Im completely infatuated with da demise of Roc-A-Fella Records. VOL. Rome burned slow

[wavy bone]

I was wondering when someone would point that out. 5 years was an arbitrary number.
So 5 years ago he had a critically acclaimed album....as opposed to NO album or release scheduled yet right now.
How Meek been with Ross for 1 year and a half and already got an album dropping?
My real point is that Push is not better off NOW (and I mean right NOW), with his affiliation with Kanye, than he has been in the past.
Yes, the business has changed. But the Clipse, and Pusha as a big part of them had a cultural impact then. I don't see Pusha as a bigger star today than he was back then.
And that was always the point. The timeline is semantic and I think you know that.

What exactly do you need to see that manifested in?

A Release Date?

A certain number of album sales?


I mean he became a solo artist in 2010. That's a whole different ballgame than the body of work he did with his brother over a 10 year span. I'm not exactly sure where you think he SHOULD be right now. I'm simply saying that compared to his situation w/ the Clipse...his affiliation w/ Kanye keeps his name on the front right.

Where do you think he'd be right now if he WASN'T ******g with Kanye? You can't really think he'd have the same level of popularity. I'm not saying the ***** has 10 million fans...but his name IS out there and that in itself is not easy for rappers today.

As far as Meek...he been w/ Ross since 2010 too. His **** bout to drop cause he put out hotter records...period. I'm not disputing that.

 

[illphillip]

What exactly do you need to see that manifested in?
A Release Date?
A certain number of album sales?
I mean he became a solo artist in 2010. That's a whole different ballgame than the body of work he did with his brother over a 10 year span. I'm not exactly sure where you think he SHOULD be right now. I'm simply saying that compared to his situation w/ the Clipse...his affiliation w/ Kanye keeps his name on the front right.
Where do you think he'd be right now if he WASN'T ******g with Kanye? You can't really think he'd have the same level of popularity. I'm not saying the ***** has 10 million fans...but his name IS out there and that in itself is not easy for rappers today.
As far as Meek...he been w/ Ross since 2010 too. His **** bout to drop cause he put out hotter records...period. I'm not disputing that.

I just need it manifested in SOMETHING tangible. A single. A single leading to an album.

In 2 years, all we have is a few hot features and some interviews. And a wardrobe change. Is that supposed to be substantial?

He's been there before. How is that advancement?

I think he could be perfectly capable of that on his own or still rocking with Pharrell or whatever. Malice still be poppin' up on his own.

You say his name is out there. But his name BEEN out there. Big singles. Critically acclaimed albums. Features.

We Got It 4 Cheap mixtapes. 20k Money Making Brothers On The Corner etc. All the Re-Up Gang releases. They did all that on their own.

It's not about where I think he should be. I just haven't really seen a change in his trajectory.

Maybe I'm just not seeing this level of popularity you speak of. Yes, I see the interviews. Yes he's got his little "beef" with YMCMB. But again, I feel like here's been here before.

So what's changed?

You say Meek put out hotter records and that's why he has a release. He's (or MMG rather) also put out his OWN singles.

But Pusha is running with the best producer in the game for 2 years and hasn't? That don't seem off to you? So where's the great benefit?

Again, this could all change tomorrow, but right now, I just don't see it.

ninja really need to come back in here and make sense of all this and get us back on track.....HA!

 

[futuremd]

Well I don't see how its hurt his "career" either. 

Your point is.....what? Just to say the opposite of what I said? Brilliant.

I think most would assume that Pusha's career would benefit by aligning himself with one of the biggest names in music.

Dude said Kanye gave him a major push in the last 2 years and that has resulted in........?

Thanks for sharing though. Now I see how you get to 100's of posts a day.

I don't know WHAT your problem is honestly. 

I'm simply saying that Pusha might not have "risen" but he damn sure hasn't fallen either. He's just coasting along in whatever lane he was in anyways. He wasn't some sort of superstar in the first place. He's always been a cult-ish artist.

Its pretty rare that an artist who has been out for a while just blossoms into a whole other character. Of course we have a few examples like 2 Chainz, but how often does that happen? The stats aren't in Pusha's favor. 

If anything you're not saying much when this is all you have to say:

I'm trying not to beat a dead horse here. He was on the VMA stage with Kanye 2 years ago.

He was on the VMA stage in 2002 as well. He's done all of this before.

He's been visible as part of the promotion of Cruel Summer. He's been visible during the promotion of all of his albums.

Again, I just don't see a big difference. But for real though, it could just be me.

Sometimes I think people see Kanye's name and automatically see stars and unicorns n' **** though. HA!

I mean really? So basically you're just moving the goalposts so you have a reason to be upset about something. 

The fact that he's still around means QUITE a bit.

What you claim he's "done before" is what most artists NEVER do. 

 

[solarius49]

^^^^^which is why we're saying that Kanye hasn't ADVANCED his career to some level that it wasnt previously at

 

[futuremd]

What exactly do you need to see that manifested in?
A Release Date?
A certain number of album sales?
I mean he became a solo artist in 2010. That's a whole different ballgame than the body of work he did with his brother over a 10 year span. I'm not exactly sure where you think he SHOULD be right now. I'm simply saying that compared to his situation w/ the Clipse...his affiliation w/ Kanye keeps his name on the front right.
Where do you think he'd be right now if he WASN'T ******g with Kanye? You can't really think he'd have the same level of popularity. I'm not saying the ***** has 10 million fans...but his name IS out there and that in itself is not easy for rappers today.
As far as Meek...he been w/ Ross since 2010 too. His **** bout to drop cause he put out hotter records...period. I'm not disputing that.

I just need it manifested in SOMETHING tangible. A single. A single leading to an album.

In 2 years, all we have is a few hot features and some interviews. And a wardrobe change. Is that supposed to be substantial?

He's been there before. How is that advancement?

I think he could be perfectly capable of that on his own or still rocking with Pharrell or whatever. Malice still be poppin' up on his own.

You say his name is out there. But his name BEEN out there. Big singles. Critically acclaimed albums. Features.

We Got It 4 Cheap mixtapes. 20k Money Making Brothers On The Corner etc. All the Re-Up Gang releases. They did all that on their own.

It's not about where I think he should be. I just haven't really seen a change in his trajectory.

Maybe I'm just not seeing this level of popularity you speak of. Yes, I see the interviews. Yes he's got his little "beef" with YMCMB. But again, I feel like here's been here before.

So what's changed?

You say Meek put out hotter records and that's why he has a release. He's (or MMG rather) also put out his OWN singles.

But Pusha is running with the best producer in the game for 2 years and hasn't? That don't seem off to you? So where's the great benefit?

Again, this could all change tomorrow, but right now, I just don't see it.

ninja really need to come back in here and make sense of all this and get us back on track.....HA!

All of this doesn't account for artists like Big Sean and Cudi who were on the backburner with Ye as well for quite a while.

If anything Ye has a pretty strong record of at least throwing the ball to his team and setting them up properly.

Of course not everyone makes it. Pusha is an older artist who might not have that drive like he used to and I don't see his "trajectory" really ever changing. He is, who he is. He ain't even spit a verse when he was at Hot 97 the other day. He was just chilling and let Cyhi and Big Sean kill it. 

Thats where he is right now...but to say he's fallen? Well I don't think thats accurate either. 

 

[futuremd]

^^^^^which is why we're saying that Kanye hasn't ADVANCED his career to some level that it wasnt previously at

I'd venture to say Pusha has more people checking for him than he did a few years ago. He might not have his own single, but hes definitely out there.

Thats like saying Wiz didn't advance Juicy J's career. 

Affiliation can only do so much. That ground work matters. Pusha has to get an audience that wants him on the radio. He, in my opinion, has been killing his GOOD features. His solo stuff has been so-so and a little uninspired but I don't think Kanye has hurt him in anyway.

I don't think Kanye was ever going to push him to HIGHER heights. I didn't see that happening like with Big Sean, Cudi or like I'm (finally) seeing in Cyhi. I think his job was just to coast it out and give Kanye something to connect with parts of his audience that aged with him.

 

[illphillip]

I don't know WHAT your problem is honestly. 

I'm simply saying that Pusha might not have "risen" but he damn sure hasn't fallen either. He's just coasting along in whatever lane he was in anyways. He wasn't some sort of superstar in the first place. He's always been a cult-ish artist.

Its pretty rare that an artist who has been out for a while just blossoms into a whole other character. Of course we have a few examples like 2 Chainz, but how often does that happen? The stats aren't in Pusha's favor. 

If anything you're not saying much when this is all you have to say:



I mean really? So basically you're just moving the goalposts so you have a reason to be upset about something. 

The fact that he's still around means QUITE a bit.

What you claim he's "done before" is what most artists NEVER do. 

Right. He "might not have "risen" but he damn sure hasn't fallen either". So nothing's changed. "He's just coasting along." These are YOUR words.

You're basically agreeing with me but just presenting an alternate perspective. And yet you believe you're saying something? You take yourself far too seriously "futureMD".

So again.....your point is.....what?

You're clearly not reading what's happening here. And even if you were, you'd be reading selectively as you tend to.

That was my whole point. That he's in the same lane. What "he's done before most artists NEVER do". But he HAS. What are you saying?

What goalposts am I moving in what you quoted? He did the VMA's before Kanye. So where exactly is the benefit to this relationship? What's changed?

You may not know what my problem is, but I'm pretty sure I know what yours is. You like to believe you're an expert in every subject. You come to a sneaker website for debates on politics and religion. With your high brow SN and your incredibly profound sig. Flexing your perceived intellectual superiority. But your social and cultural ignorance is still on full display.

It is, and always has been, laughable.

 

[illphillip]

All of this doesn't account for artists like Big Sean and Cudi who were on the backburner with Ye as well for quite a while.

If anything Ye has a pretty strong record of at least throwing the ball to his team and setting them up properly.

Of course not everyone makes it. Pusha is an older artist who might not have that drive like he used to and I don't see his "trajectory" really ever changing. He is, who he is. He ain't even spit a verse when he was at Hot 97 the other day. He was just chilling and let Cyhi and Big Sean kill it. 

Thats where he is right now...but to say he's fallen? Well I don't think thats accurate either. 

What backburner was Cudi on? He had a single on Pop radio without a deal. It was called "Day N' Nite" and had a remix by The Crookers that was MASSIVE.

Before Kanye.

Sean wasn't on no backburner. He was a developing artist. Pusha is established. You're reaching and once again speaking too much on a subject you know little about.

Again, your reading comprehension is poor. Who said he'd fallen? No one. You're having a conversation and an argument in your mind that no one else is having.

All that solitude is getting to you. Step offline and step outside.

 

[futuremd]

I don't know WHAT your problem is honestly. 

I'm simply saying that Pusha might not have "risen" but he damn sure hasn't fallen either. He's just coasting along in whatever lane he was in anyways. He wasn't some sort of superstar in the first place. He's always been a cult-ish artist.

Its pretty rare that an artist who has been out for a while just blossoms into a whole other character. Of course we have a few examples like 2 Chainz, but how often does that happen? The stats aren't in Pusha's favor. 

If anything you're not saying much when this is all you have to say:



I mean really? So basically you're just moving the goalposts so you have a reason to be upset about something. 

The fact that he's still around means QUITE a bit.

What you claim he's "done before" is what most artists NEVER do. 

Right. He "might not have "risen" but he damn sure hasn't fallen either". So nothing's changed. "He's just coasting along." These are YOUR words.

You're basically agreeing with me but just presenting an alternate perspective. And yet you believe you're saying something? You take yourself far too seriously "futureMD".

So again.....your point is.....what?

You're clearly not reading what's happening here. And even if you were, you'd be reading selectively as you tend to.

That was my whole point. That he's in the same lane. What "he's done before most artists NEVER do". But he HAS. What are you saying?

What goalposts am I moving in what you quoted? He did the VMA's before Kanye. So where exactly is the benefit to this relationship? What's changed?

You may not know what my problem is, but I'm pretty sure I know what yours is. You like to believe you're an expert in every subject. You come to a sneaker website for debates on politics and religion. With your high brow SN and your incredibly profound sig. Flexing your perceived intellectual superiority. But your social and cultural ignorance is still on full display.

It is, and always has been, laughable.

Yeah, now you've lost it.

You came in here saying that Pusha hasn't gone anywhere.

Where else can he go? He's not 2 Chainz.

You're here saying that he hasn't gained anything from Kanye.

Whuuuut? 

Dude is a feature on hit songs with memorable verses, memorable performances, and still has shine time in 2012. 

He's not going to win a grammy. You made it sound like there was a problem with him coasting.

Like I said with Juicy J and Wiz. You might as well say Juicy hasn't gained anything from that either...and we all know he has. 

Oh and that inane quip at the end: I could say the likes for for a lot of your "high brow" insinuations because you work "in the industry." Right. Keep thinking that, THAT  matters in this conversation. Wavy Bone was absolutely correct here. Pusha T wasn't moving units in a climate adjustable and relative to todays environment. Lets be honest and we all know that the Clipse was never that big to begin with. 

They're a cult group. They were always going to be that way. Pusha has to literally push himself to be relevant these days. That Kanye affiliation is the only thing keeping him afloat. Without it, he doesn't have his BROTHER there to help...which is something you left out for his initial popularity in the first place. So yes, Kanye does matter in terms of Pusha staying relevant. 

I can tell you're upset because I disagree with you, but pay no attention. Focus on the argument next time and you won't have to creative a strawman for you to bowl a strike with when the guard rails are up. 

 

[futuremd]

All of this doesn't account for artists like Big Sean and Cudi who were on the backburner with Ye as well for quite a while.

If anything Ye has a pretty strong record of at least throwing the ball to his team and setting them up properly.

Of course not everyone makes it. Pusha is an older artist who might not have that drive like he used to and I don't see his "trajectory" really ever changing. He is, who he is. He ain't even spit a verse when he was at Hot 97 the other day. He was just chilling and let Cyhi and Big Sean kill it. 

Thats where he is right now...but to say he's fallen? Well I don't think thats accurate either. 

What backburner was Cudi on? He had a single on Pop radio without a deal. It was called "Day N' Nite" and had a remix by The Crookers that was MASSIVE.

Before Kanye.

Sean wasn't on no backburner. He was a developing artist. Pusha is established. You're reaching and once again speaking too much on a subject you know little about.
 

Yeah we're done here. 

You've got that wildly selective memory. Now we're calling being on the backburner a  "developing artist." Even Consequence kept it real saying Sean was close to getting dropped. 

Big Sean's first major look was Getcha Some on that mixtape before Graduation dropped.

Dude was grinding HARDBODY to get on making songs with Mike Posner and the like. Doing shows free shows at colleges and what not trying to get on. 

Again, your reading comprehension is poor. Who said he'd fallen? No one. You're having a conversation and an argument in your mind that no one else is having.

Bruh...were you not in here saying that Kanye hasn't helped?

http://niketalk.com/t/509811/im-com...ecords-vol-rome-burned-slow/240#post_16459486

Originally Posted by FutureMD  

Originally Posted by illphillip  

Originally Posted by RoOk  

Kanye is giving Pusha MAJOR push though (No pun intended) Specially in the last 2 years.

For real though, what has this done for Pusha? I don't see him in a brighter light now than he was 5 years ago.

He just dresses worse.

Well I don't see how its hurt his "career" either. 

I simply said that he did not "fall off" either and you came out trying to act like you had something to prove. 

You're on clown status right now. 

As if Pusha wouldn't be passing out flyers at the doorway on Wednesday nights with his brother at church service if Kanye didn't toss him the lifesaver. 

All that solitude is getting to you. Step offline and step outside.

Strong statement. Tell me, where am I? 

You're good for trying to talk recklessly to make it sound like your argument alone can stand up on its own. 

 

[illphillip]

You can't be that dense....

In your own words, I said Pusha "hasn't gone anywhere".

Your question is "where else can he go". And then you say "he's not 2 Chainz".

Who was 2 Chainz a few years ago? Where has he gone?

Up? AFTER his affiliation with Luda no less.

Where did I make it sound like there was a problem with him coasting? Coasting is cool.

If you were rolling with Kanye West, would you expect to be coasting? Try thinking before you answer.

Again, your whole MO is laughable. Where did I mention anything about working in the "industry"? What does me working in the industry have to do with anything? How is what I do for a living relevant in my responses (to YOU) but not in anyone else's.

Because I know Cudi wasn't on a backburner and you were wrong about that? Sorry.

I don't even work in Urban music. I just happen to love it.

I am focused on the argument. You're veering all over the place. Talking about Cudi and Sean. And mistaken about all the above.

Push is still around. Cool. He was still around when HHNF dropped. Still around when TTCD dropped. Still around when the mixtapes dropped. Was around enough that Kanye signed him.

Now what?

 

[illphillip]

Right. Pusha would be passing out flyers without Kanye.

But you're not a clown at all.

Again, I NEVER said he'd fallen off. How is saying Kanye hasn't helped = to "fallen off"? No.

Sean was always a developing artist. Anyone who hasn't put out an album falls into that category.

Dude was on a mixtape and trying to do songs with Mike Posner......but he's not a developing artist......

Wait...Cons said so? Oh it must be true.

You literally say **** that SUPPORTS what I'm saying under the guise of "debating" me. How confused are you?

And you're right. I am very good at talking recklessly. And backing it up. Hence the name.

Perhaps you'd like to believe that this persona you present online isn't the real you. Right. You're the guy with 100+ posts PER DAY who also has an active social life.

You got it son. I don't even have the internet mastery to reply to all of the levels of stupidity in your last post.

 

[meek meals]

I don't see how having number one records a decade ago is equivalent to being down with probably the hottest and most respected clique in the game right now.

Not to mention the exposure he's gotten from being on Mercy/I Don't Like/MBDTF

That's like saying . . . Nelly or DMX wouldn't benefit from a invitation from Ross (hate or love the man, MMG is on fire buzz wise right now). And they were both much bigger than Pusha in their primes.

I know DMX denied Ross though, but still . . .

White girls who were 10 years old when Grindin dropped don't know what that is. Nobody remembers a random Justin feature either.

Pusha def revived his career by signing with GOOD. Just like Juicy revived his with Wiz, and Tity Boi revived his with mixtapes.

 

[illphillip]

I don't see how "having a #1 record a decade ago is equivalent to being down with probably the hottest and most respected clique in the game right now" either.

I'd say having a #1 record a decade ago is a far more impressive accomplishment.

He never had a #1 record though.

As of right now, his career hasn't been "revived" IMO. It was never dead. He's stayed grinding (pun..) for over a decade.

My point was there have been no real developments since signing with GOOD. Nelly and DMX would benefit from an invitation if they got to put out records.

People seem to be agreeing with me while trying not to agree with me. And I think a lot of you are caught up in this "buzz" element. Just because you're on some blogs because you're cool with a big dog doesn't mean you're actually benefitting.

If someone could tell me Pusha did more shows in the last 2 years than he has in his whole career, my argument would be dead. But no one is telling me anything tanglible. He did the VMA's 2 years ago. What since? He did them 10 years ago. That wasn't big?

I just keep hearing that he's "popular" right now. As if that hasn't been the case before.

Meek is a great example to me of where Push should be right now. Wale's had 2 albums out since Pusha's last. Y'all should know I don't **** with Ross (who got Wale's last one out quick), but to me that says a lot.

I do ultimately hope it pays off for the man.

 

[futuremd]

Right. Pusha would be passing out flyers without Kanye.

But you're not a clown at all.
 

He probably would be. His brother wasn't down to put in work anymore. Pusha can't survive without an affiliation. If he could, he would have done it already. Kanye is helping him.

Again, I NEVER said he'd fallen off. How is saying Kanye hasn't helped = to "fallen off"? No.

Yeah, now you're playing dumb. Well, maybe you're not playing, on second thought. 

You saying that kanye hasn't helped is pretty much a fallacy since Pusha wasn't really doing anything on his lonesome for those few months to a year or so until Ye scooped him. 

Keep rewriting history though. This is entertaining. You're backtracking and hoping no one picks up on it. 

Sean was always a developing artist. Anyone who hasn't put out an album falls into that category.

Dude was on a mixtape and trying to do songs with Mike Posner......but he's not a developing artist......

Wait...Cons said so? Oh it must be true.

Bruh, you can be putting out music and, as you know, if you're not doing anything commercially then you liable to getting dropped. Big Sean, as much as I like the guy, wasn't really doing much in the big leagues until he got the push he deserved. Dude was struggling for some time. 

Hell, ask Pill what happened. 

You literally say **** that SUPPORTS what I'm saying under the guise of "debating" me. How confused are you?

I don't care about debating you.

You're not saying what I'm saying.

You're saying that Kanye has not helped Pusha.

Thats just not true. 

And you're right. I am very good at talking recklessly. And backing it up. Hence the name.

Perhaps you'd like to believe that this persona you present online isn't the real you. Right. You're the guy with 100+ posts PER DAY who also has an active social life.

I don't even know how to respond to this. You...don't know me. You...don't know what I'm actually doing right now...or what i've done all day. 

I mean its not like I could say anything to change your mind anyways since you're so focused on fighting the ghost you've crafted in your mind of what you THINK you know.

Just keep swinging. 

You got it son. I don't even have the internet mastery to reply to all of the levels of stupidity in your last post.

The hell are you talking about? I hope that all bravado means something in the context of...something...important. I don't know. 

You're talking about "levels of stupidity" but are steadily rewriting history out here acting like we won't notice. 

Keep trying though. That intimidation is going to work one of these days when you can't plug all the holes in your argument. 

...One day. 

 

[wavy bone]

I don't see how "having a #1 record a decade ago is equivalent to being down with probably the hottest and most respected clique in the game right now" either.
I'd say having a #1 record a decade ago is a far more impressive accomplishment.
He never had a #1 record though.
As of right now, his career hasn't been "revived" IMO. It was never dead. He's stayed grinding (pun..) for over a decade.
My point was there have been no real developments since signing with GOOD. Nelly and DMX would benefit from an invitation if they got to put out records.
People seem to be agreeing with me while trying not to agree with me. And I think a lot of you are caught up in this "buzz" element. Just because you're on some blogs because you're cool with a big dog doesn't mean you're actually benefitting.
If someone could tell me Pusha did more shows in the last 2 years than he has in his whole career, my argument would be dead. But no one is telling me anything tanglible. He did the VMA's 2 years ago. What since? He did them 10 years ago. That wasn't big?
I just keep hearing that he's "popular" right now. As if that hasn't been the case before.
Meek is a great example to me of where Push should be right now. Wale's had 2 albums out since Pusha's last. Y'all should know I don't **** with Ross (who got Wale's last one out quick), but to me that says a lot.
I do ultimately hope it pays off for the man.

You can't really believe...that if the Clipse were still doing what they were doing...that Pusha would have the same relevance that he has right now. There's no way you believe that.

Nobody is saying that his allegiance with Pusha is blowing him up to some new level of stardom...but his allegiance with Kanye CLEARLY keeps his name out there amongst a certain crowd (that z100 crowd) that it wouldn't be otherwise.

You even agreed about my point about Exodus. That exemplifies everything I'm trying to say about his whole G.O.O.D tenure. He makes that song 3-4 years ago...NOBODY cares. Wayne doesn't respond to it the next day. That machine behind him CLEARLY gives him new blood.

You can't keep saying he's done all this cool **** back in 2001 as if that matters now. He's 35. Kids that are 16-21 (youngins) don't give a **** about any of that.

Kanye is keeping Pusha "cool" right now if that makes any sense.

As for what it will amount to? We'll have to wait and see. But you can't tell me that that look has done NOTHING for him. Without it...I'm not sure where he'd be right now. The Clipse aren't even signed to anyone right now.

As for Meek...like I said. His **** just hit in the clubs harder than any of Pusha's solo ****. Push doesn't have any signature records that can really push an album release right now like Meek does. That's on Pusha. This is just my opinion...but like I said earlier...I don't think he's capable of that having that ONE or TWO joints that will kill the clubs. He's just been killing features...and those features are MUCH more high profile than anything else he's done in his career (save for the Timberlake joint 10 years ago).

 

[illphillip]

You're right. I don't know you personally. But I am free to make educated guesses about you based on what you've presented of yourself online. And I will continue to do so.

Pusha wouldn't be handing out flyers. His brother is an affiliation? No. Pharrell is an affiliation? Yes.

Last Clipse album came out in 09. Kanye signed him in 2010.

Wise business move to sign a rapper who's kept himself active and relevant since, technically, 1999 when they were on Elektra.

Kanye signed him. Put him on a record. That GOOD connection hasn't really paid off yet for Pusha.

Sean was signed to GOOD before he was signed to a label. What backburner was he on? Signed to good in 2007, Def Jam in 2008. He did a few mixtapes, and had an album out in 2011.

Where's the backburner? You don't get dropped from a label like that. Labels will always keep you under contract (um, especially if you're cool with Kanye West) just IN CASE you **** around and make a huge record.

They only drop you if you're costing them major money (then they have to buy you out) or when your contact is up (where, in essence, they don't drop you, they just don't resign you or pick up your option). Or of course, if you try to muscle your way out of your contract.

Your gif and jog mastery is impressive sir.

 

[Master Zik]

Yo if dude is coasting then I can't really be impressed by anything you guys are claiming Kanye has done for him.

The DMX/Ross comparison makes no sense. DMX was huge a decade ago if he linked up with Ross and was at the same level he was a decade ago technically DMX wouldn't have gone anywhere. He'd be in the same spot he was a decade ago.

Same goes for Pusha. At this point ppl are looking for progress. Actual signs of elevation Not that your allegiance has kept you somewhat visible in the public eye and you're name mentioned from time to time. To be clear though, Pusha's peak with The Clipse and the Neptunes overshadows anything he's done so far with Ye and GOOD music.

 

[futuremd]

You're right. I don't know you personally. But I am free to make educated guesses about you based on what you've presented of yourself online. And I will continue to do so.

Pusha wouldn't be handing out flyers. His brother is an affiliation? No. Pharrell is an affiliation? Yes.

Last Clipse album came out in 09. Kanye signed him in 2010.

Wise business move to sign a rapper who's kept himself active and relevant since, technically, 1999 when they were on Elektra.

Kanye signed him. Put him on a record. That GOOD connection hasn't really paid off yet for Pusha.

Look. 

Pusha T has been on kanye's biggest songs since 2010.

WHUT?

Runaway? I Don't Like? Merci? 

Mind you, all of Pusha's success was WITH someone.

He's NEVER been a solo act...and he won't be until he proves it.

Sean was signed to GOOD before he was signed to a label. What backburner was he on? Signed to good in 2007, Def Jam in 2008. He did a few mixtapes, and had an album out in 2011.

It took the dude 4 years to drop an album? 

Yeah, but hes not on a backburner. Alright. 

He sure was "developing" but thats a LONG time to sit on a label, especially in this climate. Kanye actually develops artists...but to say that he wasn't getting close to being dropped isn't true. Thats why Consequence just let it out when he was through with Ye. You really think he had anything to hold back at that point?

Where's the backburner? You don't get dropped from a label like that. Labels will always keep you under contract (um, especially if you're cool with Kanye West) just IN CASE you **** around and make a huge record.

Oh but NOW you're pulling this argument out.

So why can't Pusha just do what hes doing now? You're saying he's not doing anything...but does this not explain why he doesn't have a hit yet? 

Hilarious.

They only drop you if you're costing them major money (then they have to buy you out) or when your contact is up (where, in essence, they don't drop you, they just don't resign you or pick up your postion). Or of course, if you try to muscle your way out of your contract.

Your gif and jog mastery is impressive sir.

See this doesn't make any sense.

Pusha is doing what he was doing with the Clipse...which is be apart of a group. 

If pusha is going to do anything different, then he hasn't shown he was ever going to do that in the first place. 

 

[illphillip]

You can't really believe...that if the Clipse were still doing what they were doing...that Pusha would have the same relevance that he has right now. There's no way you believe that.
Nobody is saying that his allegiance with Pusha is blowing him up to some new level of stardom...but his allegiance with Kanye CLEARLY keeps his name out there amongst a certain crowd (that z100 crowd) that it wouldn't be otherwise.
You even agreed about my point about Exodus. That exemplifies everything I'm trying to say about his whole G.O.O.D tenure. He makes that song 3-4 years ago...NOBODY cares. Wayne doesn't respond to it the next day. That machine behind him CLEARLY gives him new blood.
You can't keep saying he's done all this cool **** back in 2001 as if that matters now. He's 35. Kids that are 16-21 (youngins) don't give a **** about any of that.
Kanye is keeping Pusha "cool" right now if that makes any sense.
As for what it will amount to? We'll have to wait and see. But you can't tell me that that look has done NOTHING for him. Without it...I'm not sure where he'd be right now. The Clipse aren't even signed to anyone right now.
As for Meek...like I said. His **** just hit in the clubs harder than any of Pusha's solo ****. Push doesn't have any signature records that can really push an album release right now like Meek does. That's on Pusha. This is just my opinion...but like I said earlier...I don't think he's capable of that having that ONE or TWO joints that will kill the clubs. He's just been killing features...and those features are MUCH more high profile than anything else he's done in his career (save for the Timberlake joint 10 years ago).

I just don't see it. If I'm out of touch, I'm out of touch. I don't know where Clipse would be now. I know Pusha has been "relevant" for a decade.

If you believe his relevance is greater than I believe it is, that's fine. I just don't see him in THAT light right now.

But the light he's in, I've seen him in before. It may have been 10 years ago. But Pusha has always been relevant to me, I've seen him discussed on here.

And I don't really think he's as well known as you're making him out to be.

That Z100 crowd don't know Pusha because of Mercy. They may know his voice. They may have even heard it before. May have seen him in a video. May have even seen it before.

But they don't know him.

So ultimately my point was even with this push he's supposedly getting, he's not really any more popular today than he has been at previous points in his life.

Is he relevant today? Sure. Was he relevant 3-4 years ago? I thought so. More or less relevant at any point in time. That's all relative.

Clipse did an album 3 years ago. Malice is working with Christian rappers. So no, Pusha would probably not be doing as well with bro as he is solo. HA!

We're going in circles guys. In the wrong thread for it too.

 

[illphillip]

So if Sean was on a backburner, where is Cyhi?

Developing? Correct. He signed is 2010 and is putting out mixtapes.

Dude, come on. Not every artist signs a deal and puts an album out tomorrow.

You're watching too much American Idol. Rappers still develop.

They put out mixtapes and develop before they put out albums. Sometimes even when they're on a major. That's what they do to stay hot until the album.

Sean wasn't getting dropped. You're saying it's not true, but you have no real way of knowing if it is or isn't in reality, so why are you bringing it up? Doesn't really apply here.

Where am I saying "(Pusha's) not doing anything"? Again, your interpretation of my words is outlandishly off base. How have you taken what I'm saying about Sean's contract status and applied it to Pusha.

How are they even comparable? Pusha has been around for a decade and put his first album out in 2002 and has put out 2 since. Sean put out his first mixtape 5 years ago.

If Kanye is developing Pusha, cool. As of right now, not seeing where it's going since he signed. I feel like he's developed already so I thought this process would move quicker and we'd have some solo material and be looking at an album. But 2 years later, it hasn't happened.

As I've said previously, if that changes, then that's a good look for Push, and ultimately that's what I hope goes down.

This is just ridiculously off base now BTW.

 

[futuremd]

So if Sean was on a backburner, where is Cyhi?

Developing? Correct. He signed is 2010 and is putting out mixtapes.

Dude, come on. Not every artist signs a deal and puts an album out tomorrow.

You're watching too much American Idol. Rappers still develop.

They put out mixtapes and develop before they put out albums. Sometimes even when they're on a major. That's what they do to stay hot until the album.

Sean wasn't getting dropped. You're saying it's not true, but you have no real way of knowing if it is or isn't in reality, so why are you bringing it up? Doesn't really apply here.

Where am I saying "he's not doing anything"? Again, your interpretation of my words is outlandishly off base. How have you taken what I'm saying about Sean's contract status and applied it to Pusha.

How are they even comparable? Pusha has been around for a decade and put his first album out in 2002 and has put out 2 since. Sean put out his first mixtape 5 years ago.

If Kanye is developing Pusha, cool. As of right now, not seeing where it's going since he signed. I feel like he's developed already so I thought this process would move quicker and we'd have some solo material and be looking at an album. But 2 years later, it hasn't happened.

As I've said previously, if that changes, then that's a good look for Push, and ultimately that's what I hope goes down.

This is just ridiculously off base now BTW.

I'd say Cyhi is on a backburner too honestly if you ask me. Dude has HAD bangers, just like Big Sean HAD bangers. But you know it takes more than bangers to "make it" and you need that "push" from the "invisible hand" 

The problem is that you're not applying the same standard to new guys as you are to Pusha. 

But Pusha was never a solo act in the first place. If you're apart of a group your whole career you're essentially a feature artist in a sense until you show that you aren't. 

Thats all Pusha has been doing his whole career. Other people's songs. 

Kanye has allowed him to do that, just on a WAY bigger level. He may not be more popular in the sense of him as an artist, but he sure is in the forefront more often and gets way more looks than he with the Clipse in 2009 off the Kanye look alone. 

The only question here is this:

Where would Pusha T be without Kanye right now?

And you KNOW the answer to that.

To say Kanye hasn't helped is ridiculous. Pusha may never put out a solo album...but when has he ever done that? 

 

[illphillip]

You get that "push" from the "invisible hand" (dude, do you hear yourself? I know there is business involved but you sound ridiculous) when you make "bangers" that have mainstream potential.

Fret not. CyHi isn't on a "backburner". He just has to keep doing his thing and learning how to make great records. That's not a backburner. He's never had an album, single or a major feature I can think of. People don't really know who he is. You put out tapes so that....people get to know who you are.

Just like Sean did. Hopefully it pays off for CyHi eventually. You never know what may or may not be happening behind the scenes.

So why would I apply the same standard to Pusha that I do to new guys when Pusha isn't a new guy? They're not comparable, yet you keep trying to compare.

How has Push been doing "other people's songs"? He was 1/2 of the Clipse and they were Clipse songs.

They were as much his as they were Malice's? It was a duo. He wasn't in Wu Tang. You go to such unreal extremes to try to prove a point that you lose in entirely.

Kanye has allowed him to do that, just on a WAY bigger level. He may not be more popular in the sense of him as an artist, but he sure is in the forefront more often and gets way more looks than he with the Clipse in 2009 off the Kanye look alone.

To say Kanye hasn't helped is ridiculous. Pusha may never put out a solo album...but when has he ever done that?

How do you manage to contradict yourself so quickly? How is he doing it on a "WAY bigger level" if he's not "more popular in the sense of him as an artist"? What is the "forefront" and what are "more looks" if you're saying he may not be more popular in the next breath?

If he's never put out a solo album and may never....then where is the major assist?

You're asking this question.....you know.....the "only question here" according to you....

Where would Pusha be without Kanye? I don't know. Neither do you. I do know he did very well for himself before Kanye.

Even had a more successful clothing line. We all forgot that too (shout out to the homie Marlon for the reminder).

So since neither of us can definitely answer the "only question here"....where does that leave us?

Still wondering what's next for Pusha T. That's also happened before.

Yo, all that quoting took legit effort. How do you do that ****?!??!

 

[futuremd]

You get that "push" from the "invisible hand" (dude, do you hear yourself? I know there is business involved but you sound ridiculous) when you make "bangers" that have mainstream potential.
 

Big Sean was making records that weren't any different from what garnered him commercial success. You know that there are tons of artists with great songs that don't get commercial support.

There is a machine.

That machine wasnt there for sean for a long time. 

Fret not. CyHi isn't on a "backburner". He just has to keep doing his thing and learning how to make great records. That's not a backburner. He's never had an album, single or a major feature I can think of. People don't really know who he is. You put out tapes so that....people get to know who you are.

Just like Sean did. Hopefully it pays off for CyHi eventually. You never know what may or may not be happening behind the scenes.

So why would I apply the same standard to Pusha that I do to new guys when Pusha isn't a new guy? They're not comparable, yet you keep trying to compare.

Because you're being impatient more or less with his success. You're not taking into account how Cyhi and Big Sean had to grind it out as well. Thats my point here. Pusha was NEVER a solo artist, so why are you expecting him to just automatically jump into that? He's either going to do it, or hes not. 

You realize that Pushas only success has been WITH someone else. 

As a solo artist, he is in absolutely new territory. Don't you get that? 

If your whole career is you rapping alongside someone else, you're a feature artist in the technical sense. It is what it is.

Your career is defined by more or less 1:30 spots...not all 3ish minutes of just you. 

They were as much his as they were Malice's? It was a duo. He wasn't in Wu Tang. You go to such unreal extremes to try to prove a point that you lose in entirely.

Nope.

They were Pusha and Malice songs. They just called themselves The Clipse. They were each other's feature artists. 

Its easy to carry a song when you do half the work.

Kanye has allowed him to do that, just on a WAY bigger level. He may not be more popular in the sense of him as an artist, but he sure is in the forefront more often and gets way more looks than he with the Clipse in 2009 off the Kanye look alone.

To say Kanye hasn't helped is ridiculous. Pusha may never put out a solo album...but when has he ever done that?

How do you manage to contradict yourself so quickly? How is he doing it on a "WAY bigger level" if he's not "more popular in the sense of him as an artist"? What is the "forefront" and what are "more looks" if you're saying he may not be more popular in the next breath?

I actually didn't.

I'm saying that he may not be more popular than he was with The Clipse...as a member of the Clipse, but he is more ACCESSIBLE via Kanye right now than he was with The Clipse.

Do you see what i'm saying?

Juicy J may not be more popular as he was as a member of Three 6...but he is more ACCESSIBLE via Wiz than he was with Three 6. 

If he's never put out a solo album and may never....then where is the major assist?

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Pusha wasn't going to be in a position to put out a solo album?

I mean his whole career has been based off of collaboration...and now you're expecting him to excel in the solo lane? Let him show you that he can do that, otherwise, he'll continue to excel where he has always done so...and thats alongside or behind someone else. 

You're asking this question.....you know.....the "only question here" according to you....

Where would Pusha be without Kanye? I don't know. Neither do you. I do know he did very well for himself before Kanye.

He did well for himself WITH his brother.

You keep forgetting this. 

Pusha T was never just Pusha T by himself. 

Even had a more successful clothing line. We all forgot that too (shout out to the homie Marlon for the reminder).

WITH HIS BROTHER...

So since neither of us can definitely answer the "only question here"....where does that leave us?

Still wondering what's next for Pusha T. That's also happened before.

Yo, all that quoting took legit effort. How do you do that ****?!??!

I have no problem "speculating" whats next for the baby brother of The Clipse, but for you to say that Kanye hasn't helped this man is just downright ludicrous, and thats what started this whole argument. 

If anything Pusha is doing what he has ALWAYS been doing and thats assisting others...and being in a group is NOT being a solo artist. 

 

[ninjahood]

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