Dude thinks he's doing it cuz he has 5 guys Kobe can't match.
Cuz being #6, #7, #8, #9, #10 or whatever other number he wants to make up all time is overrated.
IS KOBE BRYANT...OVERRATED?
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Dude thinks he's doing it cuz he has 5 guys Kobe can't match.
Cuz being #6, #7, #8, #9, #10 or whatever other number he wants to make up all time is overrated.
No hate at all man, glad you made the case. Now, please look at Pau's per game numbers, and place them with the past 40 FMVP's in history. (note, I have done the legwork, I know the answers, but please, I want you to see it)
Pau's numbers, while nice, DO NOT match up with about 36-37 of the previous MVP's. Some of the ones they do match with, Magic in 1980 who won because of his game 6, when Kareem was injured. Maxwell in 81 I believe and one of Magic's which he averaged nearly a triple double a game, but less than 20 points per game. (if I remember that right) Then throw in Billups from 04.
Every single other MVP was the leading scorer, close to 26-27-28 PPG, + whatever other stats in the series. All of them. RARELY was there ever a guy that didn't lead his team that won MVP, and ZERO that were close to 30 a night. Kareem would count in 1980, but he missed the clinching game when Magic sealed it with a historic performance. Pau was not historic in game 7, and Kobe did not miss that game, he just missed a lot of shots.
He still lead the team in points, had 15 boards, the key assist to Artest (much like MJ to Kerr or Pax) and he had the most 4th quarter points as well. Kareem is the MVP in 1980 if he plays game 6 and they win, then there would be one less historical precedent for someone to point to. No hate tho, thank you for at least making a case and not switching your argument 15 different ways like cartunes.
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So you call me dumb, curse at me and im not even snitching so I hope you dont get hit or nothing but Im just pointing out the cult like atmosphere
But yea handle ya emotions b..:this is just a sports debate...this **** happens all the time outside the internet..
And pardon me for ANSWERING you and then just assuming you was responding directly to me...my bad
To ya points. I ignored the playoff categories for a reason. You cant compare that to other players who had to play on the teams they were actually drafted by and didnt have the playoff runs Kobe had with a 7 footer at all times...but i digress
You keep saying HE WILL BE. How you know tho? Are you projecting another season like this one the rest of his career? He's already played more years than most of the players ahead of him in those categories...So if he's top 5..."WHY ISNT HE"?
Top 5 at his position is cool. Congrats I've already said he's my 2nd best SG. But we talking all time greats at every position I thought. And someone who shoots as much as Kobe for 18-20 years I WOULD HOPE attains the most points in NBA history...
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Wait, I thought Kobe was top 5 and 2nd to Jordan...we keep moving the invisible line when the numbers come out
Wait, I thought Kobe was top 5 and 2nd to Jordan...we keep moving the invisible line when the numbers come out
YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU keep saying top 5.
The people in here talking to you ARE NOT. AG, myself, XL, none of us have said that.
You have to be trolling. I got caught, you catfished me, you just bein dumb and I fell for it. ****.
Ok, dry your eyes bruh. I didn't call you dumb, I said you the least brightest. Big diff. I don't see any swearing, I only see ***** same as you just typed, so like I said, here's a tissue.
You clearly dont get it. You catfished me, I fell for it. My mistake.
When I say WILL BE, as I did with Lebron, saying WILL BE, it's because I don't have the numbers in my face. Off the top, I already KNOW Kobe is top 3-4 assists at SG. When he's done, ONE year (Bron needs about 4 I gave him credit for, Kobe only needs one, are you complaining about me granting Bron numbers? No) After just one more "Kobe" season, he will be #1 in assists. Rebounds I don't have, but I knoe he is close to passing MJ within a few games (again, not sure the actual factual number)
So my point is, was, and still remains, when he is done, he WILL BE atop the position in damn near everything points/rebounds/assists. Having played (you ready for this) 15-16 ALL NBA caliber seasons, first team, second team, All Star, TOP 5 MVP voting, seasons. 15-16. Not 8, not 10, not 6, 15 or 16. (depending on how he does next year, rest of this year, etc)
YOU, knock that, the majority of folk, do not. Stockton leads in assists, played a million years, you complaining? Kareem, most points, million years, you complaining?
Oh but Kobe played alot. Oh.
He is a TOP 10 ALL TIME NBA player. YOU keep saying 5, those of us arguing you are not saying that. Just cuz one Laker/Kobe troll says Kobe >>>>>>>>MJ means we all say that.
Top 10. You might want to say 12. Others 15. That's fine. They can list their reason, lists, etc, we can go over that, no prob. But those saying top 20, 25, 50 whatever, those folks are the same as the Kobe idiots that say Kobe >>>>>>>>MJ.
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Yo just say you don't have a point... Dude u just skipping across debates. Plenty people have said he's top 5...top 10....saying hes second to Jordan...I thought Jordan is top 5? Saying he's the best Laker ever.... When Magic and maybe Kareem are top 5 players... U EVER HEARD OF DEDUCTIVE REASONING B
Plenty people have said he's top 5...top 10....saying hes second to Jordan...I thought Jordan is top 5? Saying he's the best Laker ever.... When Magic and maybe Kareem are top 5 players... U EVER HEARD OF DEDUCTIVE REASONING B
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Kobe is starting tonight according to rumor so hard to put this man down and I'm not a fan. Count on Kobe.
Yo just say you don't have a point... Dude u just skipping across debates.
Read slow.
Second to MJ at SG is one thing.
Factor in Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird, whoever else backs him out of the top 5.
#2 SG does NOT = #2 overall.
We good here?
As for GLOAT, Kareem has plenty of career NOT on the Lakers? You with me? So Kareem can top Kobe ALL TIME, and still be behind him ALL TIME LAKER. You good? With me here man? Deductive reasoning working for you still?
As for Magic, it's debated back and forth by Laker fans. Some Kobe, some Magic. Depends who you ask. Totals wise, it's easy, Kobe been around long. Year by year wise, it could be Magic, his career was tragically cut short. He didn't get his last 4-5 glory years like what Kobe is in right now.
You with me still? Same page now? Or you going to switch up on me again?
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Ok.
You rounded Pau's numbers up while rounding Kobe's down. I see what you did there. (p.s. 48% if dramatically more impressive than 41% when you average 10 points less a game? Oh. I didn't realize.)
And even then, you still probably shouldn't have bothered making the "case".
Also you mention Kobe having only one more assist while being the primary ball handler.
Why didn't you mention Pau only averaging 3 1/2 more rebounds while Kobe is a guard and was the primary perimeter defender?
You weren't hating or trying to slant the stats though. Right.
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I got my stats from a webpage, Kobes ppg was also rounded up. If I was going to round up I wouldve rounded Pau to 12 rebounds a game or his blocks to 3 a game. If it offended you that much, I apologize. I didnt realize rounding .06 is the equivalent to having a case and not having a case.
And 48% is drastic when the team only shot 40% combined from the field.
Why would I mention Kobe deing the primary perimeter defender? Thats a Case for Kobes FMVP, which he won.
You wanted to see how Pau had A Case for FMVP, not Kobe.
You might not be a Laker fan but its clear you are a Kobe Stan.
But im done, I put out a Case, and a Case only.
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You chose to acknowledge some of Pau's stats as rounded up. Then rounded Kobe's stats down. Whether you did that or the site you chose to cite did that, it was done. When you're making an argument for one player over the other, an oversight like that stands out.
You mentioned Kobe ONLY having one more assist a game than Pau, even though Kobe is the chief ball handler. You mentioned Pau as having 11.5 rebounds a game, but left out that Kobe as the primary perimeter defender, spent most of his time on the perimeter. And STILL had just 3.5 rebounds a game less than Pau. You also left out that while Pau (who "saved Kobe" in game 7, by your own words had 18 rebounds, Kobe had 15. and STILL outscored Pau.) When you're making an argument for one player over the other, an oversight like that stands out.
48% is drastic when the team only shot 40% as a whole, yet it's embarrassing that Kobe only shot 41%? But you didn't emphasize that he shot 41% while averaging 10 points MORE than Pau a game. Right. The FG% is a strong case for Pau, and a knock on Kobe, but the gulf in points per doesn't mean as much. Oh. Ok.
Round up Pau's 3 blocks a game. But mention Kobe's 1 block a game as a guard, and 2 steals per.
You're "if it offended you so much" and "stan" comments are transparent. I won't address them.
When you want to play devil's advocate and argue that a case can be made for a player over another, don't back pedal and state that you yourself don't agree with the argument YOU'RE making, then throw jabs at others for not agreeing with the same ******** you're throwing.
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I stated there was a case, but never said Pau shouldve won it.
You then asked me to make the case just to keep the thread moving.
I obliged.
Now I'm backpedaling because I made the case you asked for...
You Win.
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Cartune says Pau was robbed of the FMVP. We're all like "Whaaaaaat???" You agree but change it to "Pau saved the team."
You begin your next point with the disclaimer "I don't agree with this though!"
Then why argue that Pau saved Kobe? Why say there's an argument for Pau being the real mvp if you yourself think it's hogwash.
Oh, because I forced your hand. I'm the one who told you to come to cartune's defense.
You then continue on that point and state that you can make a case for Pau being MVP
We ask to see said case.
You begin your next point with the disclaimer "I don't agree with this though!"
Then why argue that Pau saved Kobe? Why say there's an argument for Pau being the real mvp if you yourself think it's hogwash.
Oh, because I forced your hand. I'm the one who told you to come to cartune's defense.
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What's funny is that save 2 or 3 games Pau didn't even stand out in that finals series.
13 and 10 in game 3. 12 and 12 in game 5. 21 and 6 in game 4 where he made 3 baskets the entire second half.
But there's a case to be made that Pau was mvp. You're right.
13 and 10 in game 3. 12 and 12 in game 5. 21 and 6 in game 4 where he made 3 baskets the entire second half.
But there's a case to be made that Pau was mvp. You're right.
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Very first thing I said
Or you can point out where I agreed that Pau was robbed of a FMVP if this is not clear enough.
Or you can point out where I agreed that Pau was robbed of a FMVP if this is not clear enough.
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But you're right. 18 points 11 boards 4 assists 2 n half blocks while leading your team in FG% should deserve no consideration for the FMVP.
GO LOOK AT EVERY FINALS MVP EVER. These numbers are not close. Minus maybe 2-3 ever. If that.
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then what are you arguing for? did pau deserve to be mvp or not?
you're quoting stats and arguing one thing then saying but i don't believe that.
what is your point? it's either yes or no. if no, then what are you arguing about?
you're quoting stats and arguing one thing then saying but i don't believe that.
what is your point? it's either yes or no. if no, then what are you arguing about?
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My God, we're arguing A Case here, straight up Consideration. Winning an award and being considered for an award are not the same thing.
Here, let me use a different example with different players.
Lebron James is the MVP of the 12-13 season (assuming he wins).
There is a Case for Kevin Durant to be the MVP for the 12-13 season.
Im not saying KD should be the MVP, or is he robbed of an MVP but there is a Case for him to win the award.
Can I state the case even if I agreed with Lebron winning the MVP?
Here, let me use a different example with different players.
Lebron James is the MVP of the 12-13 season (assuming he wins).
There is a Case for Kevin Durant to be the MVP for the 12-13 season.
Im not saying KD should be the MVP, or is he robbed of an MVP but there is a Case for him to win the award.
Can I state the case even if I agreed with Lebron winning the MVP?
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I understand.
Let me try to clarify my annoyance:
It's one thing to say the argument exists, and to make it for the sake of playign devil's advocate, but what YOU are doing is making an argument and taking shots at us for disagreeing with it while also stating that you yourself disagree with it.
You're altering stats for the benefit of the argument you don't agree with, using slanted wording for that same reason, and throwing personal jabs all at the same time conceding that you think what you're saying is wrong?
Let me try to clarify my annoyance:
It's one thing to say the argument exists, and to make it for the sake of playign devil's advocate, but what YOU are doing is making an argument and taking shots at us for disagreeing with it while also stating that you yourself disagree with it.
You're altering stats for the benefit of the argument you don't agree with, using slanted wording for that same reason, and throwing personal jabs all at the same time conceding that you think what you're saying is wrong?
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cartune said pau was robbed. you seemingly agreed. i was like whoa. you then turned that to "i agree that pau saved the lakers (and presumably kobe since we're in this thread.)" i was like whoa. that then turned into "well, i don't agree but there's an argument to be made."
you're making the argument, calling me a stan for disagreeing with it, while also disagreeing with it yourself.
hence me saying you're backpedaling.
also your case is stupid.
you're making the argument, calling me a stan for disagreeing with it, while also disagreeing with it yourself.
hence me saying you're backpedaling.
also your case is stupid.
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