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Using per 36 minutes numbers isn't "shrinking the sample size." It's the same damn sample size.
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its goes both ways...alot of dudes only say wade was better because he gets blocks...Judging one's defense by steals per game.
its goes both ways...alot of dudes only say wade was better because he gets blocks...
neither guy was lockdown...we can all agree there...
thisYou guys really saying Wade is better than Iverson?
I'm not even a big Iverson fan, but that little guy was something else. 20-30 years from now, people will remember Iverson, before they remember Wade. Point blank. It shouldn't even be an argument.
Using per 36 minutes numbers isn't "shrinking the sample size." It's the same damn sample size.
Dwyane Wade vs Allen Iverson
Stats aren't everything, but yeah.
So why is 36 minutes per even necessary ? Isnt that like saying, if someone is the best 4th quarter scorer in the league theyre the best scorer in the league ?Using per 36 minutes numbers isn't "shrinking the sample size." It's the same damn sample size.
Isnt automatically going from reg season to post season shrinking the sample size....totally disregarding an entire 82 game season for 10-20 games and using that as a way to determine who's a better scorer doesnt seem accurate imo.
The fact that he had to say '' in the postseason '' smells like somebody looking for rogue statistics to mold their argument around despite what many other stats and even people say.
Originally Posted by JD617
Wade has scored more points per 36 minutes than Iverson (their prime years are basically a wash) AND done so with much higher efficiency. Higher/equal volume AND higher efficiency = better scorer, does it not?
Uhh no, they don't cancel each other out on defense. Prime Wade was a much better defender than Iverson. Even the biggest AI fans will admit that.okay, if they cancel each out on defense, let's look at offense.. is wade a better player than iverson offensively? imo i dont think wade even comes close to iverson..its goes both ways...alot of dudes only say wade was better because he gets blocks...
neither guy was lockdown...we can all agree there...
I did per 36 mins to show further you how wide the efficiency gap was since you were ignoring FG%.
And you still cannot grasp it . We're done here.
Why do you act like youre saying something so complicated brother, just because i dont agree doesnt mean i cant grasp the oh so complicated theory of per 36 minutes
They don't though.its goes both ways...alot of dudes only say wade was better because he gets blocks...
neither guy was lockdown...we can all agree there...
okay, if they cancel each out on defense.
Apparently you can't grasp it cause you think I used per 36 minutes just to bring their PPGs closer together .If I wanted to do that I would've used their regular season stats where it's 26 ppg vs. 25, with Wade still having a significant edge in efficiency..
I used per 36 stats to further highlight Iverson's inefficiency compared to Wade. He uses 5 more shots to score 1 point. If I'm choosing between two high volume scorers, I want the more efficient one. That's Wade.
They don't though.
That takes nothing away from the concept or the fact youre leaning on that 1 stat alone because its 1 of the very few if not the only stat that supports your argument.
*agrees* But this discussion is still early in Wade's career. In 5 more seasons everyone will have a better perspective.I can't believe Wade and A.I are being used in the same sentence. If they both entered HOF ballot same time you would literally have 95-5 vote out of 100 votes in favor of A.I
You really think if Wade entered a HOF ballot same time as the the 2 most prolific 3 point shooters Reggie Miller and Shuttlesworth he would come in first place over them
If Bron stays in Cleveland and Bosh in Toronto dude would still be the best player on a 6th seed team. Wade is one of the best to ever do it but 3rd place is way too high if Jordan is 1 and Kobe is 2 because I've never heard Wade come into any of the MJ vs Kobe convo's
are you serious?
You look at scorers by their volume (low or high) and their efficiency (low or high)
I'm "leaning on one stat" because that is the stat you use to differentiate between high volume scorers
It's like I'm explaining rudimentary things man
Wade is an efficient, high volume scorer. Iverson is an inefficient, high volume scorer.
I'll take Wade.
Does anyone else think Wade deserves props simply because he was willing to be the 2nd option to Lebron. How many superstars in professional sports today would consider doing that?Less Money,less touches,more winning-Kobe would never make these sacrifices to win. A healthy Wade in his prime is a greater player than a healthy Kobe in his prime.My opinion so don't get your panties in a bunch,kobe fans.
Wade's style of play where he leaves everything he has on the court reminds me of Jerry West. Both players have literally bled for their team over and over and over again. West broke his nose a dozen times in his career.
One more thing: If West just happened to have won five or six rings(the lakers didn't lose because of West being on the court) would he be considered better than Kobe and Wade? I think too much consideration is given to how many rings these guys have.
Not sure if seriousDoes anyone else think Wade deserves props simply because he was willing to be the 2nd option to Lebron. How many superstars in professional sports today would consider doing that?Less Money,less touches,more winning-Kobe would never make these sacrifices to win. A healthy Wade in his prime is a greater player than a healthy Kobe in his prime.My opinion so don't get your panties in a bunch,kobe fans.
Wade's style of play where he leaves everything he has on the court reminds me of Jerry West. Both players have literally bled for their team over and over and over again. West broke his nose a dozen times in his career.
One more thing: If West just happened to have won five or six rings(the lakers didn't lose because of West being on the court) would he be considered better than Kobe and Wade? I think too much consideration is given to how many rings these guys have.