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Some of us just refuse to eliminate a piece of our natural selves to conform to white supremacy. I understand both sides & im not knocking nobody but remaining true ain't for everybody.

 

[38816]

Some of us just refuse to eliminate a piece of our natural selves to conform to white supremacy. I understand both sides & im not knocking nobody but remaining true ain't for everybody.

he actually took it further than i wanted to.


i was making it a generational thing.

they want to exert control over you in every way they can.

We are much smarter at much younger ages than they were.

something as meaningless as hair, they will try to use to control you., simply to show that they can. It has NOTHING to do with professionalism.


I actually started growing out my hair when i started working for myself, and haven't cut it since......randomly. I didn't do it consciously because i worked for myself, i just did because i could.

I always wondered what our generation was going to change about the standards dinosaurs had on us.


Tattoos are CLEARLY acceptable in today's society. I remember, growing up, people would tell me "law firms won't even hire you now that you have a tattoo" LOL

i wonder if suits and haircuts will change, as well.

(hair has already started to change. All white guys rock is man buns now)

 

[antidope]

White Supremacy dude what

You guys are making it way bigger than it has to be. White people aren't waking into interviews looking crazy either. It's not white Supremacy it's professionalism

 

[dathbgboy]

It's a culture thing more than anything In some cultures, having locks is normal so it's not considered unprofessional, the tech culture is more laxed with jeans, khakis, hoodies, and sneakers.

 

[38816]

White Supremacy dude what

You guys are making it way bigger than it has to be. White people aren't waking into interviews looking crazy either. It's not white Supremacy it's professionalism

like i said, he took it way further than i wanted to take it. I was speaking moreso as a generational thing.


HOWEVER


Dreadlocks are "looking crazy"? braids are "looking crazy"? long hair, in general, not just in regards to black people, is "looking crazy"?

to who?

certainly not to black people.

in my last post, i addressed the difference between this and professionalism.

again, tattoos are now accepted in our society. Hair can't be more offensive than tattoos, can it?

(i wouldn't know, i don't let people's personal appearance offend me)


the supremacy comes in (and not necessarily racial) when they want to exert their will upon you for something as trivial as a haircut or a pair of shoes.

 

[38816]

many professional black people consider the discussion of "hair" as yet another coded way to discriminate.


and i know you're not going to argue that there aren't coded forms of discrimination in the workplace, still......

 

[38816]

the reason the tech field is more laxed is because it's run by the younger generation.

dinosaurs want to exert some worthless will over how you dress....just to show their power.


techies couldn't be bothered. they want results. they don't care what you look like, it isn't important. Its not even important you be there, in person, most of the time.

 

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Looking crazy?

Sound like some house nvm.

Different strokes. Like I said remaining true ain't for everybody *shrugs*

 

[dathbgboy]

the reason the tech field is more laxed is because it's run by the younger generation.

dinosaurs want to exert some worthless will over how you dress....just to show their power.


techies couldn't be bothered. they want results. they don't care what you look like, it isn't important. Its not even important you be there, in person, most of the time.

And that's why our generation tends to "struggle" when it comes to the workforce. I couldn't care less if you had long hair, short hair, no hair, wore a business suit or track suit, if you can't effectively and efficiently do your job w/o causing issues on the job, then coo. However, we're not in charge just yet, the Boomers and Gen X cats are and they do use it to have some sort of power over you. Most of the things they do is plain to see while others is only visible if you're affected by it or could be affected by it.

 

[antidope]

Looking crazy?

Sound like some house nvm.

Different strokes. Like I said remaining true ain't for everybody *shrugs*

"Remaining true "? For real man. So me getting a haircut and shaving for an interview isn't being true? People do that for way less important things, dudes clean up for dates via Tinder but do it to try and build your own life up and you're a sellout..

And on the subject of dreads and whatnot which clearly is what is being alluded to hear I would stand on the side of telling people to get rid of them. Not because of it being a race thing but just cause long hair doesn't fly

If a white guy walked in with a mullet he's not getting that job either

 

[therealrell]

House ***** and white supremacy because I got a dark caesar and made sure whatever facial hair I have is neat.

After you get the job you can do what you want if it falls in line with the company's culture. Until you get the job, you have to keep your appearance up.

I'm gone from this thread. LMK when the white supremacy and house ***** claims end.

 

[AZwildcats]

It's a weird subject for me. I have seen first hand the discriminatory practices employers and managers use when dictating how their employees dress. A ponytail or a part for a white dude = fine. Dreads or a part for a black dude = unprofessional. However this is chess, not checkers. To take the game we have to play the game, just don't forget the end goal. When you become manager or an employer yourself, you can implement the rules how you see fit

 

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@ Rell you all in your feelings & nobody even referenced you.

Nobody is arguing against keeping yourself groomed I assumed that's a given.

Dudes up in here talking about cut your hair or no dreads. Why? Bc my hair is a different texture? Long hair is looking crazy? Tf?

Like I said before different strokes, if it works for you do you. Personally I won't compromise for discriminatory practices

 

[antidope]

Discriminatory seems a bit strong but eh.

 

[38816]

"Remaining true "? For real man. So me getting a haircut and shaving for an interview isn't being true? People do that for way less important things, dudes clean up for dates via Tinder but do it to try and build your own life up and you're a sellout..

And on the subject of dreads and whatnot which clearly is what is being alluded to hear I would stand on the side of telling people to get rid of them. Not because of it being a race thing but just cause long hair doesn't fly

If a white guy walked in with a mullet he's not getting that job either

not always true, which is what we're trying to explain to you.

the whole bewildered "FORREAL?" spiel is reflective of the very mindset we're talking about.

you CHOOSE to shave your face for a date.

you CHOOSE to wear your hair how YOU wear your hair.

My entire life i wore my hair buzz cut, so i never had the issue

but what if you naturally wore your hair a different way, and supposedly THAT SPECIFIC WAY you wear your hair is "unprofessional"

sounds quite ridiculous.


this reminds me of when i lost all respect for stephan a smith.

he said his sister didn't cut her dreads and didn't get a job, so it was her fault.

as if discrimination is okay.


"its the game, you have to play it"

is the entire point i'm getting at.

10 years ago, having tattoos would disqualify you from a variety of jobs. today? not even an issue. (i guess, unless it's a face tattoo)

we actually DON'T have to play the game of discrimination. We can call people out on it.

but as long as our peers who have assimilated keep pointing fingers from the inside, it'll continue.





i'll say it one last time, discrimination isn't okay.

if it's not that big of a deal to cut your hair, why does it disqualify you from employment? LOL

again, it's another coded way to discriminate.

nobody is talking about showing up to an interview looking homeless.

 

[polosanddunks]

Good points being made.

At the end of the day its a lot more important things in the workplace and or interviews to be worried about then my hair.

 

[sfc415]

Saying "no dreads" is racist and/or white supremacist isn't always accurate and depends on the profession, so don't give that advice to people looking for work. I'm an accountant, and I'm not black, but if I showed up to a meeting with clients with flowing long hair or a ponytail, I would never be allowed to work with that client again and would catch some serious @#$@ at my office for it. There's not many finance, accounting, or law firms that would let some dude show up with a non "standard" haircut. If you're in one of those fields and you refuse to cut your hair, good luck getting a job. Of course, if you're in IT, have a tech job where you're coding by yourself all day, or work for a startup, none of this would ever matter.

And no, this isn't my viewpoint, it's just how things are. I have tattoos that I cover up for work and have had pierced ears and "unprofessional" haircuts until I got my job, so there's no judgment from my end. I personally couldn't care less about what an employee looks like as long as he or she gets the work done at a high level.

 

[swaggdaddy]

Im not saying going in an interview or office etc, with unkept hair. My dreads look just as good as your low cut. Ive seen people with purple hair blue hair and they are white and have a 9-5 office job. Ill hate to cut my hair for a interview after six years an they give the job to jason because he was white and may know someone in the company but my skills clearly out weighs his. Bottomline my skills should out weigh my hair any day.

 

[suberzat1]

Tell them

 

[antidope]

If a white person showed to an interview where I work with purple hair she would be told to go home from the jump. I have no doubt. If they are hired and them came in with that they would tell her to correct it and if she refused they'd probably fire her.

I've seen dreads on my industry but I'm not going to act like dreads are typical cause they're not.

The part about knowing people is nothing to get upset over, that is life. I've lost out of jobs because I've known someone it is how this game goes and that will never ever change.

 

[slighted]

Again, which industries / fields are you guys even in?

This is apples to oranges if you're in creative fields and others are in business formal fields. There are ingrained cultures in each.

 

[isco]

Again, which industries / fields are you guys even in?

This is apples to oranges if you're in creative fields and others are in business formal fields. There are ingrained cultures in each.

Risk Analyst

 

[mistertwothree]

There are alot of interesting comments about race and discrimination. It's a very fine line. Being black in a predominately "white" industry does make getting hired and staying employed somewhat harder. But it's not impossible. Learning to walk that fine line and being successful is what it's all about. It hurts having to bear that burden but I get the feeling once you cross that threshold and the money starts coming in it'll all be worth it. Good brothers keep striving. This is competitive. Never forget that.

Biggest regret in college is not networking more. Spent many nights hooping, video games, watching tv, and chasin' box. Smh. NETWORK NETWORK NETWORK. Even in your everyday life. Get involved. Ask questions. Seem interested. Call those people you really don't feel like calling. Keep active. Send a prayer up to The Big Fella and see what comes of it.

Indeed does seem like the premier job site. Although I haven't gotten any calls or responses. Unemployment ends sometime in February, hopefully I get something before then. Good luck.

 

[Velle47]

Had a phone interview today...nailed it...now they want me to drive two hours to interview in person...would you guys do it or ask if I can skype?

 

[mistertwothree]

@Velle23 Depends. Need more particulars. But I doubt I would.