Justice League vs Avengers vol. pretty sure this has been debated before

[rfx45]

Originally Posted by GrimlocK

Avengers. This new team of Avengers with a roster of 50 people will murderize the JLA.

People keep using what has happened in previous JLA/Avengers crossovers. The brolicness of the avengers squad right now is nothing to #*#! with.

JLU Members List
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_League_Unlimited
[h3]Founding members[/h3]

• George Newbern – Superman ( Clark Kent / Kal-El )
• Kevin Conroy – Batman ( Bruce Wayne )
• Susan Eisenberg – Wonder Woman ( Diana of Themyscira / Diana Prince )
• Michael Rosenbaum – Flash ( Wally West )
• Carl Lumbly – Martian Manhunter ( J'onn J'onnz / John Jones )
• Phil LaMarr – Green Lantern ( John Stewart )
• Maria Canals – Hawkgirl ( Shayera Hol )

[h3][edit]Expanded League members[/h3]

• Scott Rummell – Aquaman ( Arthur Curry / Orin )
• John C. McGinley – Atom ( Dr. Ray Palmer )
• Scott Patterson – Aztek ( Uno / Curtis "Curt" Falconer )
• Morena Baccarin – Black Canary ( Dinah Laurel Lance )
• Lex Lang – Blue Devil ( Daniel Patrick Cassidy )
• Tom Everett Scott – Booster Gold ( Michael Jon Carter )
• Peter Onorati – B'wana Beast ( Michael Payson Maxwell )
• Chris Cox ( George Eads in "Initiation" ) – Captain Atom ( Captain Nathaniel Adams )
• Jerry O'Connell – Captain Marvel ( Billy Batson )
• Kevin Conroy - Commander Steel ( Henry "Hank" Heywood )
• Kevin Conroy - Crimson Avenger ( Lee Walter Travis )
• Oded Fehr – Doctor Fate ( Kent Nelson / Nabu )
• Lauren Tom – Doctor Light ( Kimiyo Hoshi )
• Jason Hervey – Dove ( Don Hall )
• Jeremy Piven – Elongated Man ( Ralph Dibny )
• Michael T. Weiss – Etrigan the Demon ( Jason Blood )
• Maria Canals Barrera – Fire ( Beatriz "Bea" Bonilla Da Costa )
• Kin Shriner – Green Arrow ( Oliver Queen )
• Fred Savage – Hawk ( Hank Hall )
• James Remar – Hawkman ( Carter Hall / Katar Hol / Joseph Gardner )
• Amy Acker – Huntress ( Helena Bertinelli )
• Gregg Rainwater – Long Shadow ( Apache Chief )
• Tom Sizemore - Metamorpho ( Rex Mason )
• Michael Beach – Mister Terrific ( Michael Holt )
• Ron Perlman – Orion
• Jeffrey Combs – Question ( Charles Victor Szasz / Vic Sage )
• Mike Erwin – Red Arrow ( Roy Harper / Speedy )
• Powers Boothe – Red Tornado ( John Smith )
• Chris Cox – Shining Knight ( Sir Justin )
• Giselle Loren – Stargirl ( Courtney Whitmore )
• Phil LaMarr - Steel ( John Henry Irons )
• Phil LaMarr - S.T.R.I.P.E. ( Pat Dugan )
• Nicholle Tom – Supergirl ( Kara In-Ze / Kara Kent )
• Nathan Fillion ( Michael Rosenbaum in "Task Force X" ) – Vigilante ( Greg Saunders )
• Gina Torres – Vixen ( Mari Jiwe McCabe )
• Dennis Farina – Wildcat ( Ted Grant )
• Jennifer Hale – Zatanna ( Zatanna Zatara )

[h3][edit]Non-speaking members[/h3]

• Atom Smasher ( Albert Rothstein )
• Creeper ( Jeff Glen Bennett )
• Crimson Fox ( Vivian D'Aramis )
• Doctor Mid-Nite ( Dr. Charles McNider )
• Firestorm ( Ronnie Raymond / Martin Stein / Mikhail Arkadin )
• Gypsy ( Cynthia "Cindy" Reynolds )
• Hourman ( Rick Tyler )
• Ice ( Tora Olafsdotter )
• Johnny Thunder ( John L. Thunder )
• Nemesis ( Thomas Andrew Tresser )
• Obsidian ( Todd James Rice )
• Plastic Man ( Patrick "Eel" O'Brian )
• Ray ( Raymond C. "Ray" Terrill )
• Rocket Red ( Dimitri Pushkin )
• Sandman ( Sanderson "Sandy" Hawkins )
• Starman ( Prince Gavyn )
• Thunderbolt
• Vibe ( Paco Ramone )
• Waverider ( Matthew Ryder )

 

[solarius49]

Originally Posted by amel223

Originally Posted by solarius49

As a fanboy, if you read the forums on Marvel.com, its pretty much accepted that Batman would beat anybody if he has prep time.

But Superman = Hulk
Wonder Woman < Thor
Green Lantern > Ironman
Flash > Cap
Batman > Hawkeye
Martian Manhunter > Black Widow...i guess


thats just if you were talking about the Avengers from the movie though
and Superman would lose....HORRIBLY to Thor.   Superman's greatest weakness is magic

Switching up matchups and putting in subs...

Superman<Thor
Wonder Woman<Captain America
Flash<Iron Man
Batman<Spiderman
Martian Manhunter<Hulk  
Green Lantern>Black Widow

Um, what can Cap do to hurt Wonder Woman? and what can Ironman do to hurt the Flash?

 

[westcoastsfinest]

Originally Posted by amel223

Originally Posted by solarius49

As a fanboy, if you read the forums on Marvel.com, its pretty much accepted that Batman would beat anybody if he has prep time.

But Superman = Hulk
Wonder Woman < Thor
Green Lantern > Ironman
Flash > Cap
Batman > Hawkeye
Martian Manhunter > Black Widow...i guess


thats just if you were talking about the Avengers from the movie though
and Superman would lose....HORRIBLY to Thor.   Superman's greatest weakness is magic

Switching up matchups and putting in subs...

Superman<Thor
Wonder Woman<Captain America
Flash<Iron Man
Batman<Spiderman
Martian Manhunter<Hulk  
Green Lantern>Black Widow

Thanks for the laughs bro. 

JUSTICE LEAGUE>AVENGERS. DC>ALL

 

[solarius49]

Originally Posted by westcoastsfinest

Originally Posted by amel223

Originally Posted by solarius49

As a fanboy, if you read the forums on Marvel.com, its pretty much accepted that Batman would beat anybody if he has prep time.

But Superman = Hulk
Wonder Woman < Thor
Green Lantern > Ironman
Flash > Cap
Batman > Hawkeye
Martian Manhunter > Black Widow...i guess


thats just if you were talking about the Avengers from the movie though
and Superman would lose....HORRIBLY to Thor.   Superman's greatest weakness is magic

Switching up matchups and putting in subs...

Superman<Thor
Wonder Woman<Captain America
Flash<Iron Man
Batman<Spiderman
Martian Manhunter<Hulk  
Green Lantern>Black Widow

Thanks for the laughs bro. 

JUSTICE LEAGUE>AVENGERS. DC>ALL

Thats all you saw wrong with that?  Ironman and Cap couldnt even touch WW and Flash

 

[rfx45]

Originally Posted by GrimlocK

Avengers. This new team of Avengers with a roster of 50 people will murderize the JLA.

Here's also the list of all 121 that has become a members of the JL/JLA at some point.
http://www.ranker.com/list/list-of-every-member-of-the-justice-league-and-jla/super-hero-teams

 

[everysingletime]

Originally Posted by solarius49

Originally Posted by amel223

Originally Posted by solarius49

As a fanboy, if you read the forums on Marvel.com, its pretty much accepted that Batman would beat anybody if he has prep time.

But Superman = Hulk
Wonder Woman < Thor
Green Lantern > Ironman
Flash > Cap
Batman > Hawkeye
Martian Manhunter > Black Widow...i guess


thats just if you were talking about the Avengers from the movie though
and Superman would lose....HORRIBLY to Thor.   Superman's greatest weakness is magic

Switching up matchups and putting in subs...

Superman<Thor
Wonder Woman<Captain America
Flash<Iron Man
Batman<Spiderman
Martian Manhunter<Hulk  
Green Lantern>Black Widow

Um, what can Cap do to hurt Wonder Woman? and what can Ironman do to hurt the Flash?

   Thor can lend Cap Mjonir to even the odds and Ironman's technology can over come Flash's speed.

 

[Gill Baka Esq. LLC.]

avengers would still cream the JLA...just cuz you got numbers don't make it better. We got like 2-5 Hulks now. Mutants galore. Iron Men.

You got Batman....that's it. Put some kryptonite in your cheerios, and hulk(s) will throw everyone else into space.

and that list is stupid...check out who number 23 is.

 

[solarius49]

Originally Posted by amel223

Originally Posted by solarius49

Originally Posted by amel223

Switching up matchups and putting in subs...

Superman<Thor
Wonder Woman<Captain America
Flash<Iron Man
Batman<Spiderman
Martian Manhunter<Hulk  
Green Lantern>Black Widow

Um, what can Cap do to hurt Wonder Woman? and what can Ironman do to hurt the Flash?

   Thor can lend Cap Mjonir to even the odds and Ironman's technology can over come Flash's speed.

Naw mane you bending rules to get Cap a win against a much more powerful opponent.  WW has gone toe to toe with Superman.  And Mjolnir wouldnt all of a sudden make Cap a world beater.  Most of Thor's power, he has without the hammer.  As far as the Flash, he is capable of running back through time just with his speed alone.  Ironman would have his armor dismantled before his suit registered what was happening

 

[everysingletime]

Ironman can fly. Flash can't. Ironman can keep his distance and use his superior intellect and technology to figure out how to gain advantage.

 

[rfx45]

Originally Posted by GrimlocK

avengers would still cream the JLA...just cuz you got numbers don't make it better. We got like 2-5 Hulks now. Mutants galore. Iron Men.

You got Batman....that's it. Put some kryptonite in your cheerios, and hulk(s) will throw everyone else into space.

and that list is stupid...check out who number 23 is.

Wait, first you throw out a number like it is significant and  obviously you are trying to make it seem like 50 Avengers will destroy the JL but when JL turns out to have a bigger number the numbers then lose it's significance? 

And come on not, being a comic book fan and it saying "Billy Batson" in the bottom you know damn well they meant Shazam also know as Captain Marvel.

 

[goldmember]

I'm just gonna leave it here. 

 

[solarius49]

Originally Posted by GrimlocK

avengers would still cream the JLA...just cuz you got numbers don't make it better. We got like 2-5 Hulks now. Mutants galore. Iron Men.

You got Batman....that's it. Put some kryptonite in your cheerios, and hulk(s) will throw everyone else into space.

and that list is stupid...check out who number 23 is.

Thats the wrong picture, but there is a JLA Captain Marvel aka Billy Batson

 

[rfx45]

I just noticed they used the oracle pic from the Matrix for Barbara Gordon. Now that is funny.

I think it is automatically searches for a pic that matches or anyone could edit it but the list is solid.

 

[solarius49]

Originally Posted by amel223

Ironman can fly. Flash can't. Ironman can keep his distance and use his superior intellect and technology to figure out how to gain advantage.

I gotta disagree, I think Ironman's ability to fly is only a small advantage, bc the Flash has been seen to run through the air, and is faster than the speed of light

 

[milestailsprowe]

Ok if you all wanna do a Complete Avengers vs Complete JLU then its a toss up vs all the damn Gods in each team.
Story wise and more its 

Hands down.

Lets not forget

And how bad it was

 

[blakep267]

no way Iron man is beating the flash. If it would even come to it, Flash would just use the speed force and take Stark to another dimension. And lets not even get into what an Infinite Mass Punch is
I know this is a cartoon, but I liked what they had Flash do here

 

[milestailsprowe]

Oh yea just to finish this argument 

 

[solarius49]

Originally Posted by milestailsprowe

Oh yea just to finish this argument 

yeah....Franklin Richards isnt an Avenger so.......

 

[blakep267]

Originally Posted by solarius49

Originally Posted by milestailsprowe

Oh yea just to finish this argument 

yeah....Franklin Richards isnt an Avenger so.......

yea, thats what I was going to add. Its not Marvel vs. Dc, its the avengers vs JLA. Of course if you were to include other marvel characters theyd win because they have much stronger psychics etc

 

[milestailsprowe]

Originally Posted by solarius49

Originally Posted by milestailsprowe

Oh yea just to finish this argument 

yeah....Franklin Richards isnt an Avenger so.......

Yet.......
Franklin Richards isn't an Avenger Yet.... He is 4 years away from joining his dad

What I'm saying is the scale on what happens in Marvel is bigger then DC most of the time at least story wise 

 

[solarius49]

But that has nothing to do with this thread......

 

[rfx45]

Originally Posted by milestailsprowe

Originally Posted by solarius49

Originally Posted by milestailsprowe

Oh yea just to finish this argument 

yeah....Franklin Richards isnt an Avenger so.......

Yet.......
Franklin Richards isn't an Avenger Yet.... He is 4 years away from joining his dad

What I'm saying is the scale on what happens in Marvel is bigger then DC most of the time at least story wise 

So? Come back in 4 years when his a member and dig up this thread. Until then your argument doesn't count.

 

[milestailsprowe]

Ok oK Fine
How about this then

The avengers 50 state initative

 

Vs the Jla

Remember there are over 50+ active teams of Avengers with 7 or more people in each squad. All military trained and ready at a moments notice. 

 

[rfx45]

Go back a page?

 

[milestailsprowe]

Billy Batson although powerful can easily be matched by alot of marvel heros