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Illmatic is the best Musical album of all time. Lets take a trip down memory lane
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NT has the most generic taste in music everything.
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Music is so subjective. So many factors go into what makes a person like and connect to a certain song or album.
Either way, Illmatic was always overrated IMO
Either way, Illmatic was always overrated IMO
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NT is not a country. NT is not a race. by saying what you
just said you also have generic taste in everything because
you are not above NT. you post here like everyone else.
plenty dudes on here do have some.....interesting opinions
but to group it all together is paradoxical.
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Wayne isn't the most overrated rapper ever though. When have you legitimately heard someone over the age of 18 (besides Wayne of course
) call him the GOAT? Dudes in NO don't even call him the best ever. And I have SEEN people ON NT call Pac the most overrated rapper ever. Doesn't bother me at all. Subjective. And nah, wordplay and lyricism doesn't make someone a great rapper. Papoose for example, dude has BARS. The majority of people outside of NY doesn't check for him though. Why? Bars and lyricism are all he has to offer. His songs suck to me and his flow is nothing special to me. Hell, if what you said is true then Pun and L would be the undisputed GOATs. But they aren't viewed as that by most.
Exactly.
Its understandable for dudes who grew up in NY for their entire lives to have a connection with cats like Nas, Jay, Wu-Tang, etc. because they grew up on it. Myself, I don't connect with those dudes much because NO ONE where i'm from nor did my folks listen to those guys. I grew up on Pac, TI, UGK, OutKast, Snoop, Wayne etc. so i'm always going to choose those guys over most others. It's SUBJECTIVE. How you gonna call someone's opinion void because they don't rock with Nas as much as you do?
NY cats are sheltered man, dudes really think everyone that listens to rap knows every Nas and Hov album word for word and ****.
*waits for the typical 40 year old NY NT'er who listens to boom-bap all day to post a slick comment because I like Wayne*
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naaaaaw don't gimmie that. i know 20 year olds, 30 year olds, 40 year olds, etc
who do not think Illmatic is the best MUSICAL album ever
and y favorite RAP album is from 1995. My #2 is from 1998
That wasnt meant for the "best musical album ever", but for the flack and calling Illmatic "overrated". If you are in your 20's you don't have a single clue of the cultural and industry impact Illmatic had when it was released. Nas was 19 when the album was released and was already called the GOAT. 10 tracks of pure lyrical and production genius.
IMO it's the greatest Hip-Hop album because it encompassed everything that was going on at the time, and was the first album you can visually see an artists lyrics. No disrespect to Rakim, Eric B, or Big Daddy Kane.
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Agreed
& Aquemini> Illmatic
but the best musical album of all time is not a rap album. period
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Speaking of D'Angelo, That ************ is amazing. His voice is severely underrated. Voodoo is a masterpiece 
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Album was cool for rap, but I'd put a lot of things before it IMO.
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Voodoo> Illmatic
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Fair enough
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Im from Miami and think illmatic is the GOAT rap album, and I love both jay z and nas's music.
Yoppaveli 1.5 > illmatic tho
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ALL EYEZ ON ME >
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dawg ain't no use.
if we talkin MUSIC it's SOOOOOOO many albums i can put above Illmatic. but hey i'd put 3 2pac albums and 4 Outkast
albums above it off rip so it's whatever. and also to dudes talking about the
context of the album you're straying away from the MUSIC. dude said it's the
best MUSICAL album of all time. true, context affects how people rate albums
BUT if you're gonna call something the best musical album ever it's not
fair to lean so much on the context. for example, i did not know the context of
anything when my dad first bought R. Kelly's TP-2.com but dammit to this day
i love it musically and that's separate from the nostalgia i get from hearing it.
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Illmatic = broke dude tryna get rich without killing your people (keepin' your eyes above the waters)
Ready to Die = broke dude that made it rich but kept it gritty (keepin' it thoro)
Reasonable doubt = rich dude tryna stay there and out of jail and beef (cleanin' up nice)
all are classic but depends on what you needed from your music IMO
Ready to Die = broke dude that made it rich but kept it gritty (keepin' it thoro)
Reasonable doubt = rich dude tryna stay there and out of jail and beef (cleanin' up nice)
all are classic but depends on what you needed from your music IMO
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And while we're at it, All Eyez On Me (the song) > Street Dreams.
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nah, b...
Nas by far bodied that beat...
Nas had better flow...
Nas made waaayyyy more lyrical sense..
Tupac basically keep mumbling about his n****z in a van ready to ride...
i can respect it but it compare it to something else because Nasty Nas got that one...
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Street Dreams wasnt even the best song on the album.
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At this troll thread.
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Let's get to chopping this fable.Wayne isn't the most overrated rapper ever though. When have you legitimately heard someone over the age of 18 (besides Wayne of course) call him the GOAT? Dudes in NO don't even call him the best ever.
And I have SEEN people ON NT call Pac the most overrated rapper ever. Doesn't bother me at all. Subjective.
And nah, wordplay and lyricism doesn't make someone a great rapper. Papoose for example, dude has BARS. The majority of people outside of NY doesn't check for him though. Why? Bars and lyricism are all he has to offer. His songs suck to me and his flow is nothing special to me. Hell, if what you said is true then Pun and L would be the undisputed GOATs. But they aren't viewed as that by most.
1. Wayne isn't overrated in the sense that people think he's the GOAT. He's overrated in the way that when he was running around calling himself the best rapper alive and top 3 DOA there were a whole lot of people cosigning that BS. When he was hot you couldn't criticize Wayne without 5 ********rs coming out of the woodworks to chastise you. Those guys that called Pac the most overrated rapper of all time were stupid for that too.
2. You're still confusing being a great rapper with being a great entertainer. 2 different things. Battle rap shows perfectly the dichotomy between great rappers and great entertainers. A lot of people would take Holla or Tay Roc over Chilla any day. They're not even close to being better than him but they're more entertaining. What you're saying is the equivalent of "You're an excellent poet, but you write trash poetry". Or "You're the best piano player I ever heard but nobody knows you, so you suck as a pianist". Oooooor "You're the most fundamentally sound basketball player I ever saw. But you're just not entertaining to watch so you're overrated". Getting more radio play and exposure doesn't mean you're better than someone who doesn't. There's a whole lot of underground rappers who choose to stay underground and are FAR better than most mainstream rappers. Nobody is really looking for MF Doom but is he a worse rapper than 2Chainz? If you ask 10 people who they would rather listen to, Papoose or French Montana, 7/10 would choose French. He's not a better rapper than papoose though. And papoose's problems with exposure went beyond his lyrical abilities. Just look at how long it took him to come out with Nacirema Dream
You can have your preferences but you can't deny greatness.
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Illimatic is a classic album. I couldn't call it the best though. There are several albums that I would consider just as good. Midnight marauders, the Chronic, Doggystyle, Straight Outta Compton, Enter the Wu, It takes a nation of millions, All Eyes, Ready to Die, Paid in Full, Southernplayalistic...and that's off of the top of my head. I'm sure there are some I'm leaving out. Too subjective to call any album the best.....unless we're talking about the Thriller album
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illmatic = the east coast chonic
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Illmatic is definitley part of that discussion, though.
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Music is subjective and many people put other records ahead of it
But most people ive met will admit that it is FLAWLESS
Maybe not your favorite but it is flawless. Not a single hiccup on that cd.
But most people ive met will admit that it is FLAWLESS
Maybe not your favorite but it is flawless. Not a single hiccup on that cd.