag behavior.

 

[quise2024]

Gonna put what i think in between your questions with **

why did nora (?) throw the rock thru the window?

** It was Nora but no idea and how Erika knew it was Nora or why she just decided to do it to Nora also dont know. Was kind of random on both their parts

i think when erika told her story, it made nora realize she wished for her family to disappear too

** i dont think Nora wished them away. I could be wrong but in season 1 when they played her back story, the morning of the departures she looked like she was on low sleep her husband dodnt do anything to help with the kids and he was also being a lil *** that morning to. The kids were being loud or something and basically she had had enough when something wasnt right for her huabands breakfast or something. She went to the counter and poof they were gone. And i think it was just that she just wished it were quiet or theyd all be quiet

Thats what i think not 100 though

possessed by the demon azreal tho? 

** yeah this threw me off and we wont get an explanation or more detail on the theory i dont think. But it makes me think about those MIT guys saying its cause geography. Thats bull because when Tom and Jill were at their school or whatever they were in a group circle holding hands and only a few of them disappeared from the circle.

If it were a demon id think they like to screw with people why not make Jill disappear and screw with Kevin vs the neighbor and 2 random girls Nora was never even close to

kevin tellin her about patty? 

is virgil erika's father or johns? 

** i say its johns and that was his attempted murder. Since John is going around beating up people. Its obviously his history and oart of the reason she was leaving him maybe

and was shooting virgil the reason john got charged with attempted murder? 

jill down with the swirl 

** yessir .. but they never did show them go to the fundraiser

tom dipped on his mom tho? 

** at first i thought it would be the time when GR took him but i remembered they did that group therapy with his hugs

maybe the hugs really were a lie and he just wanted to get his mom out of the saving people with lies business

** she really didnt lieabout anything though did she? That hugs bs would have been the lie

i mean it cost that family their lives because they bought into her bs

** that lady did that because she felt no purpose, she was waiting on her husband to be mad at her, and seems like the noisey world go to her vs the GR quiet

at least they finally explained the guy with the goat, the lady in the wedding dress, and erika with the birds 

** yeah im actually suprised we got explanation on that

now all we to know is why evie runs naked thru the woods

"jarden" of eden   wonder what the significance is

wonder if the scientists will try to come back 

great ep all things considered 

What im kinda confused with is Erika tells all that stuff about her grandmother n her beliefs but then she was preaching in the fundraiser like she doesnt believe in faith type of stuff. Or I guess what you could consider the goat and dress lady as superstition.

But then she starts talking about the bird she buried and the "wish" of keeping Evie safe like she believes in something.

But then she has like 5 dead burds out there in the woods now vs EP1 there was only 1 bird, just in the box and it flew away lol.

Nora asked those DSD questions so much she had them memorized and she wasnt reading what was really on the paper. She hesitated a couple of times asking them. I would think with all the new studies theyve done on departures the questions would have changed.

I was like damn why she got all this money hidden with her hearing aid batteries

Im confused about the end scene. Why would patty's ghost tell Kevin he shouldn't have told Nora about her, when two weeks ago she told him he should have?

2 weeks ago Nora was a different person and prob wpuld have just brushed it off like everything else. Now, shes in a different state of mind with herself, her family, and whats going on in Jarden so Kevin telling her he's crazy and "seeing someone" (why he worded it like that idk made it seem like he was cheatin on her) just makes her feel prob even more unsure of things

 

[quise2024]

This weeks episode even started off perfect with Nora in them shorts and tank

 

[pretty tony]

Gonna put what i think in between your questions with **
What im kinda confused with is Erika tells all that stuff about her grandmother n her beliefs but then she was preaching in the fundraiser like she doesnt believe in faith type of stuff. Or I guess what you could consider the goat and dress lady as superstition.

But then she starts talking about the bird she buried and the "wish" of keeping Evie safe like she believes in something.

But then she has like 5 dead burds out there in the woods now vs EP1 there was only 1 bird, just in the box and it flew away lol.

Nora asked those DSD questions so much she had them memorized and she wasnt reading what was really on the paper. She hesitated a couple of times asking them. I would think with all the new studies theyve done on departures the questions would have changed.

I was like damn why she got all this money hidden with her hearing aid batteries
2 weeks ago Nora was a different person and prob wpuld have just brushed it off like everything else. Now, shes in a different state of mind with herself, her family, and whats going on in Jarden so Kevin telling her he's crazy and "seeing someone" (why he worded it like that idk made it seem like he was cheatin on her) just makes her feel prob even more unsure of things

I get that. But I'm asking about why patty tells Kevin that he shouldn't have told her...after telling him he should have told his family in an earlier episode.

 

[quise2024]

I get that. But I'm asking about why patty tells Kevin that he shouldn't have told her...after telling him he should have told his family in an earlier episode.

Yeah thats why i think she is saying that because Nora is unstble now herself.

From Patti's perspective she can basically see what everyones state of mind and view is. So Nora was just so forgiving in EP2 when they showed them moving to Jarden. Kevin confessed his sleep walking n not taking his pills, being there when Patti killer herself and then burying the body with Matt .. well he shouldve just went ahead n said he talks to himself (Patti) like his crazy father, who got to meet Nora while Kevin was out somewhere.


I mean i dont have the answers lol i know you know that but its just my take on it.

Think about it say you and your girl are happy going good things are great and you wrecked her car when someone hit you. She may be mad but she not blaming you for it.

If yall been arguing the past week or something, she on period, or the realtionship is almost over and you wreck the car from someone hitting .. she liable to snap and blame your driving


Prob bad analogy but yeah Nora is about to lose it I think. She moved to Jarden to basically forget what happened to her family and feel "safe" but now a scientist comes n tells her Evie is gone because her, a lady calls and basically blames Nora, shea reminded about her kids being gone, Kevin isnt exactly what she thought he was, shes realizing Jarden isnt all that safe/special

 

[hand2handking]

what if patti is the demon azrael? 

and its not nora, but kevin who caused evie's "departure"?

 

[Master Zik]

I liked the Pastor L ep better than this recent one. That had him back to his old can't get right ways. Everybody looking at him like he's a rapist. Taking advantage of his good nature, etc.

This ep just left me feeling like they on some bull ****. First they came with science which I thought makes sense then they start talking about the demon Azrael Like if Lindelof just pushes more of his light religious supernatural **** again I'll bail. Besides if they going down that route might as well just wait for the Anti-Christ and Jesus to show up.

@ Jerry the goat sacrificer though. That **** is hilarious.

Erica's rant was on point. (When did yall decide it was Erica with a "k" or did yall see her name spelled that way somewhere?)

Great convo at the end after the boring questions. Explained a lot of what we saw in the 1st ep. Also good to hear Nora being logical and reasonable about this. Hope it helps with her fears.

@ throwing the rock back through the window.

Nora was looking good this ep though as usual

 

[quise2024]

The show is based off supernatural/religious/faith/beliefs though .. what else would explain season 1 intro, the hugs, disappearing of millions

You havent bailed yet though


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[pretty tony]

I liked the Pastor L ep better than this recent one. That had him back to his old can't get right ways. Everybody looking at him like he's a rapist. Taking advantage of his good nature, etc.

This ep just left me feeling like they on some bull ****. First they came with science which I thought makes sense then they start talking about the demon Azrael Like if Lindelof just pushes more of his light religious supernatural **** again I'll bail. Besides if they going down that route might as well just wait for the Anti-Christ and Jesus to show up.

@ Jerry the goat sacrificer though. That **** is hilarious.

Erica's rant was on point. (When did yall decide it was Erica with a "k" or did yall see her name spelled that way somewhere?)

Great convo at the end after the boring questions. Explained a lot of what we saw in the 1st ep. Also good to hear Nora being logical and reasonable about this. Hope it helps with her fears.

@ throwing the rock back through the window.

Nora was looking good this ep though as usual

Isn't the whole premise of the show based on a religious concept?

 

[quise2024]

what if patti is the demon azrael? 

and its not nora, but kevin who caused evie's "departure"?

Im thinking its more of the lens theory vs the demon.

Lens would make more sense with it meaning you intensify the likelihood of others disappearing. Nora = her family, Kevin = ole girl he was bangin, Laurie = her baby, lady in opening scene = her baby (maybe a stretch there)

Idk tho




I did find this in an article to be interesting


"In the 1907 work Folk-lore Of The Holy Land: Moslem, Christian, and Jewish by J.E. Hanauer (a cleric at St. George's Cathedral in Jerusalem), a parable tells of a man addicted to gambling who makes a deal with Jesus to keep Azrael at bay. The story ends with the man being refused entry into Heaven and taken down to Hell where, after beating Satan at cards, he is given the opportunity to repent to Jesus and finally allowed into Heaven. What does this have to do with Nora Durst and lenses? Maybe nothing. But, the story does bear some striking similarities to her brother, Matt Jamison — who we saw gamble with his fortune in Season 1, and then be denied entry into Miracle in Season 2, after which he descended into the hellish camp on the town's outskirts to seek repentance."

 

[Master Zik]

I liked the Pastor L ep better than this recent one. That had him back to his old can't get right ways. Everybody looking at him like he's a rapist. Taking advantage of his good nature, etc.

This ep just left me feeling like they on some bull ****. First they came with science which I thought makes sense then they start talking about the demon Azrael Like if Lindelof just pushes more of his light religious supernatural **** again I'll bail. Besides if they going down that route might as well just wait for the Anti-Christ and Jesus to show up.

@ Jerry the goat sacrificer though. That **** is hilarious.

Erica's rant was on point. (When did yall decide it was Erica with a "k" or did yall see her name spelled that way somewhere?)

Great convo at the end after the boring questions. Explained a lot of what we saw in the 1st ep. Also good to hear Nora being logical and reasonable about this. Hope it helps with her fears.

@ throwing the rock back through the window.

Nora was looking good this ep though as usual

Isn't the whole premise of the show based on a religious concept?

Allegedly.

I know it's based off a book and that's more about how the ppl reacted to this event than the event itself.

The show is based off supernatural/religious/faith/beliefs though .. what else would explain season 1 intro, the hugs, disappearing of millions

You havent bailed yet though

Yeah which has always been presented to us in the vaguest ways to make us question whether there was actually any supernatural stuff actually happening. That's what I like.

If the show was outright saying what happened was definitely the rapture and this story takes place during the end days I'd probably not be interested.

Nora's reaction to a doctor saying Azrael possessing her body and using her as some weapon to depart ppl was my reaction. It's laughably stupid. Absurdly ridiculous. It'd also probably be any other reasonable person's reaction. She starts off inquisitive and curious cuz she thought it was real science to it but then she realized this "doctor" is just a crazy person just like she figured the dude was a nut.

It's just like how she was interested with those MIT ppl that bought her house who told her the departures might be location based. That little side hunt for answers is interesting to me and I know it'll probably not go anywhere but making it an option is enough to me. The way I see it right now what caused the departures is an unknown phenomena. I won't label it supernatural or some event that science could figure out. I'd like for the hugs and other weird **** like the town to be supernatural but not religious in any shape or form. I see the religious stuff on this show to be more of a crutch than in real life with some characters.

I haven't bailed cuz the show has managed to combine a good deal of piquing my curiosity, being interesting while being so indirect and confusing. The very good writing and strong acting keeps me around. Plus the soundtrack It's still love hate but I've gotten use to it. If they stray in to an area I don't like I'll just dip. I'm not worried though.

But anyway this is the show that is purposely not clear and won't give answers so I'm not sure why yall would run with this demon stuff anyway Last thing I want to see is this end up to be a LOST or somehow worse S1 True Detective type thread where dudes go crazy hunting for clues that aren't here and answers they'll never get.

 

[hand2handking]

is it oochie wally or one mic?

supernatural or scientific which way you want it?

 

[Master Zik]

I just explained what I like about the show. If you can't read that post and get a clear answer ask yourself do you really care and if it's really worth it.

 

[hand2handking]

im jus sayin u think the demon story is caca but u liked the geography based version

its not really worth it but different opinions on a show like this could be interesting

 

[quise2024]

Lets not do the arguing again

 

[Master Zik]

im jus sayin u think the demon story is caca but u liked the geography based version

its not really worth it but different opinions on a show like this could be interesting

The geography theory sounded like a scientific based approach from those MIT guys.

Even the lens theory sounded science based. Then the lady started talking about Azrael Like I said Nora's reaction to that was mine.

The supernatural stuff I liked was the hugging your pain away stuff. I even liked the discussion on whether it was real or not cuz so far in the show it can go either way. I even liked Erica's little story about the bird in the box and making a wish and then her daughter disappears coincidence stuff.

Directly tying this stuff to any specific religion is something I'll just balk at though.

Hope that was clearer.

 

[Brownstone]

What you guys think happened to Tom?

 

[quise2024]

Knowing him went back to the GR or just bounced

 

[aepps20]

Maybe he's off carrying Wayne's torch?

 

[Master Zik]

What you guys think happened to Tom?

Made me think the attempt at a hug cult failed. Last ep he was in made me think he was gonna try and make it work with his mom with w/e they were gonna start but maybe he didn't buy in to his own bull ****.

The thing about that Nora and Laurie scene though is it felt like a whole lot more time passed for her. A few eps ago when it focused on her they showed how it interconnected with ep 2 when Kev took the fam to Tx. The scene here made it look like she was lost and they had some sort of failure and Tom just left.

They're doing their best there to make that subplot interesting. I didn't watch the preview for the entire season so I don't even know if they eventually show up in Jarden too.

 

[youngwolf]

What if John and his buddies aren't just a local thing, but a small piece of a larger, more national (maybe even global) effort to harm those that seek to profit off of the departure. They could be the same ones that went after Wayne, and could be the reason behind Tom running off.

 

[Master Zik]

That could be interesting but then I guess they'd have to be a bit of a secret org cuz I'm pretty sure the ppl that went after Wayne and eventually killed him were government.

 

[quise2024]

The Feds killed Wayne. John n his fire buddies are just local bullies

 

[youngwolf]

Just rewatched the death scene. Yeah, I completely forgot that the authorities came in afterwards and questioned Kevin.