**LA LAKERS THREAD** Sitting on 17! 2023-2024 offseason begins

[DLF]

“We gonna go and get 8 6’1” players bc it’s a pg league”

I mean. Why even bother rising and falling with every play when management has this mentality. They are incompetent. It is what it is. Nothings gonna change.


Wait til summer huh? Same management. Only enough cap for 2 good role players and or 1 almost max. Rest will be vet minimums. Team will be same as this year.

Wait til 2026 to follow the team when Jeanie has been divorced and Mohr has taken half her vote and he votes to sell

 

[pmatic]

Jovan reporting a trade may not happen for a few more weeks now. They continue to kick the can down the road. First it was 20 games in. Then it was December 15th. Now it'll be a few more weeks. Next it will be the trade deadline in February. Then it will be in June.

 

[darthska]

"like supporting the Westbrook trade"
"like supporting the Westbrook trade"
"like SUPPORTING the Westbrook trade"
"SUPPORTING"

ORCHESTRATING and SUPPORTING are 2 different things.

DEMANDING and SUPPORTING are 2 different things.

DOING and SUPPORTING are 2 different things.

You all keep acting like he DID the Westbrook trade, like he ORCHESTRATED it or DEMANDED it.

THEY did it, he SUPPORTED it.

-foe

 

[darthska]

Who's better?

-foe

 

[grittyman]

It takes two to get a trade done.

So what other teams NEED to get something down now? Not many that I can think of…so I wish Jovan and others would stop with the BS deadline narratives.

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

Here's the problem:

Jeanie Buss doesn't have balls.

Jerry Buss did.

Period.

 

[darthska]

Here's the problem:

Jeanie Buss doesn't have balls.

Jerry Buss did.

Period.

I think it's that we don't have anyone who KNOWS basketball.

West knew basketball. Jerry knew business.

Jeanie & Rob know business, and pretend to know basketball.

-foe

 

[geno90221]

Mitch wasn’t so bad after all

 

[grittyman]

Seems like the ballsy thing to do would be to trade AD and/or Lebron.

I believe Dr Buss wouldn’t want to extend AD past his current so he’d give his blessings to trade him.

 

[darthska]

I believe Dr Buss wouldn’t want to extend AD past his current so he’d give his blessings to trade him.

Zactly.

-foe

 

[tupac003]

"like supporting the Westbrook trade"
"like supporting the Westbrook trade"
"like SUPPORTING the Westbrook trade"
"SUPPORTING"

ORCHESTRATING and SUPPORTING are 2 different things.

DEMANDING and SUPPORTING are 2 different things.

DOING and SUPPORTING are 2 different things.

You all keep acting like he DID the Westbrook trade, like he ORCHESTRATED it or DEMANDED it.

THEY did it, he SUPPORTED it.

-foe

I understand what you are saying here...

But it's crazy to me that he would support something like that knowing he never fit on this team.

We won a championship with depth. KCP, Kuz, Dwight and Javale.... we had depth.

You get rid of that for what we have now and bunch of minimum players....

Is what it is.

But letting a basketball mind like Jerry West go to the Clippers and watching him wear Clippers gear while doing interviews for Lakers documentaries kills me.

Just sell the damn team.

But whoever does our scouting, keep them. They seem to know what they are doing.

 

[tupac003]

If you go back to the late 2000s championship teams, Dr. Buss would be very conscious with paying the role players too.

You aren't wrong...

But his moves led to a couple three peats and a back to back...

We are one and done and who knows if we ever make it back.

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

I think it's that we don't have anyone who KNOWS basketball.

West knew basketball. Jerry knew business.

Jeanie & Rob know business, and pretend to know basketball.

-foe

There's definitely some truth to that.

But I think there's plenty of folks in the organization who have influence on the decision makers and who "know basketball."

Of course none of them are as knowledgeable about it as Jerry West but Dr. Buss wouldn't have allowed Klutch and Bron to influence Pelinka like they do now.

Lakers players look at Jeanie like a business manager of the organization. Players looked at Dr. Buss like an owner who is all business when it comes to winning.

Another problem is that Pelinka and Buss's mentality is that they don't want to add to previous mistakes by making a win-now move. Their "sunk-cost dilemma" has clearly blurred their vision and this flawed way of thinking, especially knowing you have Bron still playing at peak levels, an improved Westbrook (trade value is up compared to last year) and AD, is what's annoying the hell outta me. **** them picks, you made a bad move by trading for Russ, now suck it up, have some balls, and go ALL-IN 2 WIN NOW.

Guaranteed Dr. Buss would make a big move (or two) knowing he still has a LeBron James who is averaging 28-8-8 just like he did when he went all in to try and trade for CP3 at the expense of giving up Pau and Odom because he knew Pau and Odom, though still legit in 2011-2012, were on their way down so Buss saw the vision, he knew the Lalers would eventually acquire other bigs, but most importantly Buss had the balls to make key moves to allow his team to WIN NOW WITH KOBE.

The problem with Pelinka and Jeanie IMO have more to do with having the courage and balls and moxie to make risk moves that can pay off in the ultimate reward than it does with having basketball knowledge.

 

[darthska]

But it's crazy to me that he would support something like that knowing he never fit on this team.

Either we have different definitions of support, or you're placing his support at a different area of the timeline that I am placing it.

I picture his support as the deal had already happened and so he both publicly and internally supported that it was done.

I think you're placing his support as if he were part of the board meeting before the trade had happened.

I don't think his support was pre-trade. I It had already happened, so at that point, what's he supposed to do? Cry about it?

I agree that we shouldn't have broken up the championship team. His public and internal support after the trade had already happened has nothing to do with that.

I agree that Russy is not a good fit for the team. Again, that has nothing to do with the deal already being done and Lebron making a conscious image-based decision to both publicly and internally support what had already happened.

-foe

 

[pmatic]

Ride this season out, trade three picks and use cap space for another max player with minimums.

 

[noblekane]

theres only one thing that has been holding this team back for the past 3 seasons

anthony davis

if anthony davis could stay healthy this team is a championship contender in every year hes been here

even with every other moves the lakers have made including westbrook

anthony davis is the reason we havent won anything since the bubble

you saw what this team looked like this season when we faced the top 3 eastern teams with him in the line up

beat the bucks and were 2 missed free throws from ad away from beating the 76ers and celtics.

and that was with westbrook and this non 3pt shooting team

this so called terrible team

its always been ad

lebron cant do it himself especially at 38

so even with the best supporting cast this team is going NOWHERE without ad

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

So if AD doesn't want to INVEST IN HIS BODY like Kobe did and LeBron does, then the question remains:

DOES JEANIE HAVE THE BALLS TO WALK IN PELINKA'S OFFICE AND SAY, "MAKE SOME CALLS AND FIELD OFFERS FOR DAVIS?"

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

As a GM, one has to be able to take calculated risks for the betterment of your franchise. One also has to have courage to make risky moves.

People forget, Magic in 1986 once convinced Dr. BUSS to call Dallas to try and trade Worthy for Mark Aguirre after the Rockets beat the Lakers in the WCF.

You know who had the balls to tell Buss NOT to trade Worthy? Jerry West. And so the story goes, West instead keeps Worthy and trades for Mychal Thompson to beef up the Lakers frontline to get the aging Kareem some much needed help (THINK AD here for a sec), and the rest is history and the Lakers go back 2 back in '87 and '88. And even though Aguirre still gets a ring with DET in '89, the Lakers still wind up with more chips by keeping Worthy and instead trading to acquire Mychal Thompson AND people forget in '86 West also drafted SF Billy Thompson, to give Worthy and the Lakers a competent backup NTM West also signed Orlando Woolridge in '89 to give LAL yet another scoring forward to augment Worthy.

Gotta have balls to make risky moves. Pelonka is still learning how to be a Shot Caller Boss Baller like the 2 Jerry's.

 

[MIKE LOWERY]

Season is comedy.

Starts 0-5

Doesn't even make sense to move anyone, let's figure out the lineups. Bench Westbrook. Ham will figure it out.

Wins 2 games, then loses another 5. Team is 2-10

Just wait till offseason. We can get Kyrie, or Kuzma or Draymond. Season is a wash.

Bron goes out, AD steps up, go on a mini run. Bron comes back. Team is 10-12

They've bought themselves some time with AD's play. Now we're ready to look into trades. Need some help on the margins. Shooters. Still want Reddish. Let's wait until Dec. 15th.

AD gets sick, they lose 3 straight, then they win 3 out of 4, but also lose multiple tight games to top teams in the league.

We just need some shooters. We'll keep scanning the trade market for a smaller trade. Talking to a bunch of team. Maybe Jan 15th. Won't trade Russ or picks unless getting a star.

AD gets hurt.........again. Christmas Day slaughter. Dallas 50 point quarter. 4 & 5 guard lineups.

Team is jokes.

 

[pdino]

Are any teams in the NBA running a smaller lineup?
PG: Schroder
SG: Bev
SF: Lonnie walker
PF: Bron
C: T. Bryant

Is there a history of running this small a lineup ever been successful ?

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

Are any teams in the NBA running a smaller lineup?
PG: Schroder
SG: Bev
SF: Lonnie walker
PF: Bron
C: T. Bryant

Is there a history of running this small a lineup ever been successful ?

None.

No Bigs = No Championships

This saying goes back 50 years and still relevant to this day.

 

[MIKE LOWERY]

Even Gordo taking shots.


or.............


He trying to get down?





Rozier/Gordo/Oubre still the best Russ trade.

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

theres only one thing that has been holding this team back for the past 3 seasons

anthony davis

if anthony davis could stay healthy this team is a championship contender in every year hes been here

even with every other moves the lakers have made including westbrook

anthony davis is the reason we havent won anything since the bubble

you saw what this team looked like this season when we faced the top 3 eastern teams with him in the line up

beat the bucks and were 2 missed free throws from ad away from beating the 76ers and celtics.

and that was with westbrook and this non 3pt shooting team

this so called terrible team

its always been ad

lebron cant do it himself especially at 38

so even with the best supporting cast this team is going NOWHERE without ad

Therefore, they need to have the balls and trade AD if they know AD can't stay healthy enough to lead this team as the #1 guy for the next 5 years.

Dr. Buss was ready to trade 31 year old Pau Gasol, one of the best two way bigs in the NBA at that time for prime CP3. Had it not been for David Stern who knows if Kobe doesn’t end up having 6 rings. What we do know is that Dr. BUSS was always as hungry to win titles and willing to go to great lengths, aka ALL IN, to win chips just as much as his star players were. Jerry would do what it took to WIN NOW when he had elite players on his roster.

Does Jeanie have the wherewithal and courage to do what her dad did in 2011 in an all out 100% attempt to make sure Kobe would win championships for years to come? Or will she rely on Pelinka to make that decision.

(Wo)Man up Jeanie.

 

[noblekane]

Are any teams in the NBA running a smaller lineup?
PG: Schroder
SG: Bev
SF: Lonnie walker
PF: Bron
C: T. Bryant

Is there a history of running this small a lineup ever been successful ?

the warriors just won a title running a small line up

not as small as the lakers but it was small

too bad troy brown is playing horrible now

 

[DLF]

the warriors just won a title running a small line up

not as small as the lakers but it was small

too bad troy brown is playing horrible now

Lol

Steph is greatest shooter of all time and 6’2. He’d be our SF

Klay Wiggins are 2 way and big for their positions.

Draymond is “small” on paper only.

Apples to oranges