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Originally Posted by shoefreakbaby
Originally Posted by whywesteppin
LDJ, I respect your views on this from a father's perspective.
But we're talking about the kid here. Yes, the kid's parents could've done some things differently, and there are better ways to deal with your problems (which are obvious to us as adults), but I don't think you understand what the kid went through.
My situation with "bullying" (I put it in quotes because it was never that serious and never escalated, but I'm guessing the emotions I felt are universal) happened many years ago. I was 3 years younger and half their size. Whenever it would happen, I would kick and punch as much as I could, but it was to no avail.
The feeling I had was that of hopelessness and of fear. Of course these are emotions we learn to overcome as adults. But as a kid these emotions can be overwhelming. If you've never been there emotionally, just imagine what a kidnapping victim must feel. Yes, it'sirrational, but keep in mind we're talking about children here.
Like shoefreakbaby said, part of the reason I didn't tell anyone was cultural. Part of it was I felt no one would do anything, or would say something like, "man up" or "it's not that big of a deal" (some of the responses in this thread justify those sentiments).
At the end of the day, we all agree it was a tragic situation, but, stripping everything away, what we have here is a victim who fought back and called the bully on his bluff.
edit: Actually, it's not irrational. Plenty of people have died or suffered serious injury (beyond the emotional toll that is a near certainty) at the hands of a bully who went too far.
When you are a kid ^ edit of this generation every little bad thing feels like the end of the world, that's why ^ todays suicide rates our highest among teens.
You haven't built that "oh get over it gene" yet.
Im so happy you overcame it, Im sure its made you a stronger person
Im so corny.
Originally Posted by LDJ
When you are a kid ^ edit of this generation every little bad thing feels like the end of the world, that's why ^ todays suicide rates our highest among teens.
You haven't built that "oh get over it gene" yet.
Im so happy you overcame it, Im sure its made you a stronger person
Originally Posted by shoefreakbaby
Originally Posted by whywesteppin
LDJ, I respect your views on this from a father's perspective.
But we're talking about the kid here. Yes, the kid's parents could've done some things differently, and there are better ways to deal with your problems (which are obvious to us as adults), but I don't think you understand what the kid went through.
My situation with "bullying" (I put it in quotes because it was never that serious and never escalated, but I'm guessing the emotions I felt are universal) happened many years ago. I was 3 years younger and half their size. Whenever it would happen, I would kick and punch as much as I could, but it was to no avail.
The feeling I had was that of hopelessness and of fear. Of course these are emotions we learn to overcome as adults. But as a kid these emotions can be overwhelming. If you've never been there emotionally, just imagine what a kidnapping victim must feel. Yes, it'sirrational, but keep in mind we're talking about children here.
Like shoefreakbaby said, part of the reason I didn't tell anyone was cultural. Part of it was I felt no one would do anything, or would say something like, "man up" or "it's not that big of a deal" (some of the responses in this thread justify those sentiments).
At the end of the day, we all agree it was a tragic situation, but, stripping everything away, what we have here is a victim who fought back and called the bully on his bluff.
edit: Actually, it's not irrational. Plenty of people have died or suffered serious injury (beyond the emotional toll that is a near certainty) at the hands of a bully who went too far.
When you are a kid every little bad thing feels like the end of the world, that's why suicide rates our highest among teens.
You haven't built that "oh get over it gene" yet.
Im so happy you overcame it, Im sure its made you a stronger person
Im so corny.
Originally Posted by Supermanblue79
The kid had every right to defend himself, but I feel he went above and beyond "self defense" with 12 stab wounds, 2 of them fatal.
Although he was targeted by the bully, this was murder no matter how you look at it.
Thanks, shoefreakbaby. In some ways it was good for me and in other ways bad. The bad is that I tend to take things too personally. At the same time, I've learned to turn every little slight into motivation.
Yeah that sucks, but to flip it around you will be cautious of what you say to ppl because you know words can hurt
you're young your skin will get tougher.
Originally Posted by Fresh Like Will
LDJ. You're not getting it man.
You're blaming the kid who got bullied for not doing this or that before taking it too far in his eventual and obvious wrong doing. But EVERYONE was wrong. The bully pushed this kid.
You think the bully would of stopped bullying the kid if someone told a teacher? Teachers aren't the end all be all. They can't control the goings on outside the classrooms. You're one gullible guy if you think that would of stopped everything. And this kid wasn't going to jail for harassing a 14 year old at 16. C'mon now. Those bully laws wouldn't of done any good until it got to the point to where they have to use those laws and the reasons they were made. By then the kid could of potentially caught a pretty bad one. NO ONE WAS RIGHT. You've got to understand that the bully met a very real after effect of his treatment towards this kid. If he left him alone and never put a hand on him, we wouldn't be talking about this right now.
The bully Radio Raheem'd himself. The kid should of never pulled that knife, but he was pushed.
Originally Posted by kix4kix
Take an %*# whooping, and keep it pushing. Kids these days are coddled.
Originally Posted by cartune
Kids are soft these days.
Take yo %*+ whooping like a man wake up and join a boxing class. He gonna stab everybody that picks on him?
Originally Posted by cartune
Kids are soft these days.
Take yo %*+ whooping like a man wake up and join a boxing class. He gonna stab everybody that picks on him?