Originally Posted by Biggie62
They're just lazy - why should we have to pay for them because they can't go get a job and get their own healthcare?
It's this mentality of "I" work so hard to make that 6-7 figure income so why should "I" have to pay more taxes to support these hood rats with 5 kids whom smooch off the government.
I'd like to say it was just those rich people who were holding this back from happening, but what's actually happened in this country is this rich guyshave convinced the middle and lower classes that this plan is evil because of the world "socialism" - now you've got ******s in the streetsprotesting against their own best interests, not realizing they've been completely played.
Rich guys I can understand not wanting this to go through.. their wealth depends on other people's poverty. They will do whatever they can to keep thepoor down.
But the middle class has somehow been convinced they are closer to the rich than the poor... which is just stupid, the rich are trying to eliminate the middle,too... and it ain't by making them part of the rich.
Originally Posted by Craftsy21
Originally Posted by Biggie62
They're just lazy - why should we have to pay for them because they can't go get a job and get their own healthcare?
Really? So myself being a full time student who has a part time job that doesn't provide me with healthcare. Yet I make too much to qualify for cheap 3rd party care and it's too expensive to get the one I'm offered. And my mom can't put me under her plan yet I'm a dependent under her is too lazy? Well honestly you need to shut up and stop talking. Stop putting people who don't have healthcare in the group that is too lazy. Because there are plenty of people like me who work hard but can't get AFFORDABLE care. Key word is AFFORDABLE if you can't read or need it capitalized because you can't pick out the important words in a sentence.
BTW I really hate wishing bad things upon people but I'd love to see someone close to you who doesn't have healthcare get some terminal disease that can be treated so that the person can be denied insurance because it's a pre-existing condition. Our healthcare system is flawed right now. Accept it. We should adopt either a Japanese, English, or French system. But then again we have all these capitalists who think socialism will bring on the USSR to the United States right? Yet we have socialistic systems already set up.
Originally Posted by Biggie62
They're just lazy - why should we have to pay for them because they can't go get a job and get their own healthcare?
Originally Posted by J Burner
Originally Posted by Biggie62
They're just lazy - why should we have to pay for them because they can't go get a job and get their own healthcare?
Really? So myself being a full time student who has a part time job that doesn't provide me with healthcare. Yet I make too much to qualify for cheap 3rd party care and it's too expensive to get the one I'm offered. And my mom can't put me under her plan yet I'm a dependent under her is too lazy? Well honestly you need to shut up and stop talking. Stop putting people who don't have healthcare in the group that is too lazy. Because there are plenty of people like me who work hard but can't get AFFORDABLE care. Key word is AFFORDABLE if you can't read or need it capitalized because you can't pick out the important words in a sentence.
BTW I really hate wishing bad things upon people but I'd love to see someone close to you who doesn't have healthcare get some terminal disease that can be treated so that the person can be denied insurance because it's a pre-existing condition. Our healthcare system is flawed right now. Accept it. We should adopt either a Japanese, English, or French system. But then again we have all these capitalists who think socialism will bring on the USSR to the United States right? Yet we have socialistic systems already set up.
Funny how the legislation doesn't seem to reflect that statement, go figure...I mean, there is no way a politician could say one thing and do another, that NEVER happens, forgive me. So, you want me to pay for my own private healthcare, AND your public plan? So you want me to pay twice for my own healthcare?
Originally Posted by Craftsy21
Cool, i can play this game too OP.
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[h1]The failure of U.S. healthcare[/h1]
February 28, 2009 in Medical Industrial Complex, Myths & Truths | 2 comments
The U.S. spent 16 percent of its Gross Domestic Product (GDP) - a cool $2 trillion - on health care in 2005.[sup]1[/sup] Considering this enormous expenditure, we should have the best medicine in the world. We should be reversing disease, preventing disease, and doing minimal harm. However, careful and objective review shows the opposite.
The U.S. ranks just 34th in the world in life expectancy and 29th for infant mortality. Of 13 countries in a recent comparison, the United States ranks an average of 12th (second from bottom) for 16 available health indicators.[sup]2[/sup]
40 million people in this country do not have health insurance. The exorbitant cost of health care seems to be tolerated based on the assumption that better health results from more expensive care, despite studies that as many as 20% to 30% of patients receive contraindicated care.[sup]3[/sup]
Even worse, a recent study by Dr. Barbara Starfield published in 2000 in the prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association demonstrated that iatrogenic incidents (events caused by medical intervention) are the 3rd leading cause of death in this country, causing more than 250,000 deaths per year. Only heart disease and cancer kill more people.
Dr. Starfield estimates that, each year, medical errors and adverse effects of the health care system are responsible for:
As grim as they are, these statistics are likely to be seriously underestimated as only about 5 to 20% of iatrogenic incidents are even recorded[sup]4[/sup], and outpatient iatrogenic statistics only include drug-related events and not surgical cases, diagnostic errors, or therapeutic mishaps[sup]5[/sup] . Other analyses which have taken these oversights into consideration estimate that medical care is in fact the leading cause of death in the U.S. each year.
- 116 million extra physician visits
- 77 million extra prescriptions
- 17 million emergency department visits
- 8 million hospitalizations
- 3 million long-term admissions
- 199,000 additional deaths
- $77 billion in extra costs
Starfield believes that a major contributor to the poor performance of the United States on health indicators is the high degree of income inequality in this country. Countless studies in the medical literature document the adverse effects of low socioeconomic position on health. New research suggests the adverse effects not only of low social position but, especially, low relative social position in industrialized countries.[sup]6[/sup]
Perhaps the words "health care" have given us the illusion that medicine is about health. In fact, western medicine is not a purveyor of healthcare but of disease-care. When the number one killer in a society is the health care system, that system has no excuse except to address its own urgent shortcomings. Unfortunately, until this happens partaking in allopathic medicine itself is one of the highest causes of death as well as one of the most expensive ways to die.
