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Anddddd here comes the discussion of best pg's in NBA.
it was only a matter of time.
John Wall.....Bust?
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Do any of you watch the Wiz play consistently? The answer is probably no. If he had teammates that were not all complete F-ups, he could be that unlimited potential player that most still see him as. He will not reach his full potential in DC. Nobody ever does. It is a wasteland. Ted Leonsis might be interested in changing the culture, but he has a long ways to go.
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Oh, well then, I guess that settles it then, PER is pretty much indisputable.
Irving is very good and, based on court performance this year, maybe there is an argument he's better than Wall, but Wall is far from a bust.
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Yea I was a little off topic with the Irving Wall stuff. To think Wall is a bust you are a fool. He is way too young still and like what was said he can improve his flaws. I hope he succeeds just like anybody else.
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He's not a bust... He needs to get outta Washington though. He needs a better team to work with.
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Originally Posted by lawdog1
Oh, well then, I guess that settles it then, PER is pretty much indisputable.We should always evaluate players based on a formula some stat geek, who probably never actually played competitive ball at any level, made up.
Irving is very good and, based on court performance this year, maybe there is an argument he's better than Wall, but Wall is far from a bust.
As far as I'm concerned there isn't any argument. Outside of being a better shooter Wall does everything better. So while Kyrie may be wowing everyone with his offensive game. He's not handling his primary responsibility, he isn't stopping anyone on D either. I'll take the guy who gives me something in all facets and isn't close to his potential
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Only in his 2nd year & he's a bust? You dudes on NT are funny. Probably the same dudes that thought Derrick Rose was overrated in his 2nd year
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Considering what he's working with, he's putting up damn good #'s.
Wholesale changes need to be made to the roster in DC for yall to truly see what this man is capable of. My gut feeling is that he'll leave via free-agency when his rookie deal is up. Things have to turn as close to a 180 as possible for him to re-up. You can see the frustration on his face with each game that is played. Look at great PGs who came before him like Paul, Rose, and Williams (before he got to NJ). None of them have had fewer than 38 wins in a season. Think about that.
The situation in DC is a tough pill for Wall to swallow.
Kyrie's smarter and more efficient.
The collective b-ball IQ on Cleveland is 10x more than what's in DC. On top of it all, Irving has guys who can score to play with. Let me know the last time you saw Jan Vesely hit a jump shot
*Quick question for those who think Irving is the better player....how many of his minutes are SHARED w. Sessions? Isn't sessions the primary ball-carrier when they're on the floor together?
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Calling a player a bust after one full season and a half season...smh.
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Trade Lin for Wall. Now!
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This 'coworker' story sounds made up
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A bust? This dude had like 10 APG his rookie year playing with a bunch of headcases.
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Wall is seriously discouraged by the situation he is in. You can see him out there trying, then McGee does something stupid, then other players do dumb crap, by the 3rd Wall has given up on the game.
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No. I live in NEO its extremely common in fact
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The collective b-ball IQ on Cleveland is 10x more than what's in DC. On top of it all, Irving has guys who can score to play with. Let me know the last time you saw Jan Vesely hit a jump shot
*Quick question for those who think Irving is the better player....how many of his minutes are SHARED w. Sessions? Isn't sessions the primary ball-carrier when they're on the floor together?
C'mon man...Kyrie's passing to Alonzo Gee, Omri Casspi and Anthony Parker as his wing players. I do have to say that although the guys on the Cavs aren't the most talented in the world, the players on their team perfectly know their roles. Completely the opposite of John Wall's team. If they don't turn that team all the way around and start getting some type of pieces in there Wall's definitely gonna be gone as soon as that contract is up.
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at this point if I had to take one I would take Irving but that doesn't mean Wall is a bust but I have my doubts where I thought he would be a stud by now a couple years ago...time will tell
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This seems to be the go-to excuse for Wall's sympathizers. John Wall was drafted #1 OVERALL. As a pg? Heres a thought, how about Wall actually making those around him BETTER? Wacky, I know.
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Look at the team that is around him.
Look at the team that was around guys like Chris Paul, Derrick Rose, and Deron Williams. NONE of them had as bad of a roster as what Wall is dealing with. None of them. It's easy to sympathize for the kid because things are so awful in DC.
He's doing all he can with what he has to work with.
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Tell me how exactly he's supposed to make players like this better...
Go Ahead... Enlighten Us.
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I was as big on Wall as anyone...but what really has put me off is his shooting. The other stuff I can live with cause his teammates are tards but he has not made oen stride in his shot. If he can't fix that jumper, he'll never be able to get to that level which I though he could reach.
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now this i completely agree with, his jumper needs work badly, but watching so many of their games every week sometimes he does make mid range jumpers like clockwork and other times he's brick city. just has to develop some consistency
I'm much more annoyed by his missed layups than jumpers because that was supposed to be his strength. i won't kill him because his jumpers don't lose games for us, Nick Young's do cuz he truly THINKS he can shoot
