HOUSTON ROCKETS Thread '14/'15 - Offseason - Picks (+ Jason Terry)

[markangelo]

Harden needs to start playing D before he can say that.. Dwight pretty much carried us in the playoffs 

 

[polosanddunks]

why would he make those comments . Relax man you still havent made it out the 1st round and you play no D.

its already looking bad for this next season

 

[Peep Game]

I would agree about Harden laying off on his comments had Parsons not already been talking reckless and acting very delusional before Harden even said that. Harden could've called him a **** boy and I wouldnt have a problem at this point.

 

[bonafide hustla]

Rockets fans getting fickle on Harden in here (and everywhere) only talking about his playoff performances. Dude's 25, only had the keys to this ship for 2 years. (1 with a formidable team) and is a top 5 scorer in the NBA. He sees the best defender a team has every night. there is no Rockets success without Harden. and he's really our primary facilitator and play initiator. Dwight does not eat at the rate he does without Harden. I think a lot of people's qualms should be with McHale and his lack of structured offense or defense. Harden could benefit from structure and not just getting left on an island against one of the better perimeter defenders out there (Wes Matthews). Dwight was working out Robin Lopez.

 

[mrnappy]

Rockets fans getting fickle on Harden in here (and everywhere) only talking about his playoff performances. Dude's 25, only had the keys to this ship for 2 years. (1 with a formidable team) and is a top 5 scorer in the NBA. He sees the best defender a team has every night. there is no Rockets success without Harden. and he's really our primary facilitator and play initiator. Dwight does not eat at the rate he does without Harden. I think a lot of people's qualms should be with McHale and his lack of structured offense or defense. Harden could benefit from structure and not just getting left on an island against one of the better perimeter defenders out there (Wes Matthews). Dwight was working out Robin Lopez.

But where is his defense tho that's what wins games if you ever played basketball you know that.We all know coach McFail needs the boot out of here he sucks and the way he pushed out Lin is just awful letting good players ride the bench is just wrong. He failed with the great team he had in the Timberwolves and now we are wishing the team could get it right i felt pretty bad for Parson he was #$^k no doubt about you want your coaching staff to have faith in you and they didn't. Morey did not win in this deal it was awful Ariza is not the answer this team was almost there now its so far down the road. Dwight well get pissed off soon or later and want out of the city cause We dropped the ball we are gone to fade out

 

 

[bonafide hustla]

^ fam, you sound like you're in total distress. all over the place, . i understand you want that old thing back. i do too.

His defense is obviously a liability, but it is primarily compounded by the fact our team has no defensive scheme or plan. there have been plenty of stars who have been defensive liabilities or just not very good defensively but their defensive scheme hides them and puts them in a position to be productive still. Steve Nash, early KD, Allen Iverson, Melo, Dirk Nowitski, Kevin Love, etc.

We have Dwight to funnel to, yet we have no scheme to take advantage. Dwight is eating off pure talent and manchild ability alone. Also, getting lost in the context of this conversation is the fact that we usually have some sort of liability at the 4 position, hence the swing for Bosh/Melo.

Also, Morey swung for the fences to get a 3rd star instead of a role player. and had a really good shot. we were the youngest playoff team and 4th seed in the west. if any team has a year to take that swing, it's the Rockets. I'm convinced the big picture dynamics of basketball arent really sinking in with Rockets fans.

Also, Jeremy Lin is nothing more than a role player on a contending team. He played exactly the amount of minutes he should this season. We had a ton of role players going 8,9,10 deep into our bench that should have seen more minutes though

Also, I side with the Rockets staff for having more faith in Melo/Bosh as a 3rd piece to a team over Parsons. They're better...or nah?

 

[bravo]

Steve Nash, early KD, Allen Iverson, Melo, Dirk Nowitski, Kevin Love, etc.
 

Nash - uptempo offense, ball distributor, shawn marion was an elite wing defender... and most importantly never left SHOOTING GUARDS wide open.

KD - he was a kid..  Harden is not..

AI - never have i heard such blasphemy

Melo -  Thank God he didn't come to Houston.  The lack of defense between him and harden would hurt my brain.

Dirk - Tyson Chandler cleaned up his mess

Kevin Love - true and thats why he never could make it to the playoffs as the franchise player.... Ill give him the benefit of the doubt, i can't say he doesn't try..  

 

[bonafide hustla]

Nash - uptempo offense, ball distributor, shawn marion was an elite wing defender... and most importantly never left SHOOTING GUARDS wide open.

KD - he was a kid..  Harden is not..

AI - never have i heard such blasphemy

Melo -  Thank God he didn't come to Houston.  The lack of defense between him and harden would hurt my brain.

Dirk - Tyson Chandler cleaned up his mess

Kevin Love - true and thats why he never could make it to the playoffs as the franchise player.... Ill give him the benefit of the doubt, i can't say he doesn't try..  

-Nash never guarded a shooting guard in his life, he got raped by point guards, apples and oranges. he was a liability. also, this uptemp offense and ball distributor sounds like a certain team and certain player we happen to be talking about now, ha

-KD was a starter/star since he came into the league. James was a 6th man. James is still only 25 and only had the reigns for 2 years.

-Melo will eat in a system that instills defense, and he would be an elite scorer in this league for the Rockets.

-Dirk - exactly my point, Mavs had a great defensive scheme, not just Tyson. Dirk found ways to be productive on defense (rebounding, altering a few shots, closing/funnelling) ....and we have Dwight, so we should be able to do the same.

-Love- like Melo, put him on a system that instills a defensive scheme and he will eat. rebounds is a part of defense too. but he'd be more productive in other areas (steals/blocks) with a paint protector next to him.

 

[polosanddunks]

Good points made.

But we are def gonna see what type of caliber player or potential Harden is this next post season.No more excuses especially with him talking this much.

 

[champcruthik]

How much better can Terrence Jones get offensively? I like comparing him to Josh Smith. In Smith's Atlanta prime, he was averaging nearly 19 PPG and 10 RPG. I could honestly see Jones matching that this season or next.

 

[bravo]

BF, i see you left AI out haha..  respect tho.

all I'm saying is that, Harden lacks effort.  melo lacks effort.. 

nash, dirk and love do not.

 

[polosanddunks]

How much better can Terrence Jones get offensively? I like comparing him to Josh Smith. In Smith's Atlanta prime, he was averaging nearly 19 PPG and 10 RPG. I could honestly see Jones matching that this season or next.

The potential is there.just wish he could grow lol

 

[bonafide hustla]

BF, i see you left AI out haha..  respect tho.


all I'm saying is that, Harden lacks effort.  melo lacks effort.. 
nash, dirk and love do not.

haa, i simply forgot ai fam. all those years he "carried" those philly teams were years where larry brown, dikembe, and the rest of those philly guys were elite defensively. ai would constantly get raped in man defense. but their scheme hid him and he was able to gamble gamble gamble all game long. effectively.

harden does the same thing, but with no type of plan in mind. he leaves his man to gamble the lanes all game. the difference is NONE of the rockets are compensating for it. half the time our guys are out there running into each other on screens, two dudes closing out on the same guy, or neither. just looking like they're running around out there on defense. communication is key, but you have to practice it and instill it. its super obvious watching them that they don't.

 

[bonafide hustla]

Good points made.

But we are def gonna see what type of caliber player or potential Harden is this next post season.No more excuses especially with him talking this much.

not to sound like i particularly disagree, but what we need to see is growth and specifically addressing the holes in his game. how is the potential not obvious already? Fam is a 25 year old 1st team all nba'er that is like top 5 in scoring….

 

[pums]

How much better can Terrence Jones get offensively? I like comparing him to Josh Smith. In Smith's Atlanta prime, he was averaging nearly 19 PPG and 10 RPG. I could honestly see Jones matching that this season or next.

Undersized not as athletic as Josh and doesn't have that strong body to check the Blakes and the Zbos of the West doesn't block shots better jumpshooter than Josh already and a great positional ball handler i just don't see that immense potential to be an above average starter for a playoff team from him hopefully i'm wrong he's got that tweener size.

Also dude is a complete A-hole as a die hard houston fan i've talked to a couple players past and present Harden ,D-MO ,Canaan , Greg Smith Dwight when he was in orlando shot some hoops with dad too gave me an signed mini poster also my bro spoke to T-mac like everyday at the gym before for like 2 weeks said he was a stand up guy but TJ takes the cake as being the only NBA player who turned out to be a real AHole.

 

[pums]

Also Harden's Defense like previously stated is all about his effort and maybe his conditioning has to do with it but in OKC he actually cared about playing defense and not losing sight of your man he wasn't a lock down defender by any means tho. I have enough faith he'll eventually get it eventually.

 

[Peep Game]

TJones stomped a homeless man, of course he's an Ahole

Also Harden's Defense like previously stated is all about his effort and maybe his conditioning has to do with it but in OKC he actually cared about playing defense and not losing sight of your man he wasn't a lock down defender by any means tho. I have enough faith he'll eventually get it eventually.

I find it comical that Harden is a more than solid post defender. He's strong as a bull, but it's a 180 anywhere else. I get irked so much when he does that swipe when he gets blown by, rarely being successful going for the strip like that

 

[rosegoldsluggs]

Harden is capable of holding his own weight on defense thats what makes me 

 during games lol

its not like he doesnt have the tools or isnt athletic enough its none of that just strictly effort

Hes shown some flashes of trying before and our team was flourishing on both ends 

It also has to do with his mindset and how he approaches it.

I saw an interview where he was saying he wanted to improve his mindset in games and be more focused 

hopefully he shows sum this season

 

[champcruthik]

Undersized not as athletic as Josh and doesn't have that strong body to check the Blakes and the Zbos of the West doesn't block shots better jumpshooter than Josh already and a great positional ball handler i just don't see that immense potential to be an above average starter for a playoff team from him hopefully i'm wrong he's got that tweener size.

Also dude is a complete A-hole as a die hard houston fan i've talked to a couple players past and present Harden ,D-MO ,Canaan , Greg Smith Dwight when he was in orlando shot some hoops with dad too gave me an signed mini poster also my bro spoke to T-mac like everyday at the gym before for like 2 weeks said he was a stand up guy but TJ takes the cake as being the only NBA player who turned out to be a real AHole.

I know body types can be deceiving, but Jones is technically bigger and weighs more than Smith. Terrence doesn't play as angry or rough as MKG, but he's not a pushover either.

 

[markangelo]

I know body types can be deceiving, but Jones is technically bigger and weighs more than Smith. Terrence doesn't play as angry or rough as MKG, but he's not a pushover either.

This.. Tjones will stomp on ya 

 

[do work son]

Undersized not as athletic as Josh and doesn't have that strong body to check the Blakes and the Zbos of the West doesn't block shots better jumpshooter than Josh already and a great positional ball handler i just don't see that immense potential to be an above average starter for a playoff team from him hopefully i'm wrong he's got that tweener size.

Also dude is a complete A-hole as a die hard houston fan i've talked to a couple players past and present Harden ,D-MO ,Canaan , Greg Smith Dwight when he was in orlando shot some hoops with dad too gave me an signed mini poster also my bro spoke to T-mac like everyday at the gym before for like 2 weeks said he was a stand up guy but TJ takes the cake as being the only NBA player who turned out to be a real AHole.

I know body types can be deceiving, but Jones is technically bigger and weighs more than Smith. Terrence doesn't play as angry or rough as MKG, but he's not a pushover either.

no, actually he is a pushover

PFs vs the rockets this year

kevin love 29 and 10
dirk 32 and 9
LMA 27 and 16 and you watched the playoffs

i could go further, but the point is t jones gets slow roasted by these guys. he just doesn't have the physicality in him yet to be effective in 1 on 1 defense

 

[polosanddunks]

you guys are right he doesnt have the physical aspect maybe and guys like LMA will laugh and shoot literally over his head all game

 

[champcruthik]

no, actually he is a pushover

PFs vs the rockets this year

kevin love 29 and 10
dirk 32 and 9
LMA 27 and 16 and you watched the playoffs

i could go further, but the point is t jones gets slow roasted by these guys. he just doesn't have the physicality in him yet to be effective in 1 on 1 defense

Man, I'm sure you watch every game. That surprises me, he looked good to me in spurts offensively and defensively. Jones was more than solid on D at Kentucky under Cal. On-the-ball and with weak side help defense.

 

[bonafide hustla]

T Jones is just too short/un-athletic to defend PFs. Not to say he has no athleticism. But his athleticism is displayed moreso in spurts. I guess that'd be explosive if anything? He doesnt have that fast twitch ability to help him react as a defender. Dude is kinda lumbering in that aspect, but still skilled. He's a unique talent, but it's obvious to me personally that he'll never be able to give an elite offender or solid big any problems, playing defense on them :\

on another note:

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[Peep Game]

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