Information Technology (IT)

[HankHill]

We havent discussed compensation at all. It just a number I pulled from Glassdoor. You think I should ask for that average (120k) even if I dont think my skills or knowledge are worthy of that yet?

If you think you're good enough to interview for the job, why wouldn't you think you're good enough to ask for the pay?

 

[unkn0wn]

If you think you're good enough to interview for the job, why wouldn't you think you're good enough to ask for the pay?

Lack of experience and knowledge. I can hold the same title as somebody else but if theyre more knowledgeable then I'd expect them to get paid more.

Im probably gonna go for it though. Just dont want it to work against me. 

 

[luckyluchiano]

Got a senior business analyst interview coming up next week. Im underqualified in terms of the yearly requirements but Ive had experience doing everything listed in the duties/responsibilities section. Hopefully I can get it and get fat pay jump. Googled up the Sr BA salary for the company and it was averaging $125k but I dont think Im worth that much right now lol.

where in Cali are you? because 120k is not a lot for a Senior Role if you are in the Bay area, because that translates to about 75-85k in most other cities which is the correct Salary for a Senior BA that meets min qualifications (4-5 yrs experience).

Shoot your shot bruh, most you will get is a rejection email.

 

[unkn0wn]

where in Cali are you? because 120k is not a lot for a Senior Role if you are in the Bay area, because that translates to about 75-85k in most other cities which is the correct Salary for a Senior BA that meets min qualifications (4-5 yrs experience).

Shoot your shot bruh, most you will get is a rejection email.

San Diego

 

[luckyluchiano]

At a crossroads where I'm debating getting an AS in Computer Information Systems from the local CC or just getting my min requirements and pushing for a Masters. Been looking at the background and curriculum and feel that I'm nowhere near what they're expecting for Master's degree candidates. Also, cost plays a major factor where I know I can swing paying for a few classes to get the AS out of pocket but can't really afford the Master's programs and don't think I'd get the loans.

do you already have a degree? If so just go straight to a masters program. They will make you take transitional courses if your degree wasn't in a Tech related area.

 

[dathbgboy]

At a crossroads where I'm debating getting an AS in Computer Information Systems from the local CC or just getting my min requirements and pushing for a Masters. Been looking at the background and curriculum and feel that I'm nowhere near what they're expecting for Master's degree candidates. Also, cost plays a major factor where I know I can swing paying for a few classes to get the AS out of pocket but can't really afford the Master's programs and don't think I'd get the loans.

do you already have a degree? If so just go straight to a masters program. They will make you take transitional courses if your degree wasn't in a Tech related area.

Yea, and I'm going back to take my prereq courses starting this summer if everything goes to plan. Going to take Java, Calc (or Business Calc), a stats course, and one other prereq. I'll start studying for the GRE after I take my CAPM exam. Biggest hurdle will be recommendation letters and money for school.

 

[capital sb]

 
San Diego

I say ask for it. They will determine your worth, most of the times companies offer less than what you ask for anyway.

If they give you exactly what you asked for you left money on the table.

I also agree with Lucky 125K is low for a senior position.

 

[luckyluchiano]

I say ask for it. They will determine your worth, most of the times companies offer less than what you ask for anyway.
If they give you exactly what you asked for you left money on the table.

I also agree with Lucky 125K is low for a senior position.

Yea in ATL 125k sounds about right for a senior gig but in DC,Cali, NYC hell no lol. Programmers make more than BAs ( a tad more on average). 125k in San Diego is about 87k in ATL, so one thing you have to keep in mind is some companies use the term Senior differently. In some jobs Senior is another name for someone who isn't a Junior but not a Lead, while other companies a Senior job is the equivalent to a Lead. 87k in ATL for a Non Lead role is about right on the higher end, but a lead/principal should be a min 115k in ATL which would be 164k in San Diego.

Lead/Principal are pretty much the highest you go before management. Either way though chase that money because if you get the role then you have legitimate leverage for a salary bump the next time you look for a gig.

 

[unkn0wn]

 
I say ask for it. They will determine your worth, most of the times companies offer less than what you ask for anyway.

If they give you exactly what you asked for you left money on the table.

I also agree with Lucky 125K is low for a senior position.

He was saying $125k is low in the bay area. I don't live or work there any more but the average salary in the bay area is about $125k:

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/...s-analyst-salary-SRCH_IL.0,8_IM761_KO9,32.htm

Definitely not low in San Diego, where the average is ~90k

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/...-analyst-salary-SRCH_IL.0,9_IM758_KO10,33.htm

Yea in ATL 125k sounds about right for a senior gig but in DC,Cali, NYC hell no lol. Programmers make more than BAs ( a tad more on average). 125k in San Diego is about 87k in ATL, so one thing you have to keep in mind is some companies use the term Senior differently. In some jobs Senior is another name for someone who isn't a Junior but not a Lead, while other companies a Senior job is the equivalent to a Lead. 87k in ATL for a Non Lead role is about right on the higher end, but a lead/principal should be a min 115k in ATL which would be 164k in San Diego.

Lead/Principal are pretty much the highest you go before management. Either way though chase that money because if you get the role then you have legitimate leverage for a salary bump the next time you look for a gig.

Software developers/engineers earn more but not pure programmers, who are not involved in the whole SDLC process, just hired to code some basic lines. Agreed about the title. Every company classifies things differently.

I see the average salary at ~83k in ATL

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/...ss-analyst-salary-SRCH_IL.0,7_IM52_KO8,31.htm

Funny cause I was actually offered to relocate to ATL for the same pay that Im earning now. That's why I'm looking for a new job. I dont agree that the difference is anywhere near 125k to 87k though (between SD and ATL).

 

[luckyluchiano]

He was saying $125k is low in the bay area. I don't live or work there any more but the average salary in the bay area is about $125k:
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/...s-analyst-salary-SRCH_IL.0,8_IM761_KO9,32.htm

Definitely not low in San Diego, where the average is ~90k
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/...-analyst-salary-SRCH_IL.0,9_IM758_KO10,33.htm

Software developers/engineers earn more but not pure programmers, who are not involved in the whole SDLC process, just hired to code some basic lines. Agreed about the title. Every company classifies things differently.

I see the average salary at ~83k in ATL
https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/...ss-analyst-salary-SRCH_IL.0,7_IM52_KO8,31.htm

Funny cause I was actually offered to relocate to ATL for the same pay that Im earning now. That's why I'm looking for a new job. I dont agree that the difference is anywhere near 125k to 87k though (between SD and ATL).

the 125k to 87k is based on a cost of living calculator.

People get caught up in numbers but dont factor in cost of living.

People could be making 40k in ATL right now and get a job offer for 80k in NYC and think they came up not realizing 40k in ATL is damn near = to 80k in NYC.

83k in ATL will take you much further than 83k in San Diego.

 

[unkn0wn]

the 125k to 87k is based on a cost of living calculator.

People get caught up in numbers but dont factor in cost of living.

People could be making 40k in ATL right now and get a job offer for 80k in NYC and think they came up not realizing 40k in ATL is damn near = to 80k in NYC.

83k in ATL will take you much further than 83k in San Diego.

That's a flawed  incomplete way of looking at it. CoL is only one of many factors that affect the salary, like supply & demand of the talent pool in a given city. The link I provided are a far more accurate representation of what the average salary is in a given city.

My first job out of college, I was given an offer for the same pay despite having the option to move to Sacramento, Austin, or Houston. If i wanted to work at the Palo Alto office, I was told that I would get a 7% salary increase despite the CoL being significantly higher than any of those ot her cities. Obviously an anecdote but just a point Im trying to convey.

 

[capital sb]

That difference sound right. Money goes much further in ATL, salaries aren't nearly as high.

From that link the average is 108K for San Jose. I'd take 85K in ATL over 105K (give or take) in Cali.

Glassdoor shows supply and demand?

Talking about salaries, I got a 5% raise today and was told I will be promoted to a Software Engineer II next year at review time.

Beyond happy and excited about being promoted so early. The raise was expected my manager gives 5% raises yearly until you hit the max salary.

I was told I am on track to be a Software Engineer III by my 5th year.

 

[unkn0wn]

 
That difference sound right. Money goes much further in ATL, salaries aren't nearly as high.

From that link the average is 108K for San Jose. I'd take 85K in ATL over 105K (give or take) in Cali.

Glassdoor shows supply and demand?

Talking about salaries, I got a 5% raise today and was told I will be promoted to a Software Engineer II next year at review time.

Beyond happy and excited about being promoted so early. The raise was expected my manager gives 5% raises yearly until you hit the max salary.

I was told I am on track to be a Software Engineer III by my 5th year.

Congrats. Both of my last two companies have been stingy with annual raises so I found job hopping to be my preference.

 

[capital sb]

 
Congrats. Both of my last two companies have been stingy with annual raises so I found job hopping to be my preference.

Thanks, can't blame you for job hoping some companies are disrespectful with raises and promotions.

Maybe ask for 105K and then go from there if they are interested in hiring you.

Honestly if I could get my same salary in ATL and keep my clearance I'd go in a heartbeat 

 

[unkn0wn]

 
Thanks, can't blame you for job hoping some companies are disrespectful with raises and promotions.

Maybe ask for 105K and then go from there if they are interested in hiring you.

Honestly if I could get my same salary in ATL and keep my clearance I'd go in a heartbeat 

Definitely makes sense from a financial perspective but I love living here too much. Already tried the move-for-a job thing and ended up leaving after 1 year. Plus I want my severance package 

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[luckyluchiano]

Thanks, can't blame you for job hoping some companies are disrespectful with raises and promotions.

Maybe ask for 105K and then go from there if they are interested in hiring you.

Honestly if I could get my same salary in ATL and keep my clearance I'd go in a heartbeat 

exactly CoL has EVERYTHING to do with everything lol.

I rather make 70k in ATL than make 120k in Silicon Valley. I wouldn't even feel right making that much money with how outrageous the cost of living is.

 

[capital sb]

exactly CoL has EVERYTHING to do with everything lol.

I rather make 70k in ATL than make 120k in Silicon Valley. I wouldn't even feel right making that much money with how outrageous the cost of living is.

Lol it would take a lot for me to move to an extremely high CoL, 120K ain't cuttin it lmao.

 

[unkn0wn]

QoL > CoL bruh 

 

I dont care about being rich. Just want enough to buy a house, travel several times a year, buy weed & alcohol.

 

[capital sb]

QoL is all subjective, CoL isn't there is no debate there lol.

To me, more money and affordable living = higher quality of life and more freedom

 

[luckyluchiano]

Lol it would take a lot for me to move to an extremely high CoL, 120K ain't cuttin it lmao.

yup lol I aint leaving ATL for less than 180-200k

 

[unkn0wn]

yup lol I aint leaving ATL for less than 180-200k

Word, it aint easy leaving a city you got ties with either. You wont earn that much even in the bay area unless youre a manager or higher though.

Wish more people took  your approach cause I feel we got too many people moving here. I know a lot ppl are flocking to ATL and Houston too for the job market though.

 

[luckyluchiano]

Word, it aint easy leaving a city you got ties with either. You wont earn that much even in the bay area unless youre a manager or higher though.

Wish more people took  your approach cause I feel we got too many people moving here. I know a lot ppl are flocking to ATL and Houston too for the job market though.

yea like 20-40k extra is nice, but it aint life changing compared to doubling your salary.

 

[Mark Antony]

I've heard of a couple of folks who facebook recruited, the lowest was 250k off top, so those opportunities exist.

 

[luckyluchiano]

I've heard of a couple of folks who facebook recruited, the lowest was 250k off top, so those opportunities exist.

Cats at Facebook also work 70-80 hr weeks lol no thanks papi. The goal is to work smart not hard, higher up you go "less" you should work

 

[capital sb]

Cats at Facebook also work 70-80 hr weeks lol no thanks papi. The goal is to work smart not hard, higher up you go "less" you should work

Lol you are hipp. Google, FB , Microsoft, start ups all companies that burn you out having you live on campus for the money, no thanks.