Is Carmelo Anthony Still Top 10? *Seriously??* 4/8/12

[maxelite]

Originally Posted by 703 Hwy

I was following until yall said BOTH ends of the floor

But let's come back to earth it's still a first round exit for the Knicks.

He IS playing well on Defense though

 

[rashi]

Originally Posted by 703 Hwy

I was following until yall said BOTH ends of the floor

But let's come back to earth it's still a first round exit for the Knicks.

Melo has been guarding Boozer/Deng and LeBron/Bosh for the past week and shutting them down when he was switched on them.

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

Originally Posted by 703 Hwy

I was following until yall said BOTH ends of the floor

If you watched the games in the past few weeks instead of relying on Sportscenter/Youtube highlights, you'd understand why.

Originally Posted by rashi

Originally Posted by 703 Hwy

I was following until yall said BOTH ends of the floor

But let's come back to earth it's still a first round exit for the Knicks.

Melo has been guarding Boozer/Deng and LeBron/Bosh for the past week and shutting them down when he was switched on them.

Let's not get carried away now.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

@ Shutting down. He has been defending very well, though. Hope Amar'e is taking notes. Doubt it, though.

 

[losalmighty]

a first round exit for the Knicks is not indicative of Melo or the team. Too many ups and downs this year. January killed us. Who is going to take out Chi or Mia in a 7 game series? If we play any other team outside of the top 2 in the first round, we would win the series.

 

[trasoul82]

Any Advanced Statisticians want to explain his play this month?

Why are all of the calculators put away when he appears to play well?

C'mon... I know you guys have something. I mean, he had 5 turnovers and almost fouled out of the game when the team needed him most. There's gotta be some numbers that show how bad he was last night, at least.

Plus he's fat and only wants to shoot and play no defense.

 

[bhzmafia14]

Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Any Advanced Statisticians want to explain his play this month?

Why are all of the calculators put away when he appears to play well?

C'mon... I know you guys have something. I mean, he had 5 turnovers and almost fouled out of the game when the team needed him most. There's gotta be some numbers that show how bad he was last night, at least.

Plus he's fat and only wants to shoot and play no defense.

  

 

[big j 33]

Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Any Advanced Statisticians want to explain his play this month?

Why are all of the calculators put away when he appears to play well?

C'mon... I know you guys have something. I mean, he had 5 turnovers and almost fouled out of the game when the team needed him most. There's gotta be some numbers that show how bad he was last night, at least.

Plus he's fat and only wants to shoot and play no defense.

What point are you trying to make?

If he's playing well, advanced stats would show that as well

I love how people think everyone who uses advanced stats only looks at numbers and never watches games. Advanced stats serve the same purpose basic statistics do, a means of measuring and evaluating games/players.. who claims they're a perfect prediction of the future?

 

[alleniversonfan01]

Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Any Advanced Statisticians want to explain his play this month?

Why are all of the calculators put away when he appears to play well?

C'mon... I know you guys have something. I mean, he had 5 turnovers and almost fouled out of the game when the team needed him most. There's gotta be some numbers that show how bad he was last night, at least.

Plus he's fat and only wants to shoot and play no defense.

 

[rashi]

[h2][/h2]

[h2]Lebron James vs. Carmelo Anthony – Analyzing every possession[/h2]
Carmelo Anthony is arguably the most complete offensive player in the game and Lebron is widely regarded as the most versatile.  These guys have been duking it out since their high school days and find themselves years later as perennial all stars trying to win their first championship.  Anthony had a slow start to the season but has picked it up as of late and has been playing at a high level since Woodson took over while Lebron is having another MVP caliber season.  For reference, here’s the past editions of this feature: Lebron vs. Durant (Part 1, Part 2), Jeremy Lin vs. Derrick Rose, Kevin Love vs. Blake Griffin.

In an attempt to objectively judge who comes out on top, I’ll go with a system as follows:

• +3 bonus for any basket scored in the final 2 minutes of the game if the difference is ≤5 points
• +2 for each foul drawn, blocked shot, steal on the other
• +2 for taking a charge
• +1 for each assist
• +1 for any pass leading to free throws
• +1 for each rebound/assist/steal/block on anyone else etc.
• +1 for each point scored on anyone else
• +1 bonus for scoring on each other
• +1 for forcing a missed shot on each other
• +0.5 for forcing a missed shot on anyone else
• +0.5 for forcing a jump ball, saving a possession by diving for a loose ball, hustle plays, etc.
• +0.5 for a screen leading to a made basket
• -1 for getting scored on by anyone else
• -1 for a shooting foul or foul in the opposing half
• -1 for a missed shot
• -2 for a turnover
• -2 for a technical/flagrant foul

1st quarter

• +1 Anthony – Misses a mid range jumper on a curl
• +1 James – Hits Bosh on a cut for an easy dunk
• +1 James – Defensive rebound
• +2 Anthony – Draws a foul Haslem on a strong take to the basket and splits the free throws
• -1 James – Misses an open three from the top of the key
• +2 James – Throws down an alley oop  in transition from Wade
• -1 Anthony  - Goes baseline against Lebron and misses a reverse
• +3 Anthony – Gets his own rebound and tips it in
• +3 Anthony – Gets by Lebron off the dribble and hits a pull up jumper
• +2 James – Hits a face up jumper from the elbow over Fields
• +1 James – PIcks off a poor Shumpert pass
• -1 Anthony – Chucks up a 30 foot brick at the end of the shot clock
• +0.5 Anthony – Good closeout forcing a Haslem miss
• +1 James – Great pass to find Wade for an easy layup
• +1 Anthony – Defensive rebound
• +3 Anthony – Gets fouled by Haslem on a drive to the rim and hits both FTs
• +0.5 Anthony – Strips a Bosh take to the rim and forces a turnover
• +2 Anthony – Gets an easy dunk in transition
• +3 Anthony – Blows by Lebron and gets fouled by Lebron on his way to the rim; splits the FTs
• +1 James – Defensive rebound
• -2 James – Loses his handle and turns it over out of bounds
• -1 Anthony – Misses a step back jumper over Battier
• +1 James – Defensive rebound
• +3 James – Drains a 3 over Jeffries
• +3 Anthony – Draws a foul on Joel Anthony on a strong take to the rim and hits both FTs
• +1 Anthony – Defensive rebound
• +2 Anthony – Crosses over Battier and hits a long jumper
• -1 James – Front rims a three over Novak
• -1 Anthony – Misses a three over Battier
• (+21) for Anthony and (+9) for James in the first quarter.

2nd quarter

• -1 James – Misses a jumper over Novak
• +1 James – Defensive rebound
• +1 Anthony – Draws a foul on Battier on a box out
• +1 Anthony – Assists a Novak three
• +1 Anthony – Defensive rebound
• +2 Anthony – Blows by Wade and finishes easily at the rim
• +0.5 Anthony – Bodies up Haslem well in the post and forces a tough shot
• +1 Anthony – Hits an open Shumpert for a three
• +1 Anthony – Defensive rebound
• -1 Anthony – Misses a free throw line jumper
• +2 Anthony – Draws a foul on James fighting over a screen
• -1 James – Misses a short jumper over Davis
• +2 James – Makes a tough reverse layup after getting by Smith
• +1 Anthony - Defensive rebound
• +1 Anthony – Great pass finding an open Chandler for a dunk
• +2 James – Hits a long jumper over Fields
• +3 Anthony – Draws a foul on Miller with a pump fake and hits both FTs
• +2 Anthony – Stutter steps and freezes Battier and drains a long jumper
• +3 James – Blows by Anthony in transition and hits the layup
• +2 Anthony – Crosses over Battier and hits another long jumper from the opposite side of the floor
• +1 Anthony – Defensive rebound
• +1 James - Defensive rebound
• +2 James – Draws a shooting foul on a floater over Jeffries and splits the FTs
• -1 James – Misses a short jumper
• +3 James – Gets an offensive rebound, draws a shooting foul on Jeffries; splits the FTs
• (+18.5) for Anthony and (+11) for James in the second quarter.

Carmelo Anthony (+39.5) leads Lebron James (+20) by 19.5 at halftime.

3rd quarter

• +3 Anthony – Makes a tough baseline jumper over Lebron
• +4 James – Hits a spinning and one on Anthony but misses the FT
• +2 James – Hits a tough long jumper with a hand in his face
• -1 Anthony – Misses an open three in transition
• +1 Anthony – Draws an over the back foul on Haslem
• +2 Anthony – Gets by James and makes a tough layup over Bosh
• +2 James – Picks off a Davis pass and hits Wade driving to the rim for FTs
• +4 Anthony – Drains a three over James from the wing
• -1 James – Misses a long contested jumper over Fields
• +1.5 Anthony – Great defense stripping Lebron on the drive and forcing the turnover
• -2 James – Gets stripped by Anthony and commits the turnover
• +1 James – Defensive rebound
• -1 James – Misses a transition three over Anthony
• -2 James – Charges into Chandler for another turnover
• +1 James – Hits Wade on a duck in for a dunk
• -2 Anthony – Loses his dribble and turns it over
• +4 James – Gets Anthony to bite on a fake and hits both FTs
• -1 James – Misses an open wing three
• +1 Anthony – Assists a Chandler layup
• -1 James – Misses a face up jumper over Anthony
• +2 Anthony – Makes a tough sweeping hook in the middle of the lane over Battier
• +3 James – Takes it hard to the rim and draws a flagrant foul on Chandler; hits both FTs
• +0.5 Anthony - Great defense forcing Lebron baseline and into a turnover
• -2 James – Turns it over as he steps on out of bounds
• +2 James – Gets by Anthony and hits an easy layup at the rim
• +3 Anthony – Draws a three shot foul on Battier and hits two of three FTs
• -1 Anthony – Misses a mid range jumper
• +2 Anthony – Hits an easy layup at the rim
• -1 James – Misses a three at the buzzer
• (+16) for Anthony and (+
  
  for James in the third quarter.

4th quarter

• +3 Anthony – Tips in a JR Smith miss
• -1 Anthony – Fouls Wade off the ball
• +3 Anthony – Draws a shooting foul on Battier; hits both FTs
• +1 Anthony – Assists a Smith jumper
• -1 Anthony – Misses a mid range jumper
• +1 James – Defensive rebound
• -2 James – Errant pass leading to a turnover
• -2 James – Charges into Chandler again for another turnover
• -1 James – Misses a jumper over Anthony
• -1 Anthony – Misses a long turnaround jumper over Anthony
• +1 James – Defensive rebound
• +3 James – Drains a long jumper over Anthony
• -1 James – Misses a fading baseline jumper
• +1 Anthony – Defensive rebound
• -1 Anthony – Misses a long jumper
• +2 James – Hits a tough turnaround jumper over Shumpert
• +3 Anthony – Crosses over and hits a long jumper over Lebron
• -1 Anthony – Misses a three over Wade
• +1 James – Defensive rebound
• -1 James – Misses a three over Shumpert
• -1 Anthony – Misses a long 2
• (+5) for Anthony and (+1) for James in the fourth quarter.

[h3]Carmelo Anthony (+60.5) defeats Lebron James (+29) by 31.5 points.[/h3]


[h3][/h3]
LeBron shoots 53% for the season....Shoots 45% against the Knicks with 6 turnovers.

 

[crazy dav0]

how about the people that clowned him admit they were wrong ... the people that said he was top 5 calm down ... and everyone else just say they were right ... now we all can continue to watch this great stretch he's on

 

[Pathos]

Originally Posted by Big J 33

Originally Posted by TraSoul82

Any Advanced Statisticians want to explain his play this month?

Why are all of the calculators put away when he appears to play well?

C'mon... I know you guys have something. I mean, he had 5 turnovers and almost fouled out of the game when the team needed him most. There's gotta be some numbers that show how bad he was last night, at least.

Plus he's fat and only wants to shoot and play no defense.

What point are you trying to make?

If he's playing well, advanced stats would show that as well

I love how people think everyone who uses advanced stats only looks at numbers and never watches games. Advanced stats serve the same purpose basic statistics do, a means of measuring and evaluating games/players.. who claims they're a perfect prediction of the future?

i think he was being sarcastic my dude

 

[seymore cake]

Originally Posted by RounDaWay

Melo was considered top 3 in MVP ballots in 09-10 throughout the first couple months of the season before the injury and Karl's cancer.   

he was the front runner early in teh 06 season too... before he gave Jefferies that right and did the running man to the 3 point line on the other side of the court

 

[harlemtothebronx]

That man moonwalked to his bench.

 

[gregbutler20]

^I thought that was mardy collins?

 

[harlemtothebronx]

It was.

 

[shuges]

I'm not defending them, but in all fairness to some Knick fans, it was simply a case of not really knowing what Melo's capabilities were. Let's be real, most NY fans in here based their opinion mainly on advanced type stats and seeing Melo only when he played AGAINST the Knicks.


Now that those same people are forced to watch him on a nightly basis, some of them are slowly starting to come around. This ain't no Jeremy Lin type hot streak here. To paraphrase Melo: This is what he does!


Like I said before, as good as Lin played, no one in here in their right mind would suggest that Lin take more shots than Kobe, Bron, Durant, Dirk, etc., at any point, EVER. Yet, this same dude was suddenly the main/best option ahead of Carmelo Anthony?

 

[duba169]

dantoni would have been just fine with lin shooting more than melo

he is the biggest reason there was such an issue. such a stubborn dunce that got a strange pass from the NY media. And i literally mean dunce. a person incapable of learning.

 

[yeeupp]

Originally Posted by Seymore CAKE

Originally Posted by RounDaWay

Melo was considered top 3 in MVP ballots in 09-10 throughout the first couple months of the season before the injury and Karl's cancer.   

he was the front runner early in teh 06 season too... before he gave Jefferies that right and did the running man to the 3 point line on the other side of the court

I thought so, also

 

[GaBeGRaMz]

Melo is a NTer.

 

[goldenchild9]

That first quarter tonight was AMAZING.

 

[gregzzy23]

Originally Posted by GaBeGRaMz

Melo is a NTer.

I was just gonna say dude had to have read this thread

 

[ill steelo]

This is his best stretch of basketball since the beginning of his '06-'07 campaign when he had 30+ in 16 of DEN's first 22 games, and then his suspension coupled with the Iverson trade messed up the insane rhythm he was in.

 

[blackmagnus514]

Originally Posted by DubA169

dantoni would have been just fine with lin shooting more than melo

he is the biggest reason there was such an issue. such a stubborn dunce that got a strange pass from the NY media. And i literally mean dunce. a person incapable of learning.

this.

 

[iamdavidrice]

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