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Then the problem is the music, not the age.
Then the problem is the music, not the age.
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I understand that this is your opinion, but it wasn't like MCHG wasn't received all that well. Quite the contrary actually. His solo tour did awesome. He went over half a million first week in this climate.
Everything suggest that the world isn't tired of him at all. The World likes his music, for one reason or another they do. So why should he stop?
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Jay's still winning though.. Album sold a milli, Had the tour with JT and Holy Grail was a HUGE hit record. The man is still a huge force in the industry.
.. that's true though. Kanye on some other **** I doubt Jay could even rap on one of his beats anymore. Meanwhile Ye is executive producing the mole rats album so we'll see how that turns out.
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If MJ was averaging 26 a game at 45 they would.
That's essentially what Jay Z is doing. Don't bring "Legacy" into this because you're romanticizing his career. Understand, whether he's "Living off of what he used to do" or not, there is still a huge desire for Hov's music. There's far more to suggest that Jay Z's music still hits the people hard. Far more than to say he's fallen off.
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Again, 680k first week says otherwise. Stans or not.
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Well, you said it here just misplaced some words. His quality of music has gone down with age. He's been putting out duds, he's rich as hell and not as hungry as he was. He has no competition around and people think he's the best alive for whatever reason. So age and time have played a role in his average and below average albums.
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The thing about MJ and Hov is that the NBA had talent to continue pushing the envelope, in rap and hip hop we don't have that; i don't care who the nicest young rapper is right now im pretty sure when it come to skills they cant crossover jay-z like Iverson crossed MJ.
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No. In your opinion his quality of music has gone down with age. Your opinion doesn't speak for everyone. What if I said I thought He's gotten better with age and that I loved magna Carta? You can't dispute that.
The only thing we can go by is how the people are receiving the music, and everything says that people are more than welcome and love Jay Z albums. He still moves more units than everyone in rap music today. Literally NWTS didn't move more than MCHG first week. Sales don't mean much, but in this respect they do. There's obviously a whole lot of people who still desire jay z music and as long as that's the case, I don't know how we can say his quality has declined or that he's too old to rap. In your opinion it may be so, but it's obviously shared by very few people.
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I think there are two different issues being discussed:
People who watched J rise and the music he put out during it dont want him to continue because he is far from what he once was.
People who see J as one of the main power player in the industry and musical icon dont mind him making music because ppl still purchase as much as they always have ( and he may have a joint or two)
His core doesnt support him as much. They pay attention to his moves but dont look to him for that kinda heat he used to supply becuase they dont get fed what they are used to getting. But where they have fallen off, new supporters have come in because of his legendary status and mass appeal.
His music may suck to those who was a fan of his older styles and lyricism. That what made him the best. But what he is now creates more impact and change to music and the world than before. ANd hes still using the same vehicle of music because it helps his newer world brand. "IF skill sold truth be told, I'de prolly be, lyrically Tablib Kweli....."
People who watched J rise and the music he put out during it dont want him to continue because he is far from what he once was.
People who see J as one of the main power player in the industry and musical icon dont mind him making music because ppl still purchase as much as they always have ( and he may have a joint or two)
His core doesnt support him as much. They pay attention to his moves but dont look to him for that kinda heat he used to supply becuase they dont get fed what they are used to getting. But where they have fallen off, new supporters have come in because of his legendary status and mass appeal.
His music may suck to those who was a fan of his older styles and lyricism. That what made him the best. But what he is now creates more impact and change to music and the world than before. ANd hes still using the same vehicle of music because it helps his newer world brand. "IF skill sold truth be told, I'de prolly be, lyrically Tablib Kweli....."
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To old for rap???
No.
I'm getting older myself and I'm good on Young Thug.
No.
I'm getting older myself and I'm good on Young Thug.
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Very interesting perspective.
You don't or people in general don't? If you are saying the latter then you couldn't be more wrong. There are plenty of new rock n roll acts, they just haven't become household names like the Legends because unlike rap music, rock artist will have to put out a lot of great albums before they are deemed great.
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- it's not an opinion that his last 3-4 albums are lazy and weak compared to RD, Vol 1 or BP.
- I don't care about his sales or popularity. It's cool to like Jay Z, people follow and buy that ****. Hip hop fans aren't loyal, they're followers.
"if buying records was like voting, different dudes would be on top"
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- Yes it is dude
what makes his last 3 to 4 albums lazy? Because you or someone else think they are? What the hell 
- You may not care about his sales or popularity, and the reasoning for why people buy Jay Z records is a moot point. Hip Hop fans being followers all of that is horse****. It doesn't matter. The Fact is plenty of people still like Jay Z enough to where he's the highest selling artist in Rap Music. Period. So, by that metric, (The only unbiased non subjective one) Jay Z hasn't fallen off, regardless of how you feel about his music.
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He's not the highest selling though
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- You may not care about his sales or popularity, and the reasoning for why people buy Jay Z records is a moot point. Hip Hop fans being followers all of that is horse****. It doesn't matter. The Fact is plenty of people still like Jay Z enough to where he's the highest selling artist in Rap Music. Period. So, by that metric, (The only unbiased non subjective one) Jay Z hasn't fallen off, regardless of how you feel about his music.
Eminem is
Also PAC has sold more albums than jay and jay has put out more material
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shoeking2101
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I'm talking about today, Pac obviously doesn't apply.
And Eminem...well Jay Z is second. The point still stands though.
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It's bizarre to me that Rap is the ONLY genre that shuns it's elders.
It's also bizarre to me that some of Rap's elders have to try to act and look like the youth in an attempt to stay relevant.
It's sad...and one of the reasons why the genre has gone to **** commercially.
It's also bizarre to me that some of Rap's elders have to try to act and look like the youth in an attempt to stay relevant.
It's sad...and one of the reasons why the genre has gone to **** commercially.
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The few that are still good when they get old still get their respect.
Ghostface, Scarface, Devin, Bun, Chef, etc. all get love still and are recognized as still being able to put out good work. Jay has put out 1 good album since his "retirement" so that's why we're over him. This Beyoncé album ain't gonna help his cause either.
Ghostface, Scarface, Devin, Bun, Chef, etc. all get love still and are recognized as still being able to put out good work. Jay has put out 1 good album since his "retirement" so that's why we're over him. This Beyoncé album ain't gonna help his cause either.
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Word.
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American Gangster is my 2nd or 3rd fav Jay-z album but since then his career has been forgetful. But I think dude is more interested in making songs like 'empire state of mind' and '****** in paris' nowadays.
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American Gangster is 
I hate hov gave "when the money goes" to fab
I hate hov gave "when the money goes" to fab
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- Yes it is dude
- You may not care about his sales or popularity, and the reasoning for why people buy Jay Z records is a moot point. Hip Hop fans being followers all of that is horse****. It doesn't matter. The Fact is plenty of people still like Jay Z enough to where he's the highest selling artist in Rap Music. Period. So, by that metric, (The only unbiased non subjective one) Jay Z hasn't fallen off, regardless of how you feel about his music.
Repped.. That's real..
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Ghostface Killah is 44, still dope, and I will continue to listen and buy his albums as long as he's making them.
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And why rap hasn't continued to grow as an art form since the 90's, and has regressed.
Grandmaster Caz & Melle Mel > Kool Moe Dee & LL > Rakim & Kane > Nas & Big....
Is Beyonce supposed to retire and make way for someone else, because she's 30?
Rap is so bad, because damn near everyone thinks they can rap. All you need is melody and a uptempo beat. No lyricism. No Skills.
Rap was the all star game, because it was the best of the best. Now it's your local playground.
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