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Premo, Alc, Kanye, Buckshot, Havoc > Dilla
Dilla was nice as hell with it though
Dilla was nice as hell with it though
J Dilla Best Hip-Hop Producer Ever LMAO
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he really doesn't have the classic credentials that RZA, Premo, and Pete Rock have
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you can make a credible arguement for Dilla being the ebst ever..i dont see why the "LMAO" is needed like dude said something mad outlandish.Opinions are just that; not everyone is going to agree. I personally beleive Premo to be the best, but all that is is opinion.
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I'm a fan of all the producers you mentioned but they're not seeing Dilla (Premo I won't argue with like I said in a previous post), at least notyet. and how you gonna mention Buckshot...definitely a better rapper than Dilla but producer?
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Dude really did say Buckshot though
Buckshot is my DUDE but
Kanye over Dilla? I'm a huge Ye fan, I gave him his due with an honorable mention but better than Dilla?
Buckshot is my DUDE but
Kanye over Dilla? I'm a huge Ye fan, I gave him his due with an honorable mention but better than Dilla?
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Had to of, I wouldn't even be mad at that statement.
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ya darn tootin i meant buckwild....must've been the porn i'm downloading...buckshot was a freudian slip
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J Dilla's drums were knocking! He's definitely my personal favorite, especially after Donuts came out; that album changed my perspective on dude.
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dilla is severely overrated because of his death
because while he is one of the best producers ever, he is not the best
he sort of hit a glass ceiling towards the end of his career where his beats started sounding more like
"look at what i can do" as opposed to dope **# beats like his previous stuff
his drive and life story is admirable but he's not the best
rza being the GOAT is a bit unreasonable but he has the most classics out of any producer aside from dre and maybe primo
pound for pound, nobody is seeing dr. dre
because while he is one of the best producers ever, he is not the best
he sort of hit a glass ceiling towards the end of his career where his beats started sounding more like
"look at what i can do" as opposed to dope **# beats like his previous stuff
his drive and life story is admirable but he's not the best
rza being the GOAT is a bit unreasonable but he has the most classics out of any producer aside from dre and maybe primo
pound for pound, nobody is seeing dr. dre
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The only reason I have an issue with that statement is the fact that Dre never really produces the track himself. He has always had producers helping him outwith his tracks. To my knowledge, Rza, Premo, Pete Rock never needed an assist from anyone to produce their tracks.
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everybody dre has worked with is rightfully credited
paying somebody to play a bassline or the piano on a beat is within a producer's rights
i could see if somebody was creating an entire beat and dre was just taking it and slapping his name on it
but he's collaborating with skilled musicians to create his vision for music
and as a producer myseelf, there's nothing wrong with that
producers do it ALL THE TIME
most recently, just blaze paid somebody to play the keys on "live your life"
paying somebody to play a bassline or the piano on a beat is within a producer's rights
i could see if somebody was creating an entire beat and dre was just taking it and slapping his name on it
but he's collaborating with skilled musicians to create his vision for music
and as a producer myseelf, there's nothing wrong with that
producers do it ALL THE TIME
most recently, just blaze paid somebody to play the keys on "live your life"
tom jooks
Banned
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Dilla is overrated. He is good though.
Don't even ask this question on NT.
You got the backpacker and producers who are stuck in the 90's who praise pete rock, premo and all those other producers who loop and chop samples.
Then you got everyone else who likes producers that actually make music.
Don't even ask this question on NT.
You got the backpacker and producers who are stuck in the 90's who praise pete rock, premo and all those other producers who loop and chop samples.
Then you got everyone else who likes producers that actually make music.
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im a wu fan but rza ... really rza. his ill and everything but not top 5.
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Probably the single dumbest thing I've read in the music forum...Honeslty, do you even think before you type? You should be embarrassed.I'd be enthralled to know who these producers that actually make music are. That is if you want to be laughed at futher.
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He is definitely up there in the top five... Don't know where the 'LMAO' came from.
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Storch>*
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Blaze
Premo
Swizz
Kanye West
9th wonder
Dilla
Pete rock
Alchemist
Dilla was a great producer but nobody is fooling another person saying dilla's the best producer ever. THAT'S JUST STUPID {Stephen A. Smith Voice}
nobody liked/knew him till he died.
Premo
Swizz
Kanye West
9th wonder
Dilla
Pete rock
Alchemist
Dilla was a great producer but nobody is fooling another person saying dilla's the best producer ever. THAT'S JUST STUPID {Stephen A. Smith Voice}
nobody liked/knew him till he died.
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Actually, it's not the dumbest thing you have read. I work for Universal Music Group, and producers get sued for using keyboard SOUNDS! Youhave producers like Ryan Leslie for example who have been composing since they were like 10! Timbaland is also a composer (since he can compose beats off ofthe randomest samples and sounds) Then you have guys like Scott Storch. If you think very clearly, all music hasn't really changed--for example..theoriginal sample for Dre's Xplosive beat was a re-rendered Isaac Hayes song--that was later brought to liight that Scott Storch helped to ghost produce mostof that album.Originally Posted by purplehazze96
Probably the single dumbest thing I've read in the music forum...Honeslty, do you even think before you type? You should be embarrassed. I'd be enthralled to know who these producers that actually make music are. That is if you want to be laughed at futher.
All producers in the late 80's and early 90's know that real hiphop is all about sampling...hence the word biting. The original breaks used by a lotof previous producers were sampled...actually...a lot of the drum patterns you hear now are re-rendered with different synth and drum kits. Barry White'smusic was known to be commonly refered to for drum breaks, rita wright, even The Incredible Bongo Band.
The original sampler can only sample up to 10 seconds! New samplers now are so enhanced that its so easy for anyone to pick it up. For example premo stilluses a mpc60...that thing is almost impossible to use if you have an mpc2000xl b/c its based off of ear and not by wave length! So you'd have to betalented to even compose a sample off of that. Or the Sp 12 that was used in the start of the techno era and is still used by composers like COOL AND DRE tosynthesize in their keyboards for snares. Or how Kanye used an actual TR-808 drum machine for his recent album to compose only the drum synths in most ofthose songs...and actually had tribal drums played by live people.
When I met Kanye, he told me that he will always be a backpacker when it comes to his music. All of his drum kits are sampled, including the new Brooklyn wego hard track...actually...the original drum pattern was used by Dilla. Half of Common's Finding Forever album was Kanye using what Dilla would have usedwhen it came to drums.
But I do understand Tom Jooks because there are a ton of producers out their who compose their own music. Maybe Purplehazze96 needs to start being open mindedabout music and how Tom Jooks is sort of right in a way...because those styles or production brought in different types of composition. People who are stuckin the 80's and 90's who compose USING SAMPLERS and people of our common era who compose by ear. Which, those people who compose by ear...areinstrumentalists for these hiphop producers.
and that guys name is Jon Brion...here to you just in case
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Brion
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Blud spare me, the notion that Premo, Pete Rock, and sample based producers don't make real music is a matter of opinion I simply don't care todiscuss.
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Points for having Marley Marl and the Bomb Squad in a top ten.Originally Posted by purplehazze96
Dilla is ill. Remi I've heard you say more outlandish things.
My list looks something like this, in order but it could do with some rearranging:
1.Pete Rock
2.Premo
3.RZA
4. Dre
5. Dilla
6. Marley Marl
7. Bomb Squad
8. Prince Paul
9. Organized Noise
10. Q-Tip
Honorable Mention
Havoc
Alchemist
Kanye
Hi Tek
Khayree
Roblo
9th
El P
Just Blaze
hell too many to mention
And they always have/will. It's damn near criminal.
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It all depends on your taste. There will never be an actual "best"....it's all opinions. I rocks with Dilla tho.
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editttt
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i see someone mentioning in the argument of looping samples not actually qualifying for "making music"
timbaland samples A LOT
i have a 6 volume compilation of timbaland's samples
the difference between him and other usual suspects is that they actually clear most of their samples
while timbaland samples some obscure foreign music, loops it up and has everyone thinking he played it on a keyboard
which is why he gets sued every year
off the top of my head, he was sued for "put you on the game" and "ayo technology" because he did what i just said
timbaland samples A LOT
i have a 6 volume compilation of timbaland's samples
the difference between him and other usual suspects is that they actually clear most of their samples
while timbaland samples some obscure foreign music, loops it up and has everyone thinking he played it on a keyboard
which is why he gets sued every year
off the top of my head, he was sued for "put you on the game" and "ayo technology" because he did what i just said
