- Sep 11, 2011
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LMAO
**LA LAKERS THREAD** Sitting on 17! 2023-2024 offseason begins
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- Jun 21, 2009
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Here’s the father of the Star, of the SUPER TALENTED “young core”....
- Nov 1, 2011
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Please don't make me root for Kanter.
This has been unnecessarily stressful.
The ideal scenario was always to wait and sign a max guy then trade for AD, which is still in play. They addressed a few needs by getting some shooting and can get another vet on the buyout market.
But since they handled things so publicly it looks like they don't have a plan.
So now Magic and Pelinka look like they're in over their heads, Bron looks like a bad leader and the young guys look like they're not valuable and their confidence is probably shot.
None of those things are entirely unexpected but this is definitely the worst case scenario, we'll see how they respond.
- Oct 28, 2013
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- Sep 5, 2010
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Really traded away the best center on the roster to a playoff competitor.
- Sep 21, 2012
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I was surprised to hear this taking it into account but Nick Wright said if Kuz and Tatum switched places would they have developed the same or did the coaching and development in each system cause their stock to be where it is.
- Sep 21, 2012
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Sigh and someone in the running for AD in the summer.Really traded away the best center on the roster to a playoff competitor.
- Jan 18, 2006
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Bruh...I'm trying to be level headed but the past few years have been entirely too much. From the Kobe contract, to the Deng and Mosgov deals, striking out on free agents...
This trade thing probably is a blessing in disguise but right now...we need a win. If we get blown tonight...smh
- Sep 11, 2011
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get blown out still only like 3 games back but its gonna be a grind and gonna need SAC to lose games.
- Feb 23, 2010
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Trade grades
Zu to the clips
Svi for Bullock
Zu to the clips
The deal
Clippers get: Michael Beasley and Ivica Zubac
Lakers get: Mike Muscala
Get more trade grades for every deal here
Los Angeles Lakers: D+
When I warned the Lakers not to overvalue Zubac in my recent analysis of their young talent, this wasn't exactly what I was thinking. Giving up a 21-year-old player who's been starting effectively in return for a veteran journeyman seems to be a case of the Lakers overvaluing shooting in response to undervaluing it last summer.
Muscala indeed brings a stretch dimension the Lakers haven't gotten from their rotation centers this season. The Lakers have a combined 12 3-pointers from their four centers this season, 11 of them from rookie Moe Wagner in his 137 minutes of action. (The other came from JaVale McGee on one of his eight attempts.) Muscala hit more than five times that many (6
with the Philadelphia 76ers before being included in this week's deal with the Clippers, and is a career 37 percent shooter beyond the arc.
Alas, defensive limitations have prevented Muscala from ever holding down a regular starting job in the NBA. According to Second Spectrum data on NBA Advanced Stats, opponents have shot 60 percent inside 5 feet with Muscala as a primary defender, as compared to 52.5 percent against the bigger Zubac. Muscala is preferable as a power forward defensively, and while that versatility has value, the Lakers have less need of help at the 4. So they'll probably hope that the combination of LeBron James and a shooting 5 proves as potent in L.A. as it was in Cleveland with the more dangerous Channing Frye.
It's unlikely Muscala has a long-term future with the Lakers, which makes dealing Zubac a painful cost to improve their chances of claiming the eighth seed in the Western Conference. While Zubac might have been difficult to include in an Anthony Davis offer this summer as a restricted free agent, he still looked like a useful piece for the Lakers to either keep or trade.
This move has the side effect of clearing a roster spot for the Lakers, and we'll see how they fill it. If the answer is Carmelo Anthony, a possibility ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski indicated after the trade, then recent history suggests he's a downgrade from Beasley.
LA Clippers: A
The Clippers had to be thrilled for this opportunity to deal with their co-tenants at Staples Center. Zubac is an ideal fit on a team hoping to use cap space this summer because of his bargain $1.9 million cap hold as a restricted free agent. If the Clippers indeed land a star or two, they can keep just that hold on the books before going over the cap to re-sign Zubac to a larger deal.
Though he's not the kind of athlete new Clippers teammate Montrezl Harrell is, Zubac can fill a similar role as a finisher in the pick-and-roll and rim protector on defense. Even in a league where those players are increasingly available, there's still value in them, particularly when they come cheap.
Muscala likely had no place in the Clippers' long-term plans and was included in the Sixers deal strictly as an expiring contract. Likewise, Beasley isn't a fit for the Clippers, and Chris Haynes of Yahoo Sports reported the initial plan is to release him.
Clippers get: Michael Beasley and Ivica Zubac
Lakers get: Mike Muscala
Get more trade grades for every deal here
Los Angeles Lakers: D+
When I warned the Lakers not to overvalue Zubac in my recent analysis of their young talent, this wasn't exactly what I was thinking. Giving up a 21-year-old player who's been starting effectively in return for a veteran journeyman seems to be a case of the Lakers overvaluing shooting in response to undervaluing it last summer.
Muscala indeed brings a stretch dimension the Lakers haven't gotten from their rotation centers this season. The Lakers have a combined 12 3-pointers from their four centers this season, 11 of them from rookie Moe Wagner in his 137 minutes of action. (The other came from JaVale McGee on one of his eight attempts.) Muscala hit more than five times that many (6
with the Philadelphia 76ers before being included in this week's deal with the Clippers, and is a career 37 percent shooter beyond the arc.Alas, defensive limitations have prevented Muscala from ever holding down a regular starting job in the NBA. According to Second Spectrum data on NBA Advanced Stats, opponents have shot 60 percent inside 5 feet with Muscala as a primary defender, as compared to 52.5 percent against the bigger Zubac. Muscala is preferable as a power forward defensively, and while that versatility has value, the Lakers have less need of help at the 4. So they'll probably hope that the combination of LeBron James and a shooting 5 proves as potent in L.A. as it was in Cleveland with the more dangerous Channing Frye.
It's unlikely Muscala has a long-term future with the Lakers, which makes dealing Zubac a painful cost to improve their chances of claiming the eighth seed in the Western Conference. While Zubac might have been difficult to include in an Anthony Davis offer this summer as a restricted free agent, he still looked like a useful piece for the Lakers to either keep or trade.
This move has the side effect of clearing a roster spot for the Lakers, and we'll see how they fill it. If the answer is Carmelo Anthony, a possibility ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski indicated after the trade, then recent history suggests he's a downgrade from Beasley.
LA Clippers: A
The Clippers had to be thrilled for this opportunity to deal with their co-tenants at Staples Center. Zubac is an ideal fit on a team hoping to use cap space this summer because of his bargain $1.9 million cap hold as a restricted free agent. If the Clippers indeed land a star or two, they can keep just that hold on the books before going over the cap to re-sign Zubac to a larger deal.
Though he's not the kind of athlete new Clippers teammate Montrezl Harrell is, Zubac can fill a similar role as a finisher in the pick-and-roll and rim protector on defense. Even in a league where those players are increasingly available, there's still value in them, particularly when they come cheap.
Muscala likely had no place in the Clippers' long-term plans and was included in the Sixers deal strictly as an expiring contract. Likewise, Beasley isn't a fit for the Clippers, and Chris Haynes of Yahoo Sports reported the initial plan is to release him.
Svi for Bullock
The deal
Lakers get: Reggie Bullock
Pistons get: Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, 2021 second-round pick
Get more trade grades for every deal here
Los Angeles Lakers: B+
Because of his bargain $2.5 million salary, Bullock is an ideal pickup for the Lakers as they battle for a spot in the Western Conference playoffs. In the short term, Bullock provides some insurance for the Lakers as a backup wing as Josh Hart battles knee tendinitis that sidelined him during Tuesday's blowout loss in Indiana.
Bullock's value could be greater the rest of the season, depending on what the Lakers do before Thursday's trade deadline. If they deal guard Kentavious Caldwell-Pope for a frontcourt player, Bullock could fill Caldwell-Pope's spot in the rotation. If the Lakers are in fact able to pull off a blockbuster deal for Anthony Davis, Bullock would probably become their starting shooting guard, providing valuable depth for a team that would need every bit of it possible.
It took Bullock five seasons and three teams to establish himself as a starter after he was drafted in the 2013 first round by the Lakers' co-tenants, the LA Clippers. Since signing a two-year, $5 million deal to stay with the Pistons in the summer of 2017, Bullock has emerged as a useful 3-and-D player. He's a 40 percent career 3-point shooter, and that's a better mark than any of the shooting-challenged Lakers have managed this season. At 6-foot-7, Bullock is capable of defending either wing position, versatility that will come in handy as the Lakers try to hide their defensive liabilities.
Although Bullock is an unrestricted free agent at season's end, his low salary means a modest $4.75 million cap hold this summer. The Lakers will have full Bird rights on Bullock, meaning if they strike out on adding a max player, they can exceed the cap to re-sign him after utilizing the remainder of their space on outside free agents.
Getting Bullock does carry a cost. The Lakers were excited about 2018 second-round pick Mykhailiuk after a strong summer league, though he hasn't been an accurate shooter (32 percent on 3s) in sparse playing time as a rookie. The Lakers are already out their 2019 second-round pick, so this one will put the Lakers down two going forward.
Detroit Pistons: D+
I'm surprised the Pistons are acting as sellers rather than buyers at the deadline. After Tuesday's road win over the lowly New York Knicks, they're just a game back of the Miami Heat for the No. 8 seed in the playoffs, and by all accounts, getting back to the postseason is an important goal for Detroit. The Pistons have just one playoff appearance in the past 10 seasons, after all.
It's hard to believe that Detroit is that enamored with Mykhailiuk after passing him over not once but twice in the 2018 second round to take a pair of other wings: Bruce Brown, who has emerged as a starter, and Khyri Thomas. Mykhailiuk's skills are also somewhat duplicative of the Pistons' 2017 first-round pick, Luke Kennard.
From a value standpoint, getting a recent second-round pick and a future one for Bullock isn't bad business, particularly if Detroit thought re-signing him this summer would be impossible due to luxury-tax concerns. Still, for a contending team to trade away a starter at its weakest position strikes me as unexpected. We'll see if this move, which gives the Pistons a little more wiggle room under the tax this year, presages another to come before the deadline.
Lakers get: Reggie Bullock
Pistons get: Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, 2021 second-round pick
Get more trade grades for every deal here
Los Angeles Lakers: B+
Because of his bargain $2.5 million salary, Bullock is an ideal pickup for the Lakers as they battle for a spot in the Western Conference playoffs. In the short term, Bullock provides some insurance for the Lakers as a backup wing as Josh Hart battles knee tendinitis that sidelined him during Tuesday's blowout loss in Indiana.
Bullock's value could be greater the rest of the season, depending on what the Lakers do before Thursday's trade deadline. If they deal guard Kentavious Caldwell-Pope for a frontcourt player, Bullock could fill Caldwell-Pope's spot in the rotation. If the Lakers are in fact able to pull off a blockbuster deal for Anthony Davis, Bullock would probably become their starting shooting guard, providing valuable depth for a team that would need every bit of it possible.
It took Bullock five seasons and three teams to establish himself as a starter after he was drafted in the 2013 first round by the Lakers' co-tenants, the LA Clippers. Since signing a two-year, $5 million deal to stay with the Pistons in the summer of 2017, Bullock has emerged as a useful 3-and-D player. He's a 40 percent career 3-point shooter, and that's a better mark than any of the shooting-challenged Lakers have managed this season. At 6-foot-7, Bullock is capable of defending either wing position, versatility that will come in handy as the Lakers try to hide their defensive liabilities.
Although Bullock is an unrestricted free agent at season's end, his low salary means a modest $4.75 million cap hold this summer. The Lakers will have full Bird rights on Bullock, meaning if they strike out on adding a max player, they can exceed the cap to re-sign him after utilizing the remainder of their space on outside free agents.
Getting Bullock does carry a cost. The Lakers were excited about 2018 second-round pick Mykhailiuk after a strong summer league, though he hasn't been an accurate shooter (32 percent on 3s) in sparse playing time as a rookie. The Lakers are already out their 2019 second-round pick, so this one will put the Lakers down two going forward.
Detroit Pistons: D+
I'm surprised the Pistons are acting as sellers rather than buyers at the deadline. After Tuesday's road win over the lowly New York Knicks, they're just a game back of the Miami Heat for the No. 8 seed in the playoffs, and by all accounts, getting back to the postseason is an important goal for Detroit. The Pistons have just one playoff appearance in the past 10 seasons, after all.
It's hard to believe that Detroit is that enamored with Mykhailiuk after passing him over not once but twice in the 2018 second round to take a pair of other wings: Bruce Brown, who has emerged as a starter, and Khyri Thomas. Mykhailiuk's skills are also somewhat duplicative of the Pistons' 2017 first-round pick, Luke Kennard.
From a value standpoint, getting a recent second-round pick and a future one for Bullock isn't bad business, particularly if Detroit thought re-signing him this summer would be impossible due to luxury-tax concerns. Still, for a contending team to trade away a starter at its weakest position strikes me as unexpected. We'll see if this move, which gives the Pistons a little more wiggle room under the tax this year, presages another to come before the deadline.
- Jan 25, 2013
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Wes Matthews please Magic, please!
- Mar 8, 2017
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indiana
- May 17, 2007
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Need Ellington in the worst way.
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I still can't get over the fact that we traded Zu, to the Clippers of all teams.
I think this bothered me more than the botched AD trade.
I think this bothered me more than the botched AD trade.
- Sep 25, 2004
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if we get ellington, where do you see his and bullock's minutes coming from? hart/stephenson/and beasley (since he's gone)?
- Jan 25, 2013
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- Oct 28, 2013
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- Jan 18, 2006
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What? Wayne is still free.
- Sep 11, 2011
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wes matthews going to indy
- Jan 18, 2006
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You know I was mad at first...
But honestly we got rid of Beasley (who has had nothing bus issues this year) and got rid of a cap hold that we knew we weren't going to resign.
Yeah we might end up with Melo...so what? This year is a wash. If we happen to get anything out of him and make the playoffs...we good.
D_eezus
formerly zombifed nach0
- Feb 22, 2013
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Crazy most of these teams have beat bron
Y’all know the thing with GSW...no need to rehash it
- Mar 8, 2017
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One way to look at it for sure.
Still heated coz I hate the Clippers and their fanbase lol
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- Apr 24, 2006
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Why would Wes choose Indy?
History with Nate MacMillan?
History with Nate MacMillan?
- Sep 11, 2011
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no clue
some players dont care about trying to win i guess lol
some players dont care about trying to win i guess lol
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