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Their won't be a repeat/three-peat for decades.
Is the era of top NBA players winning alot of titles over?
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Miami is definitely winning multiple titles. D.Wade is still in his prime and no doubt a top player.
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I dont think so. I mean right now the only elite players in the league with multiple rings are Kobe and Duncan. Wade only has one, Dirk has one, and I guess you can say that KG, Allen, and Pierce are elite players with one.
None of the other stars have any. Chris Paul, LeBron, Melo, Dwight, Rose....the list goes on...I can only see these guys winning maybe 1 or 2 rings maybe...except for LeBron...think he'll get bout 3...
I think what people fail to realize is that it takes a whole organization to win a ring...look at Dallas last year...everything fell into place...dudes act like one dude can win a ring by himself..
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The funny part is the elite players with multiple rings aren't done collecting yet. I could definitely see Kobe or Duncan adding another this year.
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Please take Kobe out of your avy......
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Let me add some perspective to this discussion. LBJ is in year 9. If he wins this year, he will be the same age MJ when he won his first ring. The first ring will always be the toughest to get. The Eastern Conference is not wide open. The Heat or Knicks will come out the east for years to come (sorry bulls fans). The Big 3 have 4 years remaining after this one ends, you figure at least they play in 2 more finals after this year and split that's 4 finals appearances and 2 rings. The east will become wide open on the downside of LBJ's career. I see Lebron and Wade winning atleast 3-4 titles before Wade retires. Once he retires Lebron will still have another 3 year window to win atleast 1 more between the age of 34-36. The West will be a lot tougher to get through. You got OKC who will be together for another decade, the Clips are coming, you know the league will make sure the Lakers are competitive, Memphis is tough, Dallas may add D.Will or D-12 this off-season. I wouldn't pencil in KD for all those titles just yet.
To me, quality is always better than quantity. If KD wins a bunch of rings but does so and the end of Lebron's career, how would view him as a player? I don't want to see KD will some titles when LBJ is out of his prime. Hopefully over the next 4-5 years the Heat Thunder will play in a couple of finals. After KD, I don't see a player in this league comparable to his talent and he only 23.
To me, quality is always better than quantity. If KD wins a bunch of rings but does so and the end of Lebron's career, how would view him as a player? I don't want to see KD will some titles when LBJ is out of his prime. Hopefully over the next 4-5 years the Heat Thunder will play in a couple of finals. After KD, I don't see a player in this league comparable to his talent and he only 23.
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Outside of Pistons, name me a championship team without at least one or multiple HOF or All-stars?. My 97-98 Pacers were a better TEAM than those Bulls. From top to bottom, that Pacers roster was loaded. Compare that roster to the Bulls roster. It aint even close. The Bulls had the best player (Hate you Mike) which is why they went to finals that year and ultimately won the title.
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Kobe Stan's offending Kobe Stan's. Hillarious
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Damn time flies...
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It's his 9th year, but still
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No.
What leads you to assume this OP? Of course, all posts and opinions on this topic are subjective, but I still have to believe that there are a few stars right now that will end up winning a few rings.
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Scalabrine gonna get his second ring before Lebron gets his first.
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I think it is, but I think that the level of the top teams has gone up, but the number of teams that can get to that level has gone up too.
It sounds like it makes no sense, but thats the reality.
The league is shifting more to the 80's style of play, but teams cant horde as many picks and or players as they used to.
That makes it so that more legit 3rd scorers, elite 6th men, and excellent rotation guys make it to FA. The money spread makes it so that if you arent elite or close to it at 28 you cant get over 5 million. That in turn creates more 2-4 year runs for a team where certain tweaks, and improved chemistry makes them a title team.
The league is on the verge of having a certain level of parity within the league. People can talk about Miami all they want, but I count 5 teams with legitimate current playoff resources to beat them, where as even the early Chicago title teams maybe had 2.
It sounds like it makes no sense, but thats the reality.
The league is shifting more to the 80's style of play, but teams cant horde as many picks and or players as they used to.
That makes it so that more legit 3rd scorers, elite 6th men, and excellent rotation guys make it to FA. The money spread makes it so that if you arent elite or close to it at 28 you cant get over 5 million. That in turn creates more 2-4 year runs for a team where certain tweaks, and improved chemistry makes them a title team.
The league is on the verge of having a certain level of parity within the league. People can talk about Miami all they want, but I count 5 teams with legitimate current playoff resources to beat them, where as even the early Chicago title teams maybe had 2.
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There is absolutely no evidence for this argument.
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The NBA is loaded with great perimeter players. Of the top ten players in the NBA, there is currently no bigman who dominates, in the paint and at both ends of the court (Dirk is a seven footer but he plays like a 3 and Dwight Howard is not dominant offensive force in the way that the truly great centers have been). Aside from Michael Jordan, great wing players are rarely able to win one or more titles as the clear cut focal point of their teams and without a great all around bigman (Bird and Magic and Kobe and Iiah Thomas all had great talent all around and in the paint during their title runs).
I doubt that we will see teams like Pistons and Lakers and Celtic from the 1980's so all of these great wing players today (aside from Kobe Bryant) have to take on the challenge that Michael Jordan had to and only MJ has been able to handle that challenge.
With so few truly great bigs and so many great wing players, the current generation of the NBA's young superstars could involve many greats who win between zero and one or two rings in their careers. If we ever do see someone as great as MJ or a big man who is as good as Shaq, Tim Duncan, Kareem, Hakeem or Bill Russell, we might see a player and a squad that can win three or more rings in a decade or less.
In short, the only three ways that you can win a bunch of rings is to have a vast preponderance of talent (which is hard to do with salary caps and expansion), having a top tier all time big or having Michael Jordan. With that in mind, expect rings to be pretty evenly distributed through out the 2010's and early 2020's.
I doubt that we will see teams like Pistons and Lakers and Celtic from the 1980's so all of these great wing players today (aside from Kobe Bryant) have to take on the challenge that Michael Jordan had to and only MJ has been able to handle that challenge.
With so few truly great bigs and so many great wing players, the current generation of the NBA's young superstars could involve many greats who win between zero and one or two rings in their careers. If we ever do see someone as great as MJ or a big man who is as good as Shaq, Tim Duncan, Kareem, Hakeem or Bill Russell, we might see a player and a squad that can win three or more rings in a decade or less.
In short, the only three ways that you can win a bunch of rings is to have a vast preponderance of talent (which is hard to do with salary caps and expansion), having a top tier all time big or having Michael Jordan. With that in mind, expect rings to be pretty evenly distributed through out the 2010's and early 2020's.
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Exactly why I say he's overrated. No way should a big man with the potential to dominate a game/the NBA like Dwight can, should not have a title this day and age.
Go ahead homeboy and jump ship and join Kobe or whomever, because as far as I'm concerned, you bummed out awhile ago. Fans robbed again.
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Agreed on so many levels.
Players are more athletic nowadays, but look at the league right now. We don't have one, not one dominant big man (first time in history). Dwight Howard nor Andrew Bynum can be classified as one, I don't care what ya'll say. In the 90's you had David Robinson, Hakeem, Shaq, and Patrick Ewing (arguably). The skill is not even comparable. Jordan still beat all those guys to, ruthless. Basketball IQ and skill has taken a backseat to athleticism.
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Oh.
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Explain yourself.
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79 Sonics only had one HOF'er
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I don't think its far fetched to say the Heat could win the title two of the next three years, that would give Wade 4 titles and Lebron 2 with a good bit of time left to get more. (Course I hope they don't win any at all but I'm just being realistic).
I think as long as the superstar players are with good franchises things won't change much even though there is more talent in the league right now than there was early in the decade.
I think as long as the superstar players are with good franchises things won't change much even though there is more talent in the league right now than there was early in the decade.
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If Scalabrine plays for the Bulls, then no, no he won't
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BINGO!
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the talent level in the NBA is better than it's ever been, and if you disagree you're just one of those dudes living in the past.
More good players in the league equals more good teams overall and with these new CBAs and what not it's tougher to build these super teams like the lakers and celtics had back in the day.
when is the last time you saw the whole western conference get 50 wins each like we did a few years a go?
thank you famb... I hate the way people talk about today's NBA... as if any super star today wouldn't go back 25-30 years and be out there MURKING fools.
