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[pdino]

the warriors just won a title running a small line up

not as small as the lakers but it was small

too bad troy brown is playing horrible now

PG: Steph vs Schroder
SG: Klay vs Bev
SF: Wiggins vs Lonnie Walker
PF: Draymond vs Bron
C: Looney vs T. Bryant

I think they outsize at every position and got the shooting/defense to back up the small(er) size.

 

[pmatic]

Plus they had 6'9 Otto Porter Jr and GP2 who played a lot bigger than 6'4.

 

[DLF]

You guys listed the dubs rotation from last year and there is literally only 1 below average defenders in Jordan Poole. And at least he was a microwave scoer

The lakers, minus AD, are ALL below average defenders

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

the warriors just won a title running a small line up

not as small as the lakers but it was small

too bad troy brown is playing horrible now

You think any team can or has successfully emulated the Warriors? Lol

Nobody can do it so it's BEST for the Lakers to use the formula that got them a chip - defense, size, length, depth.

You even more delusional that DLF if you think a small lineup would work with Bron lol

Only reason a lineup with Dray, Looney, Bjelica, and Porter Jr worked is because of Steph-Klay-Poole aka The Splash Brothers.

Ain't no team on Earth could ever emulate how Steph and Klay operate in Kerr's system and think small ball will win them a chip LOL. The last 40 years including the last 5-10 years are more than enough evidence of what it takes to win titles in the NBA, and small ball definitely aint it. Go ask Mike D'Antoni and Don Nelson.

 

[darthska]

Are any teams in the NBA running a smaller lineup?
PG: Schroder
SG: Bev
SF: Lonnie walker
PF: Bron
C: T. Bryant

Is there a history of running this small a lineup ever been successful ?

-foe

 

[darthska]

As a GM, one has to be able to take calculated risks for the betterment of your franchise. One also has to have courage to make risky moves.

People forget, Magic in 1986 once convinced Dr. BUSS to call Dallas to try and trade Worthy for Mark Aguirre after the Rockets beat the Lakers in the WCF.

You know who had the balls to tell Buss NOT to trade Worthy? Jerry West. And so the story goes, West instead keeps Worthy and trades for Mychal Thompson to beef up the Lakers frontline to get the aging Kareem some much needed help (THINK AD here for a sec), and the rest is history and the Lakers go back 2 back in '87 and '88. And even though Aguirre still gets a ring with DET in '89, the Lakers still wind up with more chips by keeping Worthy and instead trading to acquire Mychal Thompson AND people forget in '86 West also drafted SF Billy Thompson, to give Worthy and the Lakers a competent backup NTM West also signed Orlando Woolridge in '89 to give LAL yet another scoring forward to augment Worthy.

Gotta have balls to make risky moves. Pelonka is still learning how to be a Shot Caller Boss Baller like the 2 Jerry's.

Actually, the more I think about it, being willing to take calculated risks and having courage is not our problem at all, my friend. Between Jeannie and Rob, there is plenty of willingness to take a risk and plenty of courage.

There's no basketball knowledge.

That story you said about Worthy and Aguirre, that's not just West having the courage to tell Buss to stay away from that trade. That's having the basketball knowledge to see Worthy's value.

We have courage. The decisions we make are unintelligent from a basketball sense. It takes courage to be 'willing' to blow up a championship team completely inside of 2 years. And of course their logic behind that, I'm sure, was something along the lines of 'You can't stay complacent. Gotta keep pushing forward.' They have the 'courage' it takes to be willing to move players that had just contributed to a championship for us. That's pretty bold, and basketball stupid.

Our FO is basketball stupid, not cowardly. They are brave & daft, a terrible combination.

-foe

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

Actually, the more I think about it, being willing to take calculated risks and having courage is not our problem at all, my friend. Between Jeannie and Rob, there is plenty of willingness to take a risk and plenty of courage.

There's no basketball knowledge.

That story you said about Worthy and Aguirre, that's not just West having the courage to tell Buss to stay away from that trade. That's having the basketball knowledge to see Worthy's value.

We have courage. The decisions we make are unintelligent from a basketball sense. It takes courage to be 'willing' to blow up a championship team completely inside of 2 years. And of course their logic behind that, I'm sure, was something along the lines of 'You can't stay complacent. Gotta keep pushing forward.' They have the 'courage' it takes to be willing to move players that had just contributed to a championship for us. That's pretty bold, and basketball stupid.

Our FO is basketball stupid, not cowardly. They are brave & daft, a terrible combination.

-foe

I get everything you're saying but if there were no basketball knowledge, they wouldn't have built a roster that won a chip.

It takes courage to take another risk and trade AD or Russ a year after they gave up all those picks and all that depth, knowing where they stand now. Instead Laker brass is falling victim to letting future decisions to win now be affected by past decisions when those past decisions shouldn't have anything to do with what they do today or tomorrow. Now this, my friend, also means having "business sense" not just basketball sense.

If past decisions were "unintelligent from a basketball sense," it still doesn't mean they can't make risky yet solid decisions that make basketball sense, considering there are people in the organization or consult the team who have tremendous amount of basketball wisdom, knowledge, and experience. And Yes, there are decisions/trades out there that make really good basketball sense. Like Myles and Buddy. Or any package from Charlotte. But Pelinka and Jeanie don't wanna give up them picks. For what? Then why even keep LeBron James?!?

Turner and Hield were both FRP's themselves. So it means they're worth a first rounder each. Period.

Pelinka and Jeanie never had the courage to pull that trigger, and I'm sure most fans wouldn't pull the trigger either.

But I would. That's just me though. Remember, Gobert and his sorry *** fetched a gazillion first rounders. To put things in perspective.

 

[noblekane]

PG: Steph vs Schroder
SG: Klay vs Bev
SF: Wiggins vs Lonnie Walker
PF: Draymond vs Bron
C: Looney vs T. Bryant

I think they outsize at every position and got the shooting/defense to back up the small(er) size.

bron taller than dray

bryant taller than looney

if the lakers switched out pat bev for troy brown it would be almost similar

but like you said the warriors have a huge advantage in the shooting area

there is not one shooter in our line up

 

[darthska]

But Pelinka and Jeanie don't wanna give up them picks.

Obviously we haven't heard from them, but I am positive that their logic is that they don't want to give those picks up right now for a season that's already a wash. Like even if we were to get Buddy & Turner, you think we're winning the championship this year?

-foe

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

darthska
The 13-20 record doesn't scare me. But a 100% healthy lineup with Reaves, Hield, Bron, AD, and Turner is a contender in the playoffs no matter what seed the Lakers are.

Just gotta make the postseason like the 6 seed Rockets that won it all in the 90s.

The main piont being,make moves to improve the team so we can WIN NOW. We'll deal with obtaining additional draft picks later, as long as the GM has the savvy and know-how to recover future picks in thr future.

Lakers have always been a "Win Now" organization when the team had stars.

 

[Lizakers]

 

[grittyman]

Here’s the East/West standings as of 12/26

For the record, I’m not defending Pelinka but just looking at this thing realistically. Let’s say the Lakers are in win/trade now mode, if you look at the standings what other teams need to get something done now? The best trade asset the Lakers can offer is cap relief in the form of expiring contracts, and draft picks 5/7 years down the road…so they have nothing of value to offer any of the playoff teams. And then most of the teams at the bottom of each conference are already losing lots of games already so I don’t think they need to do anything at the moment either.

If I’m an opposing GM I’m only going to do a trade with the Lakers now if I think the offers get worse at the deadline…which is very possible if they keep losing games. I’m mostly thinking about shedding salary and/or getting something for a potential UFA that I don’t think will re-sign with their current team.

 

[MVP]

Either we have different definitions of support, or you're placing his support at a different area of the timeline that I am placing it.

I picture his support as the deal had already happened and so he both publicly and internally supported that it was done.

I think you're placing his support as if he were part of the board meeting before the trade had happened.

I don't think his support was pre-trade. I It had already happened, so at that point, what's he supposed to do? Cry about it?

I agree that we shouldn't have broken up the championship team. His public and internal support after the trade had already happened has nothing to do with that.

I agree that Russy is not a good fit for the team. Again, that has nothing to do with the deal already being done and Lebron making a conscious image-based decision to both publicly and internally support what had already happened.

-foe

Why do you believe the bolded is true when everybody and their mama reported otherwise?

And it's just funny seeing your stance on LBJ juxtaposed to an actual Laker legend you blamed for everything.

Bron's hands been all over this team since the day he signed in 2018.

 

[grittyman]

Why do you believe the bolded is true when everybody and their mama reported otherwise?

And it's just funny seeing your stance on LBJ juxtaposed to an actual Laker legend you blamed for everything.

Bron's hands been all over this team since the day he signed in 2018.

Seems like there’s a far greater list of things Lebron pushed for that didn’t happen opposed to what actually did…

 

[grittyman]

Funny just going through my phone looking at old pics and saw this screenshot…

Simpler times…

 

[grittyman]

If you guys go to Spotrac.com you can pull up all transactions back as far as 1985…. Here’s a screenshot from last season.

There was a trade made in what preseason, and then no action until Jan… and I went back and looked at a few years before Covid, there were no Nov/Dec deals getting done. Mid Jan and Feb was pretty much the standard. Media guys will sell this narrative of these self imposed deadlines that are just flat out wrong.

 

[pmatic]

Then the org needs to stop leaking these self-imposed deadlines to Jovan, Woj and Shams.

 

[MVP]

Seems like there’s a far greater list of things Lebron pushed for that didn’t happen opposed to what actually did…

Like what? That was of real consequence?

He got AD (which worked to the tune of a title one season, but his injury history is what it was before and it's continued here).

He got Russ (which by every account and report HE spearheaded).

He's continued to get Klutch client after Klutch client on the squad almost running it as a subsidiary.

He got to play with his boy Melo.

They didn't resign Caruso so he didn't get that.

Now they're not compounding their acquiescence to him by making a stupid trade to save an unsalvageable season.

Nobody put a gun to his head to have him sign an extension either. He chose that, he had an out after this year and threw it away.

Something, something about beds and lying in them.

 

[grittyman]

Like what? That was of real consequence?

He got AD (which worked to the tune of a title one season, but his injury history is what it was before and it's continued here).

He got Russ (which by every account and report HE spearheaded).

He's continued to get Klutch client after Klutch client on the squad almost running it as a subsidiary.

He got to play with his boy Melo.

They didn't resign Caruso so he didn't get that.

Now they're not compounding their acquiescence to him by making a stupid trade to save an unsalvageable season.

Nobody put a gun to his head to have him sign an extension either. He chose that, he had an out after this year and threw it away.

Something, something about beds and lying in them.

Well let’s see…
There was the entire Kawhi situation, we know he wanted guys coach Lue, Dudley, Caruso, and probably DeRozan.

As far as Klutch clients? I seriously doubt he’s going to them pushing for guys like Kendrick Nunn, Troy Brown and the like. Probably more like Pelinka doesn’t have a great reputation around the league and has to lean on the relationship that he does have with Klutch… and/or there’s not a lot of free agents who are lining up to sign w/ oft injured Lebron and AD.

But yeah Lebron wanted to continue to be a Laker, which is fine. I’m not really expecting some type of great ending to his career… that’s kinda how these things usually go

 

[pmatic]

 

[grittyman]

Then the org needs to stop leaking these self-imposed deadlines to Jovan, Woj and Shams.

I think they have to sell hope to the fanbase

Imagine the outrage if they said no matter how this team performs we aren’t going to do anything until around the trade deadline. Some people might stage protests every week

 

[SORIANOTRON]

 

[Hijo Del Promo]

That team was good, must have been on Lebrons Magic Stuff.

 

[Lizakers]

Merry Christmas geno90221

 

[drewsone]

jeanie buss
linda rambis
kurt rambis
tim harris
phil jackson