I never Knew so many people were against Affirmative Action...

[38816]

Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

again I ask...

Jim Crow laws were ended in 1965.. compare that to the birth of our nation..1776...that's pretty much 190 years of racial discrimination.

I'm wholly in support of AA... but I'd say to those people who oppose it......why not keep AA for 190 years AFTER the repeal of Jim Crow laws?... so that's in 2155.

wouldn't that be somewhat fair?
naw, fair would be legislating jim crow laws for whites, actually.

but, considering that won't EVER happen...

i guess this is a consolation....

 

[moonmaster3]

Originally Posted by eNPHAN

Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

again I ask...

Jim Crow laws were ended in 1965.. compare that to the birth of our nation..1776...that's pretty much 190 years of racial discrimination.

I'm wholly in support of AA... but I'd say to those people who oppose it......why not keep AA for 190 years AFTER the repeal of Jim Crow laws?... so that's in 2155.

wouldn't that be somewhat fair?

naw, fair would be legislating jim crow laws for whites, actually.

but, considering that won't EVER happen...

i guess this is a consolation....






Yeah, Jim Crow for whites, that'll show 'em.

 

[38816]

Originally Posted by moonmaster3

Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

again I ask...

Jim Crow laws were ended in 1965.. compare that to the birth of our nation..1776...that's pretty much 190 years of racial discrimination.

I'm wholly in support of AA... but I'd say to those people who oppose it......why not keep AA for 190 years AFTER the repeal of Jim Crow laws?... so that's in 2155.

wouldn't that be somewhat fair?

You'd be crazy to think they would ever let go of this crutch.

, you'd be surprised...

although it took over 200 years, whites eventually let go of the slavery crutch....

but only to use the systematic oppression crutch for a couple hundred more years....

now, without those crutches, they sound a lot like your boy emmanuel...

"i get discriminated against all the time for being a white male!"

 

[icup]

again I ask...

Jim Crow laws were ended in 1965.. compare that to the birth of our nation..1776...that's pretty much 190 years of racial discrimination.

I'm wholly in support of AA... but I'd say to those people who oppose it......why not keep AA for 190 years AFTER the repeal of Jim Crow laws?... so that's in 2155.


wouldn't that be somewhat fair?
Technically it wouldn't be fair, because as a result of Jim Crow laws, black people and minorities were denied upward financial mobility. Theequivalent would be to deny white people upward financial mobility until 2155. That means no access to education, jobs, or land. But in this society, wecannot do that.

However, the most fair thing I would say is give all minorities (regardless of economic status) free college, graduate, and post graduate educations two-threegenerations (until 2065) coupled with AA and see where we are then.

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by eNPHAN

Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

again I ask...

Jim Crow laws were ended in 1965.. compare that to the birth of our nation..1776...that's pretty much 190 years of racial discrimination.

I'm wholly in support of AA... but I'd say to those people who oppose it......why not keep AA for 190 years AFTER the repeal of Jim Crow laws?... so that's in 2155.

wouldn't that be somewhat fair?

naw, fair would be legislating jim crow laws for whites, actually.

but, considering that won't EVER happen...

i guess this is a consolation....




that is way too much. What whites did to every race in this country is f'd up and still lingers today, still done today and more widespreadthan many whites think. But Jim Crow against whites wouldn't solve anything it would make hate worse, and would be a million times counterproductive.

People like Fede, Emmanuel, and TBone just won't understand and never will. Fede even grew up in it and still doesn't understand.

 

[emmanuel goldstein]

Originally Posted by ICUP

Like Essential1 said you was mad average and then you had to step your game up.

so a 3.8 and 1260 is average? where you from homie? this is out of theold sat, 1600 ...

 

[dirtylicious]

that's asking way too much though... and would cost billions
what you need to do is make AA as palatable as possible to those against it.

 

[38816]

Originally Posted by moonmaster3

Originally Posted by eNPHAN

Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

again I ask...

Jim Crow laws were ended in 1965.. compare that to the birth of our nation..1776...that's pretty much 190 years of racial discrimination.

I'm wholly in support of AA... but I'd say to those people who oppose it......why not keep AA for 190 years AFTER the repeal of Jim Crow laws?... so that's in 2155.

wouldn't that be somewhat fair?

naw, fair would be legislating jim crow laws for whites, actually.

but, considering that won't EVER happen...

i guess this is a consolation....

Yeah, Jim Crow for whites, that'll show 'em.
he asked what "fair" would be...

and yes, it would "show" them...

i'm confident all this 'get over it' talk would dissipate instantly...in addition to masses of white people finally gaining perspective.....

like i said, now that the "playing field" is becoming more and more even, you got white males claiming that they're being discriminated againstdue to the fact that the preferential treatment is starting to fade away...

no, you're just being treated like everyone else has been the entire time...

 

[icup]

Originally Posted by ICUP

Like Essential1 said you was mad average and then you had to step your game up.

so a 3.8 and 1260 is average? where you from homie? this is out of the old sat, 1600 ...
It really depends on what school you trying to get in. A 3.8 and 1260 is less than average at Harvard. What school were you trying to get into.

that's asking way too much though... and would cost billions
what you need to do is make AA as palatable as possible to those against it.
Yeah, but it would be more fair than just AA. AA isn't the equivalent of Jim Crow laws. Moreover, minorities have lost billions from JimCrow laws.

 

[essential1]

tbh I really don't think it will ever be solved.. Unfortunately.

 

[dirtylicious]

Originally Posted by Emmanuel Goldstein

Originally Posted by ICUP

Like Essential1 said you was mad average and then you had to step your game up.

so a 3.8 and 1260 is average? where you from homie? this is out of the old sat, 1600 ...

I'm from that era.
that's average to me
Top tier schools were looking for 1400 and above.

 

[moonmaster3]

Originally Posted by Emmanuel Goldstein

Originally Posted by ICUP

Like Essential1 said you was mad average and then you had to step your game up.

so a 3.8 and 1260 is average? where you from homie? this is out of the old sat, 1600 ...

If you were black that'd be more than enough for a top tier school.

 

[emmanuel goldstein]

Originally Posted by ICUP

It really depends on what school you trying to get in. A 3.8 and 1260 is less than average at Harvard. What school were you trying to get into.

i didnt try to get in anywhere, i got into the Univerisity of Maryland ...

like i said, now that the "playing field" is becoming more and more even, you got white males claiming that they're being discriminated against due to the fact that the preferential treatment is starting to fade away...

as ive stated before, ive won a case against my previous employer for racial and unjust discrimination ... im only speaking on my experiences ...i grew up in a not so affluent area and have friends that had the same opportunities i had and didnt make it because they were lazy, not because they wereblack ...

 

[dirtylicious]

Originally Posted by ICUP

that's asking way too much though... and would cost billions
what you need to do is make AA as palatable as possible to those against it.

Yeah, but it would be more fair than just AA. AA isn't the equivalent of Jim Crow laws. Moreover, minorities have lost billions from Jim Crow laws.

understood....but you're looking at it from an pro-AA stance. You have to look at it from an anti-AA stance...
What's the least that you could do?

 

[38816]

Originally Posted by Essential1

Originally Posted by eNPHAN

Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

again I ask...

Jim Crow laws were ended in 1965.. compare that to the birth of our nation..1776...that's pretty much 190 years of racial discrimination.

I'm wholly in support of AA... but I'd say to those people who oppose it......why not keep AA for 190 years AFTER the repeal of Jim Crow laws?... so that's in 2155.

wouldn't that be somewhat fair?

naw, fair would be legislating jim crow laws for whites, actually.

but, considering that won't EVER happen...

i guess this is a consolation....

that is way too much. What whites did to every race in this country is f'd up and still lingers today, still done today and more widespread than many whites think. But Jim Crow against whites wouldn't solve anything it would make hate worse, and would be a million times counterproductive.

People like Fede, Emmanuel, and TBone just won't understand and never will. Fede even grew up in it and still doesn't understand.


oh, i know, i was just clarifying what "fair" would be...

i'm not suggesting this actually be done...

but compare "fair" to AA and anyone with a brain would fall back....

AA is LEAGUES more "palatable" than Jim Crow for whites....

and dirty, why make it palatable, anyway?

were the Jim Crow laws made any more palatable for blacks?

i think AA is more than an acceptable way to say "sorry"

in fact, more can be done...

but with all the flack AA alone gets....we all know, this is about as good as it's ever gonna get...

 

[emmanuel goldstein]

Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

Originally Posted by Emmanuel Goldstein

Originally Posted by ICUP

Like Essential1 said you was mad average and then you had to step your game up.

so a 3.8 and 1260 is average? where you from homie? this is out of the old sat, 1600 ...

I'm from that era.
that's average to me
Top tier schools were looking for 1400 and above.

which is why i worked harder and didnt party before and got a 1520 ... i kept my options open ... but it was because i worked for those options ...

If you were black that'd be more than enough for a top tier school.
thats the point ...

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by moonmaster3

Originally Posted by Emmanuel Goldstein

Originally Posted by ICUP

Like Essential1 said you was mad average and then you had to step your game up.

so a 3.8 and 1260 is average? where you from homie? this is out of the old sat, 1600 ...

If you were black that'd be more than enough for a top tier school.

well according to his logic and "experience" if he were black and got a 2.5 and a 700 on the SAT's he would have gotten into Harvard.

 

[dirtylicious]

...the point of the question was not to propose real ways that would correct the past redresses of racism...but rather to press those who oppose AA.....what dothey really want?...and to acknowledge that the past 190 yrs of racial discrimination does indeed give whites advantage.

but with all the flack AA alone gets....we all know, this is about as good as it's ever gonna get...

exactly. you won't get anything more than AA.
fantasy proposals don't further the discussion

 

[theswoosh]

So this thread went from Affirmative Action to SAT scores???

Fact: The biggest group to benefit from Affirmative Action was white women. They were also one of the more vocal groups what ultimately ended the program.

 

[keepzdasneakz]

Originally Posted by Essential1

I got into a discussion about this in American Politics we broke up into 5 groups of 6-10 kids, My discussion with another kid stopped the whole class and it became a 1 on 1 debate. Me being on the pro Affirmative Action side.

I really don't think some white people understand how easy they have it compared to some minorities (I am white).... Not to say white people don't struggle but certain things they don't have to deal with that other groups do. Things that effect everyday life.

People also don't realize for every unqualified Affirmative Action reception there is a white guy who doesn't deserve the job (so what is the explanation of that).

Many times blacks, Hispanics, Asians, woman etc. are still looked over for jobs with affirmative action and they are more qualified.

And then if you are a minority and you earned your spot you are an automatic affirmative action hire. (Obama, Sotomayor, the list goes on)

The racism and bigotry in this country is not dead at all.

While I do believe an economic status Affirmative Action is better and will cover more people, we cannot just abolish Affirmative Action completely.

And to sum it up as a White Male I have never felt hindered, cheated whatever by Affirmative Action. My resume speaks for itself. I don't get a job I don't get a job. I don't blame anyone else for it.

"But, but....DEY TOOK OUR JAAHHBS!"

 

[38816]

Originally Posted by Essential1

Originally Posted by moonmaster3

Originally Posted by Emmanuel Goldstein

Originally Posted by ICUP

Like Essential1 said you was mad average and then you had to step your game up.

so a 3.8 and 1260 is average? where you from homie? this is out of the old sat, 1600 ...

If you were black that'd be more than enough for a top tier school.

well according to his logic and "experience" if he were black and got a 2.5 and a 700 on the SAT's he would have gotten into Harvard.

a 2.5?

according to these guys, a black kid doesn't even need to actually go to school and they'd get into harvard...

 

[icup]

Originally Posted by ICUP

It really depends on what school you trying to get in. A 3.8 and 1260 is less than average at Harvard. What school were you trying to get into.

i didnt try to get in anywhere, i got into the Univerisity of Maryland ...
Back then a 1200 and above was what they were looking for at the University of Maryland. I live in MD but didn't want to go there because itwas too close to home. If you just graduated then I was probably applying for schools when you were too. Did you get denied with the 1260 or you just retookthe SATs to make sure you got a higher score?

Originally Posted by ICUP

that's asking way too much though... and would cost billions
what you need to do is make AA as palatable as possible to those against it.

Yeah, but it would be more fair than just AA. AA isn't the equivalent of Jim Crow laws. Moreover, minorities have lost billions from Jim Crow laws.

understood....but you're looking at it from an pro-AA stance. You have to look at it from an anti-AA stance...
What's the least that you could do?
The least they could do is invest in public education. Revitalize urban centers without moving the poor out (which often happen to be minorities). Bring more educational opportunities for those who are stuck at minimum wage jobs. Although this may be somewhat controversial, but incarceration recordsshould be disclosed in limited situations because many minorities are unable to move up in society because of past mistakes.

 

[38816]

Originally Posted by Dirtylicious

...the point of the question was not to propose real ways that would correct the past redresses of racism...but rather to press those who oppose AA.....what do they really want?...and to acknowledge that the past 190 yrs of racial discrimination does indeed give whites advantage.

but with all the flack AA alone gets....we all know, this is about as good as it's ever gonna get...

exactly. you won't get anything more than AA.
fantasy proposals don't further the discussion
i just wanted to clarify your statement as to what "fair" would actually, truely entail....

 

[essential1]

Originally Posted by keepzdasneakz

"But, but....DEY TOOK OUR JAAHHBS!"

you sir have made a great joke

but seriously +1

 

[essential1]

ICUP wrote:

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ICUP wrote:

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that's asking way too much though... and would cost billions
what you need to do is make AA as palatable as possible to those against it.
Yeah, but it would be more fair than just AA. AA isn't the equivalent of Jim Crow laws. Moreover, minorities have lost billions from Jim Crow laws.

understood....but you're looking at it from an pro-AA stance. You have to look at it from an anti-AA stance...
What's the least that you could do?
The least they could do is invest in public education. Revitalize urban centers without moving the poor out (which often happen to be minorities). Bring more educational opportunities for those who are stuck at minimum wage jobs. Although this may be somewhat controversial, but incarceration records should be disclosed in limited situations because many minorities are unable to move up in society because of past mistakes.

That's socialism. [insert cartoon]Why don't blacks just get to moving up the ladder their selves? [/cartoon] ... I'm telling you, alotof whites, understand that there is still inequality. But they just want to brush it under the rug because they are truly sorry for what has been done, butjust don't know how to handle it or fix it. But there are many whites who really think it is equal. Black president means equality. There are also whiteslike myself who are called "racist to white people" because I am vocal about the inequality.