Originally Posted by
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Originally Posted by
purplehazze96
Originally Posted by Tom Jooks
You got the backpacker and producers who are stuck in the 90's who praise pete rock, premo and all those other producers who loop and chop samples.
Then you got everyone else who likes producers that actually make music.
Probably the single
dumbest thing I've read in the music forum...Honeslty, do you even think before you type? You should be embarrassed. I'd be enthralled to know who these producers that actually make music are. That is if you want to be laughed at futher.
Actually, it's not the dumbest thing you have read. I work for Universal Music Group, and producers get sued for using keyboard SOUNDS! Youhave producers like Ryan Leslie for example who have been composing since they were like 10! Timbaland is also a composer (since he can compose beats off ofthe randomest samples and sounds) Then you have guys like Scott Storch. If you think very clearly, all music hasn't really changed--for example..theoriginal sample for Dre's Xplosive beat was a re-rendered Isaac Hayes song--that was later brought to liight that Scott Storch helped to ghost produce mostof that album.
All producers in the late 80's and early 90's know that real hiphop is all about sampling...hence the word biting. The original breaks used by a lotof previous producers were sampled...actually...a lot of the drum patterns you hear now are re-rendered with different synth and drum kits. Barry White'smusic was known to be commonly refered to for drum breaks, rita wright, even The Incredible Bongo Band.
The original sampler can only sample up to 10 seconds! New samplers now are so enhanced that its so easy for anyone to pick it up. For example premo stilluses a mpc60...that thing is almost impossible to use if you have an mpc2000xl b/c its based off of ear and not by wave length! So you'd have to betalented to even compose a sample off of that. Or the Sp 12 that was used in the start of the techno era and is still used by composers like COOL AND DRE tosynthesize in their keyboards for snares. Or how Kanye used an actual TR-808 drum machine for his recent album to compose only the drum synths in most ofthose songs...and actually had tribal drums played by live people.
When I met Kanye, he told me that he will always be a backpacker when it comes to his music. All of his drum kits are sampled, including the new Brooklyn wego hard track...actually...the original drum pattern was used by Dilla. Half of Common's Finding Forever album was Kanye using what Dilla would have usedwhen it came to drums.
But I do understand Tom Jooks because there are a ton of producers out their who compose their own music. Maybe Purplehazze96 needs to start being open mindedabout music and how Tom Jooks is sort of right in a way...because those styles or production brought in different types of composition. People who are stuckin the 80's and 90's who compose USING SAMPLERS and people of our common era who compose by ear. Which, those people who compose by ear...areinstrumentalists for these hiphop producers.
and that guys name is Jon Brion...here to you just in case
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Brion
