**LA LAKERS THREAD** Sitting on 17! 2023-2024 offseason begins

Man, Tayshaun Prince, Trevor Ariza, Stephen Jackson, Matt Barnes... the hell happened to these types? Shane Battier, Artest probably being the best of all'um...

Where did this prototype go? 😂👀
Throw Slick Rick Fox, Bruce Bowen, Sean Elliott, Raja Bell, Gerald Wallace, James Posey, Doug Christie, Eddie Jones, Prime Aaron McKie, Shawn Marion, Josh Smith, Stacey Augmon on that list as well
 
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IYKYK
 
If the Suns are looking to shed salary and punt the season would you all be willing to do a CP3/Crowder for Russ swap?
 
Seems like the Suns can't do anything because of the ownership situation.

Trade deadline should be interesting but knowing us we are waiting on the buyout market...
 
If the Suns are looking to shed salary and punt the season would you all be willing to do a CP3/Crowder for Russ swap?
We're already in a position where we're not going to win a championship as currently constructed. Why would we bring someone aboard with a historied reputation of having dynamic teams that fall short of a championship? Checkers, not chess.
 
I was just looking at team salary across the league and who might be looking to salary dump and sheesh…
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6 players under contract next season w/ Cam Johnson’s RFA coming up and the rest of the roster looking like trash 😂
 
We're already in a position where we're not going to win a championship as currently constructed. Why would we ring someone aboard with a historied reputation of having dynamic teams that fall short of a championship? Checkers, not chess.
I think the CP3 choke history is a bit overrated, but for what it’s worth in general I think it’s super difficult (almost impossible) to win a title with your best/second best player being 6 feet tall so I can’t really count that against him.

Hypothetically CP3 could play a similar role as RW on this team (leading second unit) but you could also start him and also play him in crunch time minutes unlike Russ.
 
CP3 only has about half of next year's salary guaranteed and $0 in 2024.

He'll be 38 in May. He's slowing down and having his worst year in recent memory. He's also hurt more often.

Won't happen anyway. But if presented the opportunity, I'd do it. His shooting alone makes him better than Russ. The defense (which has fallen off) is still better. Not to mention the decision making. Not sure how it would work, but he's 40% from 3. They'll figure it out.

Crowder sucks tho. He's got by on reputation for a long time. Torrey Craig is better. Don't want him, but if there's a trade, he's definitely in it. Funny he'd be playing with Bron again after all the **** in CLE. Would try to work in a third team ideally.

I'd rather Stanley Johnson back. Stanley got Markieff up out the club last night. Mean bear hug. :lol:
 
I refrained from using the word choke on purpose. I simply said that he has a history reputation of leading dynamic teams that fail to win a championship. Labels aside, that's the pattern.
Now I’m looking like a CP3 apologist 😂

So look, sure I won’t argue that CP3 lead some great regular season teams that failed to win a championship. But in this scenario he wouldn’t be asked to lead the Lakers at all so past history doesn’t matter IMO. I’m sure I mentioned it but I would just slot him into the RW role but would play him in the closing lineup.

Just frame it this way… would you rather have CP3/Crowder or Russ? I doubt PHX would do a deal with LA anyway but they hate us 😂
 
Let’s go get Tyson Chandler and Ariza Laker family, former Chris Paul teammates

Then Dwyane Wade and Melo banana boat crew
 



Los Angeles Lakers

Trade meter: 8

What to watch: Rob Pelinka

The Lakers' general manager was asked in the offseason about the heightened urgency to surround LeBron James with a roster that can compete for a championship.

"Let me be abundantly clear," Pelinka said. "We have one of the greatest players in LeBron James to ever play the game on our team. He committed to us with a long-term contract, a three-year contract. So of course we will do everything we can, picks included, to make deals that give us a chance to help LeBron get to the end. He committed to our organization. That's got to be a bilateral commitment, and it's there."

Four months into the season, the Lakers are contending just to compete in the play-in tournament. Their lone regular-season transactions have been waiving Matt Ryan to create roster and financial flexibility and signing Sterling Brown to a 10-day contract.

The Lakers -- like the league's other 29 teams -- have been playing the waiting game to see which teams might eventually tear down their rosters and make players available in trades.

But what happens if the Lakers get to the trade deadline and there isn't an All-Star-caliber player available? Would they make a smaller move that strengthens this season's roster at the cost of additional salary, future cap flexibility and one (or both) of their available first-round picks?

For example, a hypothetical trade to acquire Kyle Kuzma from Washington for a 2027 first-round pick would help the roster now, but the Lakers could also wait until July -- when he becomes a free agent -- to sign him outright without sacrificing that pick.

Would the Lakers pass on the chance of improving the roster now and wait until the offseason with the hope of landing that third All-Star?

The free-agent class could include the names of James Harden, Kyrie Irving, Fred VanVleet, Draymond Green and Khris Middleton.

The trade market is less appealing when you consider that the Lakers project to have $35 million in cap space, not enough to acquire a player like Zach LaVine or Bradley Beal if they were to become available in a trade. They could orchestrate a sign-and-trade with Russell Westbrook, but that would require a team to commit substantial money in the first year to the point guard.

The offseason is six months from now, and Pelinka has an obligation to look out for the best interest of the Lakers organization both now and the future. But remember what James told ESPN's Dave McMenamin in late December.

"I know it takes steps to get there, but once you get there and know how to get there, playing basketball at this level just to be playing basketball is not in my DNA," he said. "It's not in my DNA anymore. ... We'll see what happens and see how fresh my mind stays over the next couple years"

Front-office deadline history: In his four years of running the Lakers' front office, Rob Pelinka has made one regular-season trade.

Last regular-season trade: Traded Rajon Rondo to Cleveland and $1.1 million cash to the Knicks in January 2022. The trade lowered the Lakers' tax bill by $5.5 million.

Trade we would like to see: Two different trades. Patrick Beverley and Chicago's 2023 second-round pick to the Spurs for Josh Richardson. Also, Kendrick Nunn and a 2027 first-round pick (top-seven protected) to New York for Immanuel Quickley and Svi Mykhailiuk. If the first-round pick isn't conveyed, New York would receive second-round picks in 2027, 2028 and 2029.

Trade exceptions: None
Cash available: $6.4 million (to send and receive)
Salary info and restrictions:
▪Los Angeles has an open roster spot.
▪The Lakers are $18.6 million over the luxury tax and are projected to pay a $40.6 million penalty.
▪LeBron James cannot be traded.
▪The Lakers would owe Anthony Davis 15% of his remaining salary (not including the player option) in a bonus if he is traded.

Draft assets:
▪The Pelicans have the right to swap firsts in 2023.
▪The Lakers owe an unprotected first-round pick to the Pelicans in 2024. New Orleans can choose to defer the pick to 2025.
▪The Lakers are limited to trading at most two first-round picks.
▪The Lakers have seven second-round picks available to trade.
Some trades he cooked up for other teams involving the Lakers:
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Meh. You could do alot worse than CP3/Crowder/Shamet for Russ. 🤷‍♂️




Los Angeles Lakers

Trade meter: 8

What to watch: Rob Pelinka

The Lakers' general manager was asked in the offseason about the heightened urgency to surround LeBron James with a roster that can compete for a championship.

"Let me be abundantly clear," Pelinka said. "We have one of the greatest players in LeBron James to ever play the game on our team. He committed to us with a long-term contract, a three-year contract. So of course we will do everything we can, picks included, to make deals that give us a chance to help LeBron get to the end. He committed to our organization. That's got to be a bilateral commitment, and it's there."

Four months into the season, the Lakers are contending just to compete in the play-in tournament. Their lone regular-season transactions have been waiving Matt Ryan to create roster and financial flexibility and signing Sterling Brown to a 10-day contract.

The Lakers -- like the league's other 29 teams -- have been playing the waiting game to see which teams might eventually tear down their rosters and make players available in trades.

But what happens if the Lakers get to the trade deadline and there isn't an All-Star-caliber player available? Would they make a smaller move that strengthens this season's roster at the cost of additional salary, future cap flexibility and one (or both) of their available first-round picks?

For example, a hypothetical trade to acquire Kyle Kuzma from Washington for a 2027 first-round pick would help the roster now, but the Lakers could also wait until July -- when he becomes a free agent -- to sign him outright without sacrificing that pick.

Would the Lakers pass on the chance of improving the roster now and wait until the offseason with the hope of landing that third All-Star?

The free-agent class could include the names of James Harden, Kyrie Irving, Fred VanVleet, Draymond Green and Khris Middleton.

The trade market is less appealing when you consider that the Lakers project to have $35 million in cap space, not enough to acquire a player like Zach LaVine or Bradley Beal if they were to become available in a trade. They could orchestrate a sign-and-trade with Russell Westbrook, but that would require a team to commit substantial money in the first year to the point guard.

The offseason is six months from now, and Pelinka has an obligation to look out for the best interest of the Lakers organization both now and the future. But remember what James told ESPN's Dave McMenamin in late December.

"I know it takes steps to get there, but once you get there and know how to get there, playing basketball at this level just to be playing basketball is not in my DNA," he said. "It's not in my DNA anymore. ... We'll see what happens and see how fresh my mind stays over the next couple years"

Front-office deadline history: In his four years of running the Lakers' front office, Rob Pelinka has made one regular-season trade.

Last regular-season trade: Traded Rajon Rondo to Cleveland and $1.1 million cash to the Knicks in January 2022. The trade lowered the Lakers' tax bill by $5.5 million.

Trade we would like to see: Two different trades. Patrick Beverley and Chicago's 2023 second-round pick to the Spurs for Josh Richardson. Also, Kendrick Nunn and a 2027 first-round pick (top-seven protected) to New York for Immanuel Quickley and Svi Mykhailiuk. If the first-round pick isn't conveyed, New York would receive second-round picks in 2027, 2028 and 2029.

Trade exceptions: None
Cash available: $6.4 million (to send and receive)
Salary info and restrictions:
▪Los Angeles has an open roster spot.
▪The Lakers are $18.6 million over the luxury tax and are projected to pay a $40.6 million penalty.
▪LeBron James cannot be traded.
▪The Lakers would owe Anthony Davis 15% of his remaining salary (not including the player option) in a bonus if he is traded.

Draft assets:
▪The Pelicans have the right to swap firsts in 2023.
▪The Lakers owe an unprotected first-round pick to the Pelicans in 2024. New Orleans can choose to defer the pick to 2025.
▪The Lakers are limited to trading at most two first-round picks.
▪The Lakers have seven second-round picks available to trade.
Some trades he cooked up for other teams involving the Lakers:
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Kuz for only protected 1st Pat Bev/Christie? Seems light, but sign me up.
 
Meh. You could do alot worse than CP3/Crowder/Shamet for Russ. 🤷‍♂️



Kuz for only protected 1st Pat Bev/Christie? Seems light, but sign me up.
Christie is a late first round talent so it’s two first rounders, Pat bev for an expiring kuzma - who will want 25-30 mill this summer or he walks. It’s hardly a home run alone

Add Russ and a 2029 unprotected for 2-3 good players in a separate deal and we are cooking with fire
 
Don’t wanna give up Christie, Wenyen or Austin

Bev and Nunn can go expeditiously
If we all agree that this is a seller’s market then the Lakers are going to have to make competitive offers. The future picks are cool and all but if I’m a GM of another team that’s giving up a good/decent player then I want something for right now too.
 
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